DA Confusion for the 8th of October, 2021

Have your confusions sorted out for this week’s DA — do it!

84 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 8th of October, 2021

  1. Done. Started NE corner and the worked around clockwise.
    FOI 5D, 10A/6D etc.
    LOI 1A, 3D.
    Thought 8D very clever.
    Thought 1A pretty messy.
    Still to get wordplay for 28A.

  2. DAJunkie,
    The two I had difficulty in sorting out the word play were 26a and 3d.

  3. Yes – 3D was the second last for me to understand. Quite tricky.
    26A – took a bit but got it fairly quickly.

  4. Nothing too exciting today, I thought. Still confused by the wordplay of 3d, though (and 1a & 28a took a while to reverse-engineer the wordplay for too).

    FOI: 9a, 1d, 10a/6d
    LOI: 18d, 23a

  5. DAJunkie,
    I think it might be a tad early for that explicit a clue.

  6. Steady progress today, no real hiccups or breakthroughs, but unfamiliar with the term 12D. Still working on wordplay for 23A.

    FOI 10A/6D, 17A. LOI 1D, 11A. More good starters might be 27D, 21D, 18D, 20A,5D.

  7. My, some of us were up at sparrow fart today. Then again, this site ignores daylight saving, so perhaps only a little fart. A fartlet? I digress.

    A typical DA today, quite satisfying with a fair smattering of smiles. Again knowledge of American films an advantage. My first one in was 20a. And despite the above, I don’t understand 3d. Haven’t parsed 21a yet either. But don’t help me yet …

  8. Hey all, first-time poster here; FYI, I’ve been solving cryptics for over a year and tried a few DA’s, never made much progress.

    FOI 20A as above, 5d instant write-in based on def but can’t parse it totally (? such = 1st 2 letters), 1d fooled me for ages, nothing else yet; might try suggested easy starters as per above

  9. Adam – 5D – I found reference where first 2 letters are a synonym.
    And keep at the DA’s – you will get there as you learn his idiosyncrasies.

  10. Easy starters for me were 10a/6d,20a,21d,24d,27d. LOI 21a because it’s the only wordplay I haven’t got yet. I’ll be back later for hints if need be. Didn’t know 12d but it was gettable from the wordplay. The boat in 16d may be unfamiliar to quite a few.
    The usual crap definition in 4d.
    2d was good DAJ but my favourite was 19a.

  11. Unusually quick for me today, and I didn’t enjoy this one as much as usual, though some were quite clever – FOI 27D, 24D and 22D. Still don’t understand wordplay for 14A, 19A, or 3D (despite hints).

  12. @DAJunkie (08:23): Ahhh, of course. Thanks, and a round of applause to anyone else who managed to get it unassisted!

    @SB: 14A, I found ignoring the punctuation v helpful. 19A, I’m guessing it’s the second word that’s causing problems, but I don’t think I can give any advice beyond thinking of different sorts of mouth?

  13. Thanks Luke – I can see 14A now. 19A – no, it’s the first word that’s stumping me.

  14. SB, completely overhaul the punctuation in the clue for 14a. And 3d involves a much longer word. If you have the answer for 19a, just think a little more.

    If I say any more at this early stage I’ll be struck off.

  15. Oh dear, I’ve been beaten to it. SB, the first meaning of 19d is very topical.

  16. Aha! Thanks Graham M – 3D understood. For 19A I’ll just think a little more.

  17. Flowed fairly okay for me today, though not my quickest DA. Just working on a couple in SE corner. Sometimes DA’s homophones are met with contention, but I thought they were sound today.

    FOIs: 20A, 27D, 25A.

    28A (I enjoyed the books referenced, and the charade was delicately disguised); and
    3D (the quit part IMO should still be standing).

    Head scratchers:
    21A, I have the top but not what it outfits

  18. AC, I finally figured out 21a — I think. It made my brain hurt. It’s hard to give any clues, but a lot hinges on a novel use for “defending”.

  19. DAJunkie, Graham M—ohh, “defending”, wow, gotchya. I guess I don’t know enough about netball (still don’t get 4,5, it must be a club or something…at this point though I’ll take what I have as sufficient explanation for it) to have had the focus needed to parse “defending”, which I think I may have been able to get.

    I made more progress, add 29A to my faves; I feel like that should be a new wordplay device, kind of like a blanagram but without the anagram.

  20. The new Premier of NSW would not be happy with DA’s wrong definition in 1D of the Quick

  21. OMG how could I not have seen the strain in 19A!!!! Thanks again Graham M, DAJunkie, and Margaret too. (I was stuck on a different kind of strain :()
    AC, spoiler alert? – def 1st 2 words, reduced emperor 1,5,6; etc.

  22. AC: 26a – The emperor is letters 1,6,7(& 8 if there was one). It’s a less common (possibly older?) spelling of the title. The Arabic port is in Yemen.

    21a – If you pull up pretty much any image of netball being played, you should get a good idea of where the letters have come from.

    I’ve seen some gripes about them, but I really enjoy the DA-isms like “defending” (there’s another in 15d). The novel way of looking at words is great fun and perfectly in keeping with the premise of cryptics.

  23. AC – 26A. Aria part defn. Reduced emperor 1,6,7. Scull = consume. Arabic port 2-5.

  24. All done. Loved the currency of 19a and 29a. Also loved 7d. One quibble – 2d isn’t really a priest.
    Thanks for help above for more difficult wordplay. Still scratching my head over 23a though. Any help there?

  25. Sandy Mc, 23A is new to me – def is last 2 words. Wordplay should give you the rest

  26. Adam, from 9:17 am …

    Stick with cryptics, they’re the best invention since sliced bread. Think of it as psycho-analysing Mr Astle.

    You can always ask for help here, and, as you may have noticed, you’ll get more generous assistance as we progress into the evening then weekend.

  27. @Graham M (1:00 pm): Absolutely! I’ve been streaming cryptics on twitch for about a year and plan to continue doing so (not DA’s anytime soon)

    Still got a long way to go – I’m having to google things and backform things; can’t parse 1a, but that helped me get 3d which I suspected. Having had the 10-letter hint, I think 3d is amazing as the 7/10ths that’s being removed from “novelty” = hand (as in clapping congratulations, at celebrations).

    19a is lovely and topical, I know know where 6a originally operated (I suspected 11a based on crossers and WOFing, which helped me get 12d). As a Melburnian, all I needed was “Y” and I got the easy half of the spoonerism (fish); don’t understand the “tower” part though.

    27a took me WAY to long to get – “cartwheeling” is lovely.

  28. Just parsed 14a – “shed very, ” ok, so DA’s style is “I’ll give you a word that has lots of synonyms, find one that has more or less letters as necessary, then perform operations until you get the answer. Right, gotcha.

  29. nvm, was wrong on the 2nd word in 12d, spoonerism is fine.

    Panda = ? 1st 2 letters of 15d. Hmmm

  30. Fairly easy one today. DA likes putting in his weekly pandemic reference. Can’t parse 28 across, what am i missing, plz.

  31. Aha! Thanks SB, Luke, Ian. All accounted for then.
    (I hope I didn’t give any spoilers in my little bit of fun…)

  32. Adam, 12D, think less ivory and more, perhaps, roadside (A classic DA subterfuge, along with “flower”)
    Correct on 15D

  33. Adam,
    For Panda look at the first and last letters then what is in the middle.

    Captain Ken,
    Think TV series and dropping “by”.

  34. ok, done, but with a LOT of looking up things and backforming. ty for the hints @AC and @Margeret.

    29a is nice and so simple looking at all the crossing letters
    10a/6d heard of him, picked it was an anagram, but picked the wrong anagrind and couldn’t work out why the letters didn’t make sense lol

    LOI were 24d and 18d – easy write-ins with crossers and wordplay actually fairly simple.

    25a last 2 letters is quite tricksy for the homophone

    4d is cute

    21a so I get the 4,5 netball reference; is the 6th letter taken from the last word? I can see a 6-letter top on the outside.

    Learned a few things today – boat in 16d, original stronghold of 6a; tough going, but good fun nonetheless. Until next week … :)

  35. The 6th letter in 21a took me a while Adam, but think about the word “defending” while keeping in mind “panda” in 15d.

  36. Mostly enjoyable. Couldn’t get 3d and 28a, but agree clever after reading zinzan.
    I still don’t get 4-6 of 21a despite hints
    5d never heard of it; perhaps I should add a young child to my reference sources.
    12d ditto- is it a common usage in Melbourne?
    Didn’t like use of “over” in 6a.

  37. Richard
    4-6 when you look at the bibs in netball they have the initials of their position on the bib. WA is wing attack. defending can be read as “def” ending.

    Never heard 12d used in Melbourne but the Yarra does run through it.

  38. @Margaret: ‘”def” ending’ is amazing, would not have spotted that devious L&S! Thank-you!

    @richard: oh, ty for reminding me of zinzan, I’ll check that out later. I played 5d growing up as a late 80s kid – “5d the Hedgehog 2” is from 1992, so right in my ballpark. An absolute classic, along with Digimon –> Pokemon, Bubsy, Jak and Daxter and Crash Bandicoot.

    @TimC: ohhhh, after Margaret’s comment, I now realise “panda” is also a nasty little L&S; very devious!

  39. Got it done in good time. I’ve checked out the definitions of several after finishing it. 12d is defined as ‘a loafer or vagrant’ so I guess Old Melburnian is right!
    I think I have the parsing for 17a but can anyone put in a version FMI please

  40. @Phil: “cake” is 1-3 “rejected” and “papers” = 4-5, def = Tasteless

  41. Good to see newer/younger solvers here. I took Margaret’s advice and watched Celebrity Letters and Numbers and enjoyed the young’uns. We were pretty well matched on the words, but they were streets ahead of me on the numbers, but then I knew in middle high school, after doing well in alegebra ( which after all is just a code in language), I was a goner.

  42. Gayle,
    I never got into Letters and Numbers, but we do watch a bit of “8 out of 10 Cats does Countdown”, and we learnt a few tricks in relation to the numbers. If it gets tricky we still need to reach for the calculator but we have some logic patterns we fall back on.

    I think you have to be a certain age to do cryptics; mainly because you have to have lived long enough to store the amount of rubbish needed to get the breadth of the questions but not so old you don’t get the “modern” social media, and music, references.

  43. That’s right Margaret. I remembered later that Graham mentioned CL@N and it was 8 out of 10 Cats that you recommended. (BTW What does the title of the show mean. Is it cryptic?)
    So I gave it that a go too, but preferred L&N’s good humour, shared by DA with the young comedians. DA is very young at heart, with a wise old head.
    Speaking of age, I agree with your second para. I’m lost on DA’s modern lit, TV shows, cartoons etc.

  44. Thanks Adam
    Yes that was my take on it. And yes Gayle, it’s not a cake!

  45. I’m a big fan of the English quiz shows. At the moment I watch Only Connect, on You Tube and Pointless, which is on TV. I also like a lot of the English comedy panel shows like QI, Insert Name here, Mock the Week, etc.

    “8 out of 10 Cats” relates to a Whiskas ad which claimed 8 out of 10 Cats prefers Whiskas. This relates to the format of the original “8 out of 10 cats” show because the the panel are given a topic and have to guess the most popular answer according to a polled group. “8 out of 10 Cats Does Countdown” is an extension show.

    Maybe DA could do a cryptic game show where contestants are given a clue and buzz in when they have solved it. They give the answer and then have to explain the word play.

  46. Margaret, that’s a great idea for a cryptic game show! Maybe you can write to Mr Astle and SBS, and get the royalties. (None of us here will steal your thunder.)

    Or we could turn the tables and put DA in the hot seat? You probably know UK cryptic setter, Paul in the Guardian, who went on a fund-raising run, and people placed along the route held up a placard with a word on it which he had to clue it as he ran.

  47. Call me grumpy, but I gave “Celebrity Letters & Numbers” a try last week and didn’t enjoy it. Three so-called celebrities that I’d never heard of trying desperately to be entertaining. In the unlikely event that I watch it again tonight, it’ll only be because Saturday night television is rather desolate. Bring back the original Australian L&N, and spare us the timpani glissando, I say. The Macquarie dictionary must be a few editions older by now.

  48. Call me grumpy too. Can anyone tell me who the “celebrities” were? More than ten minutes elapsed before the first game started while the celebrities and the mis-cast host tried unsuccessfully to be funny.
    Having only free to air TV I’m restricted with regard to English quiz shows but I do like Pointless and I used to enjoy Eggheads when it was broadcast on the ABC.
    Regarding this week’s puzzle could someone explain the connection between the answer to 5d and the clue. It must be obvious since it was mentioned by some as an early starter, but not to me. Then again I failed to solve 13a even though it was my job for nearly forty years.

  49. Geoff D, if it’s the wordplay for 5D I think the grammar is a bit off with ‘details’.
    Letters 1,2 ‘such’
    Letters 3-5. synonym for ‘pleasant’ 4 letters minus its last . I think that should be ‘detailed’

  50. GeoffD, it’s good to know I’m not the only grumpy one! Evidently “Sonic the hedgehog” is an animated film.

  51. Having more than usual trouble finding if my parsing needs have already been covered. Sorry if so.
    1A – Got 7-9 and I’m presuming ‘one’ clues 5, so 1-4 and 6?
    6A – Does ‘songs’ = ‘lays’? How?
    8D – Got the answer but not the parsing.
    (p.s. Should 21A be ‘outfit’, not ‘outfits?)

  52. Johnno2
    add 6 to 7-9
    4-1 – Weightlifter barely

    lay – a short lyric or narrative poem meant to be sung

    about – around
    a bout – a round
    Hence a break

  53. Thanks Margaret
    6A – As I generally expect, I learn something new!
    8A – Clever DA, clever you (and the others)
    Re 1A, hmmmm… I believe the original ‘sus’ drifted to ‘suss’ in its verb form (as in TO suspect – i.e (the relatively positive sense of) ‘work out’)) because it had the double s in ‘sussed’, ‘sussing’, etc. The adjective(?) form, however, (as in IS suspect – i.e. (the relatively negative sense of) ‘dodgy’)) has no such baggage. Maybe a few more years of evolution before dodgy = susS? ;-)

  54. Either a single or double ess is valid for both meanings of sus/suss. I guess suspicion is a necessary precursor to investigation so the two meanings are closely related.

  55. …and anyway, I’m learning all’s delightfully fair in love and DA!

  56. Johnno2, I only just worked out 21A as well. The “top” is singular, and “outfits” is an verb. Make sense?

  57. Thanks Gayle and Graham. My problem with 5D was being unaware of the existence of a hedgehog named Sonic.

  58. Definitely on the easy side for me. First time I’d solved all the clues before coming to Trippers. FOI 27D LOI 7D
    I’ll have to research TV shows for 28A Margaret I can’t recall who quibbled about 2D being a priest bu NT translation has references to 2Ds in relation to proof of leprosy cures.
    Overall enjoyed today liked 7D 19A 21A & 26A

  59. IanS,
    For “by” think mathematics. The TV show is quite well known.

  60. Makes sense, Damian. I’ve just realised from your response that he’s used a ‘silent’ placer i.e. ‘outfits’ = ‘wears 1-3,7-9’. Thanks.

  61. Nice to have 19A/6D as, for me, an easy starter.

    Lot s of enjoyable stuff but I have no idea about the wordplay for 28A – or your hints like books and zimzam.

    Help please! If it is too early – on the other page. Thanks.

  62. Mike, there is a TV series about a serial killer, his name is the same as the 28A answer with letter 3 removed to give 28A. Letter 3 is a means of indicating multiplication (by).

  63. Mike, “by” is the multiplication symbol, “x”. Insert it ‘twixt letters 2 & 3.

  64. 28A OK now! Just spotted Margaret’s response to Ian (with no reference to the clue) and Googled a TV show that I had never heard of.

    English cricket captain and MP, or right-hand in some way, would have been far better IMHO than an American media reference.

  65. IanS, it was Sandy Mc who quibbled about 2d being a priest. I think rightly so. 2d’s are teachers of the Law, not priests. For example, Jesus was called 2d (“my teacher”) but couldn’t be a priest as he was from the tribe of Judah. Priests had to be from Levi.

  66. Mike, I would have preferred the character played by Willie Fennell in the classic Australian radio show of the 50s, but perhaps that would be too much like history now. In any case, the American serial killer show was pretty well known, with about seven series of it.

  67. Mike,
    Google “Zinzan crossword”.

    Look up his “live journal”.

    He explains the breakdown of the answers.

  68. Informative, Tim C. Thanks!
    Perhaps you deserve the moniker ‘Da Rabbi’! ;-)

  69. My thanks to Margaret re 28A and TimC for your enlightening information on 2D re teachers and priests. I’ve learnt a new piece of information. I was always taught to ask questions rather than staying quiet.
    Till next Friday keep safe everyone.

  70. Re Celebrity Letters & Numbers:
    I have to agree with Graham M & Geoff D.
    Merrick (Ep1) is well enough known I guess, but the other “celebrities” in Ep1 & 2 appeared to be more about SBS’s diversity policy than selecting known or even funny & interesting people.
    Alex Lee I have seen before: she seems to be friends with the team from The Chaser.
    At least 8 out of 10 Cats is usually funny.
    After the overly long intro, I fast forwarded to each of the puzzles.
    Useful to pre-record, unless they get 3 politicians from different parties on the show and let them snipe at each other for an hour.

  71. Belated thanks, Margaret and Adam. 21a I know nothing about netball, but understood it once I saw that “defending” was a cunning misdirection. Panda was funny- I bet DA will use that again. I keep forgetting that by = x. I agree that the cake is not a cake.

    Re 8/10 Cats- I am a recent convert. Despite its stunning stupidity and vulgarity it can be very funny. I was amazed to discover that Jimmy Carr took a first at Cambridge – how the mighty have risen!

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