DA Confusion for the 17th of June, 2022

Have your confusions sorted out for this week’s DA.

46 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 17th of June, 2022

  1. OK – I have all out and I think all understood.
    Been mulling over a couple of wordplays – but am pretty sure I understand.
    FOI was 10A/21A.
    Then was a bit all over the place.
    Finally finished in SW corner, with LOI 25D.
    Did not know 24A – and should have.
    And do not think I have any favourite clue today.

  2. Yes, I had to look up 24A, but in retrospect should have been able to work it out. 6D and 25D took me WAY longer than they should have.

    FOI 1D, 10A/21D. LOI 15A, 7D. Other good starters might be 27A, 18D, 9D, 23A.

  3. Brond:
    13D – construct is 1,2,7,8 – which is a 5LW swapping middle letter for 2,3,4,5. (defn = last word – read differently).
    25D – construct is 1,2 and then 3 as I read. (defn = last word).

  4. Brond, I cheated on 16D, LOI and to solve. Apart from the substitution, which DAJ has given, the definition is also cryptic.

    25D letter 3 is British English abbreviation, often used in cryptic crosswords because it’s a handy way to clue that letter, but probably not used much any more in conversation. The answer is French and it is a small thing, but not necessarily anything to do with any of the usual meanings of trifle.

    I think DA was being too clever by half in these 2 and a few more besides today.

    (I’ll probably get into trouble from johnno2 later in the weekend for my grumbles. )

  5. Had a good chuckle at today’s stock exchange (my favourite clue). An rewarding pursuit today, the right difficulty level, with nothing that I really got stuck on. 26a is the only one I can’t parse. I thought the definition in 12a was rather loose. Also the bargain in 13a. I sort of get the parsing in 24a, but I’m not completely happy with it. I’ve grown familiar with the use of “posh” in British crosswords, and must accept it, but it usually elicits a groan. Couldn’t for the life of me find the volcanic material in 27a until I realised that one of my ‘C’s should have been an ‘I’.

    A very easy starter (almost worthy of a midweek “cryptic”) is 19a.

  6. GrahamM, 26A a different meaning for ‘suss’? as a verb.
    I had an entirely different volcanic material and didn’t get 27A until I had all the crossers.
    I had trouble parsing the last 4 letters.

  7. Gayle, I was on that track, but it still didn’t make sense. But I’ve just discovered after some research that all this time, and despite having travelled widely, I’ve been mispronouncing the word. So much to learn, so little time.

    I’m celebrating today, as I think it’s the first time I’ve ever spelt 23a correctly without looking it up. 😊

  8. Gayle and Graham M – re 26A and 27A – yes need to get just right.
    26A – as Gayle says – “suss” as a verb to figure out.
    27A – “cruel” is a bit tricky for last 4 letters – but works.

  9. Graham M, Yeah, but how many of the crossers did you have for 23A before you wrote it in? :-)
    It’s a spelling that I often hesitate over, and brings to mind some puns at the expense of the Welsh.
    I don’t think that DA’s clue will stick in my mind long enough to be a mnemonic, although that’s one I liked today.

  10. 15A – I can’t resist recalling from my misspent youth :

    Sweet Fanny Adams all —————— and gay,
    Carved her name in a tree one day.
    But a woodpecker came and pecked away,
    Till all that was left was Sweet F- A-.

  11. First 2 in were 10a/21d and 7d. LOI 15a.
    Agree Gayle, that some were too clever by half (eg 16d definition), but that’s fairly typical.
    No particular favourite, although like Graham M I did like the stock exchange.

  12. The last 4 letters of 27A (when reversed) form a word that many people get wrong as in ‘one —- swoop.’ It is also a word used by Hamlet in his death speech, i.e. ‘…this —- sergeant, Death, is strict in his arrest…’

    Good to see Captain Grumpy get a mention today.

  13. Jack, that word with that meaning will be unfamiliar to most I would say. I know I had to check in the dictionary where there are no less than 6 different meanings for that word.

  14. Haven’t started yet
    Luckily I have lots of helpful foi s…….
    Husband just admitted to hosp….quite stressful
    Need a DA to put the world to rights

  15. melanie – so sorry to hear – all the best to u and hubby.
    Me (the cause) and mine (the supporters) have been going thru similar for last lot-of-months.
    Doing DA via Trippers has helped me.

  16. Captain Grumpy aka AB aka 22A Border, predecessor Kim Hughes, successor Mark Taylor

  17. Ah! Curse those hidden capitals. Of course. Didn’t know he had that nickname.

  18. Thanks for the hints about 22A. I knew but had forgotten his nickname.
    Am I being harsh to suggest a bit more anti-Victorian bias? 9D is a Vic town but 11A is a coastal town.

  19. All done and enjoying the correspondence above; thanks, I needed 16d explained. Still can’t quite get 23a parsed to my liking. One version leaves me with last two letters dangling and ‘hectic’ unused but I may be doing it wrongly.

  20. Phil, it’s an anagram of race + h (had first) + radio, omitting the letter ‘c’ (hectic finish)

  21. Lots to chat about this week, but I’ll get a quick Haha! away to you, Gayle, for your 9:51am yesterday. Although my beef(thanks again, Graham)/vegetarian banter actually arose because I think it’s ME who grumbles too much! :-)

  22. Preparing myself for a ‘D’oh!’, parsing for 13A, please?
    (…and, spookily, and far from the first time, DA and I have had matching answers in our contemporaneous crosswords: my clue for DA’s 13A answer, in my 14 June South Gippsland Sentinel Times puzzle, was, ‘Calling, of some personal intent, in church division (5)’)

  23. Nice clue johnno2. DA’s version is great at 1,2 and a 4 letter ‘bargain’ without ‘a’ at 3-5.

  24. And so to the meat tray…
    I agree with you, Graham, on 12A (and also congrats on your no-look ‘trots’ spell!), and with you, Geoff, on the towns. Though DA does usually specify ‘jurisdiction’. So, a slip?
    Re 22A, aren’t ‘Border’ and the ‘?’ too far apart to avoid the need for a ‘for example’, or similar, after ‘Border’?
    Re 25D, I’m familiar with the phrase ‘non-#’ (# being the letter clued) meaning ‘not posh’. I don’t think ‘#’ stands on its own for ‘posh’; rather, it and ‘posh’ are interchangeable in ‘non-#’
    And re 25D’s answer, wiktionary (at least) has, as a ‘dated’ definition, ‘A thing of the smallest value; a whit; a jot’.

  25. And thanks for your wiktionary reference to 25D. I concede that one to DA.

    As for U and non-U I think it’s late enough to name it, and post this wiki link, which I found interesting from a linguistic and socio-linguistic point of view.

  26. And once more before I leave you all alone (sorry; time on my hands in lockdown…)
    After last week’s Latin deep-dive, for 7D I had 1,2,3,4/6,5,7, (pig?)Latin for ‘is nothing’. I hate (though admire!) those situations where 2 answers fit the clueing!
    (p.s. Thoughts to the health-troubled herein. It’s a wake-up to real lives going on behind our detached – though very enjoyable! – Tripping)

  27. Thanks Tim. Yep, ‘D’oh!’
    Thanks, Gayle. So ‘U’ DID stand on its own when it was coined (sou-ed?) And I see it and I are the same age!

  28. Late in the day I know
    Thanks for the banter everyone

    Any hints for 2d 4d, 8d, 12a, 14a would be appreciated

  29. I agree johnno about 22a. The ? at the end to indicate a “definition by example” is a long way away. You could put maybe or possibly at the start and still have the capitalisation of Border (I don’t know why “collie” doesn’t have a capital in that clue).
    25d is in Chambers 2014 as “a tiny amount of money” and trifle as “anything of little importance; a small amount…” which is probably close enough. It also has the abbreviation U as the opposite of non-U.
    There’s a difference of opinion about clues like 7d where there are 2 equally valid possible answers. Some say confirming which one is correct by using the crossers is OK as it is a crossword after all, whereas others say the definition and wordplay should be stand alone and shouldn’t admit ambiguity. I tend to favour the latter view.

  30. 2d is a cryptic definition melanie. Think of what china may be used in divination.
    “consider” is 2-5 in 4d
    8d, co-ed is 1-5, canteen is 6-9 and times is the rest
    12a joke is 2-5, blokes is 6-8, faceless jet is 1,9
    14a scab shortly is 3-5 and factories is 1,2,6,7,8

  31. Thanks, Tim. Me, dare I say it on the issue raised by 7D; I hold both of the ‘2 equally valid possible’ positions you enunciate [aka, wishy-washy j2 ;-)]
    With my 1,2,3,4/6,5,7 I still had one possible word for 12A, meaning a mountain ridge, which seemed bashable into a definition that had ‘row’ in the form under DA’s misdirection cloak.

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