DA Confusion for the 15th of July 2022

Have your confusions sorted out for this week’s glorious DA.

61 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 15th of July 2022

  1. FOI 17D/29A.
    LOI 16A (though should have got a lot earlier as have seen similar before).
    Like 9A, 16A, 2D, 3D and 14D.
    Do not fully get 26A.
    And even though I get and can construct 22A, cannot find reference to what I believe is the defn.

  2. FOI 15a, 1a
    I think 17a is an anagram but can’t work out the letters…

  3. melanie – 17D/29A – is only part anagram (and a bit tricky at that).

  4. I too don’t get 26A.

    I also had trouble connecting the def in 22A but Mr Google found some scientific papers from the 60s supporting it! Looks like it’s an alternate name; details later if folks are interested.

    FOI 1A, 6A. LOI 18A, 18D.

  5. All done but uncertain about LOI 18A.
    Slowed up by wrong answer for 6A, twice!

  6. My take on 26a …

    Anagram of “close to translation”, “time” and “period in the middle” (two letters). Definition is last five words. Does this make it an &lit?

  7. My first in was 15d. Other easy ones 21d & 1a. Haven’t finished yet. Time for a walk on the beach while my subconscious works on the rest.

  8. All done, although I’m still scratching my head over a few. My favourite this week was 2d. Can’t fully parse 17d/29a nor 18d/8d. If I have 22a correct, I don’t understand it. And not fully clear on 3d.

    Another easy starter is 14d.

  9. Graham M – thanks for 26A. Complicated but is what it is I guess.
    17D/29A – anagram for D and “mates dance” for A.
    18D/8D – as a start think cricket.
    22A – see AndewT above.
    3D – yeah quite clever reckon. “Swell” = 1,2,3 and “element topped” = 4,5,6,7,8.
    Hope helps.

  10. Graham M – 3d
    A three letter word for swell followed by a six letter gaseous element (topped) gives another element

  11. All done in just about record time for me.

    Graham M, if it’s the parsing of 22A that exercises you, ignore the hyphen and read as three two-word pairs.

  12. Thanks all. I just discovered (thank you Zinzan) that 29a relies on Cockney rhyming slang, so a big groan from me. (I’m working hard to get over my antipathy — I discovered recently that I’ve been using rhyming slang unwittingly forever, whenever I mention blowing a raspberry.)

    That mousy marsupial is hard, if not impossible, to find on the web. (I do know the trail.) Perhaps someone should add an entry to Wikipedia?

  13. Is 26A an example of the lesser-spotted Semi&-lit?
    Here’s a Semi&-lit: ‘Slow-moving mice may get snapped up by them’ (4) OWLS.
    The entire clue “Slow-moving mice may get snapped up by them” defines OWLS, but only “Slow-moving” (i.e. anagram of SLOW) is the wordplay.
    But, with 26A the whole clue is the wordplay but only the second half is the definition.
    Unusual, to say the least. I wouldn’t go so far as to say not on, because it ‘feels’ right and gettable.

  14. First stab 15d,17d/29a,21d,23d.
    LOI 9a
    Favourite 16a
    The usual rubbish definition in 21d

  15. Having visited 21d (and I always create books of my travels), I was puzzled as to whether its first letter is required, optional or plain wrong. My research led me toward the latter. It appears with first letter frequently in the “missing letters” puzzle in the Herald.

  16. I understand that the first letter is used in the anglicised version of the name. In Portuguese, the first letter is the definite article. It’s a bit like saying is it Le Havre in France or just Havre.

  17. Surely 2D is a pure &lit, but 26A is not so pure. My first instinct was to read “cryptically close’ as ‘inter’ (put into a crypt).

  18. I expect to kick myself after answers to my question. Anyhow, what is the parsing of 10A, please? I reckon I have letters 1-3 but the rest is a mystery to me.

  19. Mike, 4-7 is a short version of a longer word for a suitcase. The longer word ends in manteau.

  20. 26A DEFINITELY needs more discussion. Graham (your 10:31 am yesterday): Anagram? What anagram? And, wider Tripper cohort, &lit? What &lit?

  21. @johnno2. There is only one odd aspect of 26A. Half of it is wordplay. The other half is also wordplay but at the same time definition. That’s the reversal of how &Semi-lits usually work (see my example above). I don’t see how the first half can be part of the definition, which would make it a normal &lit. Maybe someone can.

    The anagrind is the first word. The anagrist is a) close to translation (1 letter); b) time; c) period in the middle (2 letters).

  22. Thanks, Ian. With the anagram lead I lapsed into looking for whole words for the anagrist – on balance, not DA’s style, silly me.
    As to its &lit-ness, if you give ‘close’ its ‘nearness’ sense, (thus doing double duty, though, and that’s another argument…) it comes close(!) But then it would be closer(!) to ‘actually’ than ‘cryptically’? But then, maybe ‘cryptically’ is giving ‘close’ TRIPLE duty, ‘closing’ the argument that the second half IS a translation of the answer. Either way, ‘cryptically’ indicates the multiple duties of ‘close’?
    Mops brow…

  23. I started to read this, johnno2, but my head started to spin.

    Nice to have you back after your few weeks’ absence. We were about to send out a search party.

    I wonder where Gayle is this week?

  24. Re 10A, thanks Tim C. I’m not kicking myself this time, rather gently fuming at DA’s choice of an obscure synonym.

  25. I’m b a a ck, thanks for asking Graham M.
    I was away having my head read for work purposes. 3 hours of cognitive tests. While it would be expected that I’d score highly on the verbal stuff, what blew the doctors away was how highly I scored, across all age ranges, on memory of complex tasks including mental arithmetic etc, timed, and reciting backwards 8 digit series! (maths has never been my strong suit).

    Anyway, I’m reporting in here, not to brag, but to encourage Trippers to pat yourselves on the back for your cryptic crosswording hobby, as the doctor commended me for. I’m a couple of months shy of 70, but shy no more!

    As for the crossword, bought the paper and did it in a google free zone. Needed Trippers help for the mousy marsupial.

    Tim C, Letters 4-7 of 10A is the usual word for ‘case’ as spoken by Queenslanders. I had to change some of my vocabulary when I moved to NSW as a young’un, so much so that I didn’t even spot/remember that (but don’t tell the doctors :-) )

    Ironically 19 favourite. 15 and 17/29 made me laugh.

  26. And Mike @9.52. Sorry been away without refreshing. Who are you calling ‘obscure’? :-)
    I take it you’re not from Queensland? It’s surprising how many regional variations there are across Australia for some very common words ‘Togs’ is another Queensland word for what Southerners might call swimmers.

  27. Gayle, in Victoria we also have ‘togs’. This week’s answers I’d never heard of were 22 & 27A and 23D.

  28. Happy to have got it (with one silly miss).
    Could we have a catch up for fairly recent DA Trippers please…
    What is an anagrind?
    What is an &lit?
    Tricky end to 27a clue, I like it now I have decoded it.

  29. “Anagrind” is a portmanteau of “anagram indicator”.

    I’ll let someone else define &lit, as I like to stay out of arguments.

  30. From a web search:

    &lit is an unusual clue type in which the definition and the wordplay are the same. &lit stands for “and literally so”. The wordplay is of any regular type in an &lit clue – say, container or anagram; the specialty is that the entire clue is its definition.

  31. Aaahhhhhh….I had 1d spelt incorrectly!!!
    No wonder nw corner took so long!

  32. As Jack pointed out yesterday, 2d in this week’s DA is an &lit. (And, as I mentioned yesterday, ’twas my favourite clue — very clever.)

  33. Interesting David Stickley @2.29 &lit from a compiler’s perspective, and a great example.
    I’d like to give a shout out to The Stickler. With such great cluing, you introduced me to the workings and the pleasure of cryptics.

  34. Graham, you missed a great opportunity in writing ‘portmanteau’ fully (1:34), noting the interstate naming wars herein :-)
    On the anasubject, Phil; to expand, I’ve thought that anagram, in looking like anagrain, leads to anagrind and the anagrist (‘for the mill’, as the saying goes) to be ground, being the required letters clumped, scattered, even hidden, in the clue.
    And re &lits, didn’t DA use an interrobang with these once upon a time? I note Stickler’s comments about punctuation. I ask, have interrobangs have gone ‘bang’?!

  35. johnno2 re interrobang. Is that a rhetorical question‽
    It seems a fairly recent invention, and gone again with keyboards that would crash if you attempted it.

  36. Well johnno2, DA certainly used an exclamation mark (and indeed an interrobang) to indicate the &lit in 2 down this week.
    There was a bit of a discussion on the other thread for 24 June about whether the clue “It’s nothing to him to reach pivotal final!” (answer Nadal) was an &lit. The exclamation mark there indicates it was.

  37. Haha, Gayle! Perhaps, as might yours be? And welcome back, with your positivity for us in our common pursuit.
    Tim, he did indeed use the ‘?’ and ‘!’ in 2D [which also seems to settle that he did NOT intend the ‘?’-only 26A to be an &lit :-)] But an interrobang is the single-symbol combination of the two. Perhaps his keyboard has crashed, as Gayle has suggested the critter could cause? (I’ve still got it in mine, and even get to use it!)

  38. Indeed…. no ! in 26a (and no ‽ either) but a ?! in 2d which is close enough to a ‽

  39. So, Tim, you can do one – and so can I [ She might suffer from bad heat burns‽ (9) ] so why couldn’t DA? :-)

  40. johnno2. Brilliant! Resonates with me as a Queenslander who had to be taken to hospital for doing just that, not by design, but floating in a tyre, before my parents or anyone knew what was happening.

  41. Gayle, wow! And ouch! I remember bubbled shoulders on a few occasions, but hospital!
    And Tim, I confess to having to be very circuitous to get mine on here ;-)

  42. I doubt that Mr Astle would use a ‽, as that would let us know that the clue was &lit. It’s up to us to work that out for ourselves. Use of ?! is a little more ambiguous.

  43. For those who do DA’s non-cryptic, you may notice a bit of a theme in this week’s.

  44. After getting 1A in two seconds, I stalled for ages and was even comtemplating binning it this week. Finally the brain engines revved again, but can anyone explain 18D’s ‘quickie’?

  45. roostertail
    in American English
    a full spray or cloud, as of water in the wake of a speeding boat or dust from a speeding car
    : also written rooster tail
    Webster’s New World College Dictionary, 4th Edition. Copyright © 2010 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.
    I guess this plume resembles the tail of a rooster

  46. Carol, it is the surname of a cricket fast bowler (commonly called quickies) from West Indies

  47. I read your question as 18D in the quick crossword. Sorry, Carol! Apologies also to the great Michael Holding.

  48. Re 26A, it seems we had a different take on the word play to everyone else? Cryptically close gives INTER, but then we thought the time period was 1 minute (IM), and the whole clue referred to In the Middle.

  49. Thank you everyone. Cricketing clues are always my bete noir.

    Jack: Snarf! I never even thought of that interpretation when I posted. :)

  50. Carol, I was reading through the entire thread wondering why no-one had asked about 18D. I could parse the second word, but could not see for the life of me how ‘noted quickie’ gave the first. I had no idea that quickie was slang for a fast bowler, and would have had to google the guy if I did. Am away in FNQ at the moment so have not even started the DA of 22/ 7.

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