DA Confusion for the 10th of September, 2021

Have your confusions sorted out for this week’s DA!

61 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 10th of September, 2021

  1. Started really fast for me as FOI was 25A/5D and next was 9A.
    But then slowed a lot.
    Found SW the hardest, last ones in 21A/11A and 18D.
    And as for 18D learnt a new meaning for a word.
    With 21A/11A, took me awhile to understand cluing of last 4 letters.
    Thought 15A pretty clever (if a bit tricky) when I finally got it.
    In fact, quite a few others I think are quite good.
    Hope all enjoy.

  2. hc – 16D – “expected” = 1,2,8. “stunning model” = 3,4,5,6,7.
    21A/11A – yeah – and tough to hint without giving away. As a start, “One quit poem” = 1,2,3,4. Hope helps.

  3. Never heard of 21/11, not in my realm. Must have been asleep for decades. Did know the poem though. Great surface and gettable wordplay. Loved the def too, once I looked it up.

    A lot of good surfaces and a few tricky parsings with a couple of ‘out there’ indicators.
    Liked 4A, 19A, 4D,6D,7D, 8D.

    Took a while to parse 7D. Had to drop the punctuation. Didn’t know that about the answer. Don’t remember that decade. :-)

    FOI 9A. Haven’t yet parsed 25/5 , too many letters. Got work to do.

  4. Done in a little under my normal time today, no real problems except two answers I’d never come across before (21/11A, 1D).

    FOI 1A, 2D. LOI 20D, 26A. Other good starters might be 27A, 23D, 19A, 13A.

  5. DAJunkie, you’ve been a help, it’s just the recipient of it who needs more brain activity. I’ll stick with it and live in hope. Ta.

  6. DAJunkie, I feel as if I haven’t done a cryptic before. It took this long to rethink stunning model; I was stuck on my very limited knowledge of names. I read your hint slowly, and often, and the fog lifted ! TA.

  7. Gayle – for 25A/5D, “Extreme crossword” just gives 2 letters. That will reduce the count.

  8. DAJunkie, yes, figured that ……. so ‘extreme crossword’ clues DA ?! :-)

  9. Starters 27a,2d,14d,19d,23d,24d. LOI 10a (not entirely happy about wordplay). Smiles came from 18d and 23d. 1d was unfamiliar. An element of 15a isn’t in Chambers but available elsewhere and familiar to me

    Thought there was one dodgy anagrind . Also 5d says “See 21-across” – another blinder played by the crossword “editor”.

  10. Reasonably satisfying today. I can’t get 15a. I think I have 18d but I can’t match it to the definition. 21a/11a, but I’ll allow DA one or two doozies each week! (Unlike last week.) I can’t account for the second letter in 10a.

    And Gayle (or is it GAYLE!), no, “extreme crossword” gives CD.

  11. Graham M – 15A – defn = “surrogate?”. (answer is now OZ vernacular).
    18D – defn = first word. (new to me as a mentioned earlier).
    10A – there are 2 of them, so this would be the second I guess.

  12. hc – further to DA Junkie’s comment on the poem (21A/11A … As a start, “One quit poem” = 1,2,3,4)
    Which verse does it mean?
    An oriental type rhyme
    The penny might drop

  13. Thanks all. I’m accustomed to DA introducing me to unfamiliar word meanings, and I’m not averse to being educated, but try as I might I can find no reference on the internet for that meaning of “report” in 18d. Am I looking in the wrong places?

  14. Sally B, thanks. I muddled through , still unhappy with the last four of 11 a, googled, and came up with the info about a movie I haven’t seen. I appreciate your input .

  15. hc – glad you liked it. I hope you counted the syllables to see that it was in fact an example of itself!
    The last 4 of 11a is referenced by’thanks’ (as in twice) in the clue.

  16. Kelly S – 26A:
    ‘expressed’ indicates homophones
    ‘Asian’ : 1-4
    ‘coach’: 5-9

  17. Pleased to have got this in one sitting this evening. Have worked out a few parsings now which I didn’t get along the way. 1d and 1-3 of 6d are new to me.
    I can’t account for the last letter of 10a though (or second letter) Any explanations?

  18. Phil, I was similarly flummoxed. B1’s companion seen from a Roman perspective apparently is the key.

  19. Yes Graham M, for a while this morning I was trying to fit “big” in the wordplay for the famous banana in Coffs Harbour. :)

  20. DAJ, I still can’t see how 5-8 of 15a reversed works. I get something dripping from my nose

  21. I was too shy to say so yesterday, but I’m with you, BD. Zinzan’s explanation didn’t help either.

  22. That meaning is not in Chambers. I think it comes from the idea of “belting the 8-5 out of” someone.

  23. Good work Phil it has taken me 3 sittings to complete
    FOI 26A LOI 13A
    Can’t parse 10A & 13A Liked 17A 4D & 14D
    Off to zinzan for his thoughts

  24. Still mystified by that second letter in 10A, and the second half of 15A. The suggested explanations seem a bit far-fetched to me, though I can’t think of any better!

  25. DA#2, look, it’s Sunday afternoon, so here’s a full, unredacted explanation of the second letter of 10a! The celebrity bananas are B1 & B2, I believe. Write the 2 as a Roman numeral, and voila!

    And if Tim’s explanation of the snot is correct, then it isn’t one of DA’s finest moments.

  26. Actually, it’s Saturday afternoon. Funny how one loses track of time …

  27. Thanks for the B I I explanation. I’ll go with that.
    I have heard of 8765 of 15a being used as a verb meaning to hit someone in the nose, but not by me

  28. Graham M could the Morrison be the one from marketing, but with an ‘i’ ?

  29. That’s a bit of a stretch, I think, Sue. A ‘y’ yes, but not an ‘i’. And if “hooked into” is an inclusion indicator, then the eighth letter has to be banana-related, yes?

  30. All done.
    I hadn’t heard of 21a/11a so had to build it.

    I agree with the BII explanation.

  31. It was a good thought Sue, shame about the inclusion indicator as Graham says. Not the best clue of the puzzle.

    I should have remembered 21a/11a Margaret having seen the show, but like you had to build it. Still not happy about the whole “thanks” business. If “thanks” is 9,10,11,12, does that mean 9,10 (and 11,12) is “thank”? It would be better if “thanks” had been replaced by “goodbye”.

  32. I think we’re suffering lockdown fever and need to get our sense of humour back. I quite like the thanks in 11A. Doesn’t matter there are 2 thanks. It’s in the plural.

    And 15A last 4 letters reversed is a ‘common’ expression for punching someone in the nose.
    It may not be in Chambers but I don’t remember the SMH saying that was the go-to reference.
    The ‘prize’ in the SMH used to be the Macquarie dictionary. It might be in there but I haven’t got an online subscription and my dead tree version is MIA.

  33. Tim C,
    I think Goodbye might’ve been a better clue. That corner was where I got stuck for a little while. Deeply embarrassed I took so long with 20d. I was over thinking it.

    I’ve certainly heard of the “punch” expression in 15a. Often an expression children use.

  34. I found this one relatively easy, unlike last week’s which I binned after about an hour.

    The only one left is 1D. Is the definition the last word?

  35. Gayle,
    I’ve got a Big Macq dictionary (courtesy of Letters and Numbers years ago) and this version of ‘snot’ is surprisingly not in it. But I’d heard it used before.

  36. Thanks for that Graham. With your hint I was able to reverse engineer it.
    Like other posters, it was a new one.

  37. Some stranger started abusing a woman outside the nightclub, so I just snotted him. As I departed, she said ‘ta ta,’ so I told her there was no need to thank me twice.

  38. Haha Jack. I suspect that snot is also a euphemism for another 4 letter word “I beat the s..t out of him”.
    Yes Gayle, I often mention Chambers as it’s the one I have to hand (yes, a hardcopy, gasp) and often contains Australian slang and a lot of Scottish words (useful for Azed and the Speccie). I’d heard the expression and was just surprised it wasn’t in there. Surprised also Neanderthal that it isn’t in the Big Mac.

  39. Jack@1.21. Thank you. Made me laugh!

    Neanderthal@12.24, so you’re not a Neanderthal if you made it on Letters and Numbers. Kudos.

    Margaret@ 12.05. Yes, familiar to me and I checked with my husband. We’re both of retirement age, not children, only in spirit.

  40. Sam Lander@ 7.25. Yes, but punctuation is usually ignored as a convention in some cryptics, both in wordplay and solution.

  41. Have just returned to this.
    Re 10A, I think that the Roman theory needs an indicator.
    Re 15A, I can’t find that ‘punch’ sense of the word in any of my dictionaries, old or new, and neither my partner nor I can remember ever hearing it. Could it be a Sydney thing? We’re a bit more refined here in Melbourne …

  42. DA#2

    I’m a Melbournian and I’d heard of it. It tended to be a kid’s thing. As in “I’m going to snot you”.

  43. For what it is worth, here is a reference to “snot” as I understood it to mean in slang – Aust or Brit I do not know. And it was hard to find such a reference. Anyway…


    Green’s Dictionary of Slang
    snot v.
    1. to hit in the nose [snot n.1 (2)].

    And as for my knowing the term, I actually recall the term from a primary school play I was involved in back in the 1960’s.

  44. My, that’s a comprehensive snot list, DAJ. Thank you for sharing. Snot sjambok is my favourite.

  45. i’d bet if DA has dropped in on this thread, it’d be a hoot… er…. no, not that one… the nose thing.

  46. It’s a very old word Gayle (as in Old English) and is related to “snout” so definitely a nose thing.
    I’m always a bit hesitant to recommend the Urbandictionary, but I chuckled a fair bit reading the entries for snot (including hitting someone on the nose). I particularly enjoyed the definition “(Adj.) The Luddite equivalent of spam. Designation for hard-copy junk mail: from “SN”ail n”OT” wanted.”, and the definition as an acronym….

    Social Networking Obsession Turmoil (SNOT)
    Person 1:Dude, what the hell is Rick doing tonight?
    Person 2:He is sitting on facebook. He has snot.

  47. Thank you for the Green’s link, DAJ. Good heavens. To think that I use the word in all those other senses every day, and didn’t know the ‘punch’ one.
    DA certainly causes a lot of confusion and consternation and controversy.
    Someone oughta snot ‘im.

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