DA Confusion for the 25th of June, 2021

Have your confusions sorted out for this week’s last DA for the financial year.

52 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 25th of June, 2021

  1. Morning Everyone
    Classic DA with some ‘out there’ definitions, a couple of ‘what the?’ wordplays, a few clunky surfaces, another foreign homophone, and chuckles along the way.

    1D, 9A, 14A went in first. The south is probably a good place to start but I didn’t look at 25A/22D until later, spending a fair bit of time trying to complete the northern half first.

    If i’ve got the right meaning for the second word of 6A/5D (not one I knew), it’s pretty clever. The clue would require extra punctuation to interpret properly, but that would ruin the surface. I hesitated to put in because I couldn’t parse it. I may have been led up the garden path here though.

    Have only ever seen the word that 27A works on in crosswords, but it’d be familiar to some of our Trippers. Favourites 2D, 15A and 21D.

  2. Done and dusted. For the first time in a while, just started at NW and worked around pretty much in logical order.

    FOI – 9A. LOI – 21D.

    Took be a while for fully understand 17D wordplay.
    And 24A wordplay seems clumsy – but might just be me.


  3. A fairly easy one today I thought, done in somewhat under my average time.

    FOI 9A, 11A; LOI 17D, 17A.

  4. A few weeks ago I was contemplating abandoning DA, following a higher than usual number of tricky but unsatisfying puzzles, some of which I couldn’t be bothered finishing. But recent weeks have been rewarding, the right level of challenge, and have provided plenty of smiles.

    I finished today’s more quickly than average, but found it very enjoyable. On first read through, 11a, 14a, 17a, 19a, 23a, 1d, 2d & 7d fell into place. I chuckled at 24a and 8d. I thought the definition in 6d was a bit iffy. And does “disrobing” mean removing the first letter? I’d have thought first and last.

    I have a “Huh?” list of four, in relation to which I shall seek others’ assistance if any remain in a few hours — it’s a little early yet.

  5. Graham M – I am confused. If talking 4D, I see construction as 1 and 5 – where 1 is “way, disrobing”.

    Am I missing something you are describing?

  6. One of us is barking up the wrong tree. Probably the perpendicular pronoun, as Sir Humphrey Appleby would say.

    I see 4d as a family member familiar to ABC viewers, which, when the first letter is removed, means to “loosen”.

    What am I missing?

  7. The penny just dropped. It’s “way” that disrobes. Derr. I was too busy looking for “st” or “rd”, etc!

  8. Graham M ,
    Do you agree the first letter of 4D is given by “way, disrobing” – such that “disrobing” indicates the removal of first and last?

  9. Having had another look at my “Huh?” list, I’ve been unable to shrink it. 6a/5d, 29a, 12a & 17d. Nudges welcomed.

  10. For 21D, what’s the use of ‘seldom’? I’m trying to think spatially and can only imagine that it should rather say ‘most far’… Are we talking when set, or more like – first one in..?

    Gayle, I also didn’t know the second word in 6A/5D, but found some Aussie slang that suggests that it works without extra punctuation.

  11. AC, you’ve assisted with 5d. OED says it’s Australian/New Zealand slang — although I wasn’t familiar.

  12. Graham M, 12A, the def includes ‘much’, then there must be some sort of truncation indicator..? But not sure what ‘end’ or ‘parts’ or both are doing there…
    6A/5D is straight charade with some Aussie slang, as far as I can gather.

  13. 12A oh ‘end parts’, as in ‘departs’. I think that’s decent – it works. Is that enough of a clue for you Graham M?

  14. Thanks, AC. I was thinking “voiced” was a homophone indicator, but now see that it isn’t. (And I’ve sorted out the rest of my “Huh?” list!)

  15. Graham M – 17D – construct is 4 around 3.
    29A – “birch” as in whip.

  16. Worked my way through. But still stuck in SE corner. Any hints for 19a, 21d or 27a?

  17. Got them now, with the help of a wordfinder. Still not sure how 21d works though. Also puzzling about the second word of 6a/5d. I have the word. But I don’t get the wordplay.

  18. Good to see Dickens’s slatternly nurse get a guernsey in 27A.

    5D must be the most obscure word I’ve ever seen for ‘prime’

  19. On the road today so short bursts when stopped. First pass 9a,17a,28a,7d. LOI 6a/5d where I also hadn’t heard of the Aus usage for 5d and had to refer to Chambers. Otherwise fairly straightforward.

  20. I think the ball itself is more likely to meet the gutter than is the crime boss (at least in the way I perform).

  21. Thanks AC for 5D. I had a kind of reflexive meaning, in conjunction with 6A, from the third entry in Oxford Online which according to the Online Etymological Dictionary was nautical in origin. So here’s me thinking it was British and I didn’t know Strine!

  22. AC and Graham M, 12A. but it is a homophone isn’t it?
    I had it as adjectival ending (like) the end parts. That’s the foreign homophone I had a grumble about.

  23. Add me to the list of those who’d never heard of 5D. And I don’t really get 21D, unless I’m trying to read too much into it.
    I’d take issue with the term clued by the fifth word in 24A – the words are often used interchangeably but one is not the same as the other. Difficult to expand upon without giving too much away.

  24. And the def as ‘very much’ (for a violinist). A really good clue on looking at it again as a whole, despite my quibbles about DA’s penchant for homophones of foreign words.
    I was chuffed to get this (if I did), as I don’t know much about what musicians have to do or hear or say and had to look it up and retro parse.

  25. SlowA, I don’t know much about 21Ds so I had to google and look at a picture to get the second part of the double/cryptic def.

  26. Thanks Gayle but is the second part of 21D referring to an automotive term or a sporting/recreational term? It would fit either way – maybe that’s the point of the question mark.

  27. Oh, so now I get Jack’s comment at 4.10! Thanks SlowA. No idea. As you say, it could work either way.

  28. SlowA & Gayle, I think you need to cut DA some slack re the fifth word of 24a. Very few pairs of synonyms are perfect. A quarantine is an ___________, surely, but the other direction doesn’t work as tidily.

  29. Well, I went to zinzan. He didn’t get 6/5, but he solved 12A as AC and Graham M did. I might have to eat my words.

  30. No, that’s not right. zinzan had a different take on 6/5. I think his parsing is circumvent= deletion indicator, prime (first letter) def is example of garden tools.
    I’ve never come across so many clues in one crossword which could be validly parsed in many different ways. Wonder what was in DA’s head?

  31. My take on 12a Gayle… Definition is “For a violinist, very” (Chambers gives 12a as (music) adv, very.), “much like voiced” gives a 6 letter (2,4) phrase, and “end parts” means remove the end (end parts as in end goes away). No homphone involved so I concur with AC and GrahamM.

  32. I’m still not sure about 21d but my current thought is that it’s simply a double definition with the “seldom” referring to the fact that 21d has a much wider meaning than just Mafia bosses.

    Gayle, You’re not the only one who wonders about what goes on in DA’s head. :)

  33. Tim C, that’s how I see it, with one trivial difference. I see “for a violinist, very much” as the definition, and the rest the wordplay. The OED defines it as just “very”, but goes on to say it’s from the Italian “very much”. (From the Italian? It jolly well is the Italian!)

    This is probably the most trivial pedantry I’ve committed in a while! It might be time to continue my re-reading of Bill Bryson’s “Down Under” which I was inspired to dig out from the archives after our exchange last week, Gayle. After a decade, I’d forgotten most of it!

  34. Fair enough Graham M @6:32pm re 24A – point taken. Sorry for my pedantry too, but when used in the public health context, the terms have precise meanings: ______ is separation of an infected person with a contagious disease from uninfected people whereas quarantine is separation of people who have been (or may have been) exposed to a contagious disease but do not currently have the disease from people who haven’t been exposed. Some people in quarantine (eg. in hotel quarantine) may go on to develop the disease and would then be placed in ______ (in a medihotel or in hospital).
    This post has gone on too long so I’ll stop now!

  35. Regarding 12A, I agree with Graham M; ‘like’ = letters 1-2; there would be no point to it being ‘much like’

    Regarding 21D, I don’t think the motor car theme fits. The sport theme is the most obvious.

  36. Enjoyable and fairly easy. However, I can’t parse 6a/5d fully, even though I have the answer. I assume 6a = circumvent, whole answer = garden tools, but I can’t see how prime or prime examples = 5d.

  37. Have you read the previous posts, Richard? Apparently 5d is Australian/New Zealand slang for “prime examples”. I’d never heard of it, and neither had several others, it seems.

  38. I’d agree this was an easier DA
    Finished in good time for me
    Haven’t parsed all the clues visiting Trippers to get insights. FOI 25A/22D LOI 4D
    Tripped up on Spoonerism
    Liked 21D which I took as DDef with a clever sporting reference
    Nice juxtaposition between 12A and 14A
    both can mean ‘attempts’ in the relevant language

  39. Hi Graham M. Yes, I did read the previous posts re 6/5, but was mystified, and I hoped that there was another, better construction. I’ve lived in OZ for 37 years and never encountered it, and it doesn’t come up on Google.

    As Tim C said” Gayle, You’re not the only one who wonders about what goes on in DA’s head. : )” I also wonder where DA finds these things, and what nanometric level of usage in the Anglosphere qualifies as being fair content for a crossword. “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”
    I challenge DA to supply even one example- never mind prime!- of this usage which can be found on the internet or in a reference book.

  40. Thanks Graham: an interesting reference. I must concede that I have now found it, as the final reference in Chambers and in my 1981 Macquarie dictionary .

  41. Ah Richard, I was studying linguistics at Macquarie University in 1981. Have given away my dead tree Macq U dictionaries.
    My favourite dictionary ever is Skeats Etymological Dictionary (which I still have) and requested as a 21st birthday present some time before that. It cost about one or two week’s pay when my ‘income’ was about $10 while studying under under Gough Whitlam’s wonderful education opportunities for this daughter of a butcher. So it was, and is, something to be treasured.

    I admit I now just go to etymologies online.

  42. No Trippers for 2nd July??
    All done, but need help with the life of Christ!

  43. Brond, I may have wrong, I read the answer as 3,2 – which, in the language of the clue, is “early in la vita di Christo”

  44. Thanks DA Junkie. This is a great example of having to have the answer first in order to solve the wordplay – a massive Groan from me!

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