DA Confusion for the 25th of September, 2020

Have your confusions sorted out for this week’s DA.

From what DA has said on Twitter, there will be confusions!

71 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 25th of September, 2020

  1. Found really tricky. Some wordplays quite complicated to me.
    All clues answered. And wordplay all understood, except for 11A.
    Even the 8 starred are quite tricky to get 3D.

  2. The thing that threw me out for the solve of 3d was 13a. Stuck on the wrong end of that.
    And wasn’t sure for a while if I was meant to do something with 29a. But eh, it’s a cryptic crossword. Yes, the other clues were/are tricky. For 11 a, my interpretation is that ‘good’ is doing double duty, but I might be off the mark there.

  3. Another long solve for me, didn’t really hit my stride ever. Didn’t analyse the starred clues until I got here (got 3d from the crossers) but they are a pretty good clue!

    FOI 9A, 18A; LOI 6D, 8D, 12A.

    Will post a parsing of 11A later if anyone still needs it.

  4. Shouldn’t “factor” be “factors” in 1d?

    (Just getting started. There was no thunk on my lawn this morning and I had to drive to get a paper. Still, if that’s the worst thing that happens to me today, I’m doing well!)

  5. Graham M – I agree re 1D.

    Bottom half finished, but struggling with the top half! Any clues for 1A, 10A, 12A ?

  6. Brond – 1A – yeah a real struggle for me easily explain as convoluted.
    “bananas” = 1,2,9. 3 to 8 is anagram derived from first two words.

    Hope helps – may not.

  7. Brond – 10A – defn = “defender”. “Heart” gives 6,7,8,9. “a game” gives 1,2,3,4,5.

  8. Brond – 12A – (again like 1A and 10A I found very complicated).
    Defn = “Donkey”. “gets down” = 1,2,7. And then 3,4,5,6 is a bit more obvious.

  9. All done.
    I hadn’t heard of 6d in the alternate meaning, so I got stuck around that section for a little while.
    There are a couple of good misdirects with building the theme, but I do like it.

    This was a bit of a struggle.

  10. Also a struggle for me, especially the top half. First ones 20A,28A,14D,15D,21D. LOI 3D, but still not satified (I think it would be a good clue for the same word with ‘N’ in front of it). Feel free to post on this later in the day.
    For 11A I think you ignore the comma in “look, good on” DAJunkie
    Like Gayle, I got the wrong end of the stick in 13A, which has to be my
    favourite this week for the definition.
    This 22D got there in the end though.

  11. After half an hour, I only had about eight. But after a nice long seaside walk that must have increased blood flow to the brain, the rest fell into place.

    Easy-ish starters 20a, 28a, 1d, 15d, 16d, 17d, 24d. I got 3d only from the intersecting clues (nothing else fits) but have no idea how it relates to the starred clues.

  12. Thank you for the link, DAJunkie. I certainly hadn’t heard of Emily. I took it to mean good manners on social media!

  13. Sorry, I can’t see how the 8-letter word derived from the instructions relates in any way to the answer to 3D. Even abbreviated (which it never is).

  14. Slow work for me, too. I can claim to have immediately understood the 3D hidden clue when it was complete, but was ignorant of 9A and the 6D sense.

    Like Brond, I felt there were some dodgy clues today, for different reasons. Step forward 1D, 8D, 23D, 18A and 6A. On the plus side, 22D, 21D, 13A and 5D were rippers. 5D was my last in – I stared at it, used a word finder, had the answer in my mind several times without getting it, until the “duh” moment.

  15. Brond, google your answer to 3d along with “Emily”. And if you’ve never heard of her, you’re not alone.

  16. Cheers Graham M. I had wrongly assumed an 8-letter word, instead of two 4-letter ones.

  17. Graham M . You only took 5 minutes to relate the starred clues to 3d. Impressive! I was misdirected twice with the starred answers. Took me a while. And then I missed the definition revealed by DA Junkie. I thought it was something along the lines of the thing that we’re doing here, as one of our earlier Trippers may have been hinting at.

  18. Hap Chap – 1A: def. Is waste from that which keeps the doc at bay.
    11A:. Surfie’s clobber
    2D::. Rhymes with TV’s Herman
    5D: Aliens
    6D: Horse’s bottom.
    Good Luck!

  19. Brond ta… still have problems with 5d,6d because I think my answer to 12a is wrong…still desperate but not as bad as before your help

  20. Well, I’m glad I had no chance of fully understanding 3D properly as I’m another one who’s never heard of Emily. Makes me feel less of a 12A.

  21. Really struggling today. I agree 1D should be ‘factors’ and if my answer to 6A is correct I’ll join those who think this clue is decidedly dodgy. Any help with 27A. (Don’t think it’s been mentioned)

  22. Geoff – for 27A “House” is the definition (but not in the sense of a building). “Thus” reported is a homophone next to (neighbouring) an abbreviation for “against”.

  23. For those bothered by the construction of 1D; the definition is the first two words.

  24. Just googled it and now I see. Nor had I heard if her. The earlier link to Zinzan had put me off. I read to quickly and didn’t look at the comments. Way too obscure. Even for DA.

  25. Saw that, TimC, but I still have the problem. Yes, the words can be interchanged in a suitable sentence, but they relate respectively to the viewpoints of two opposite parties. I hope my attempt to avoid spoiler makes that not too mysterious. It’s a bit like equating “winning” and “losing” because the sentence “The ******* margin was ten points” means the same thing with either word.

  26. Re Emily, I’m guessing there’s a strong inverse correlation between solver’s age and familiarity with her work.

  27. Sorry about the incoming ramble:

    I do every day’s Fairfax xword, and each is different as they should be, so long as they are within the scope and ‘rules’ of what cryptic xwords are.
    I find the Saturday the most interesting and challenging, and all make sense on review. DA makes his fame by the difficulty that comes from him treading outside the boundaries. I know saying it here to a fan club doesn’t always go down well.
    I didn’t get a thrill out of completing this one, rarely do I, whereas on a late Saturday after doing bits and pieces during the day, I sign my name with a flourish after the last one goes in.
    I got 3D from the cross letters, well before completion, it was obvious what fitted. Then I got the rest of starred (not that it mattered much) because I knew what the answer indicated to in each case.
    The rest was dead easy except for 16A, who cares really? Looks like a poor attempt at finding letters between 16A and 17D.
    If you need to know obscure things like 16A and 3D then it is not cryptic. That is why people are Googling every week. Neither are straightforward double definitions of an obscure word- that is just a difficult ‘quick’ and there are thesauruses for that.

  28. Cokes – I agree the Saturday puzzle is a joy to do – tough, but always fair. DA is not always fair, but has a sense of humour, originality and invention which I look forward to every week, as a challenge I’m eager to accept. The odd stinker or Pepe as I will be calling them from now on, is acceptable to me, because I am happy to give DA the latitude he needs to experiment. Re: 16A my favourite clue of the day, went straight in – no googling necessary. I guess you had to be there.
    Re difficult Quicks, see under DH on Tuesdays – the polar opposite of DA.

  29. Hi all, I was off to a flying start this morning. Normally I have to stare blankly at a DA for quite a while and I miss my chance to get into this conversation before I have to put it on hold for work. Once I’m in a position to come back you’re all often done and dusted. I’m almost done this week, ahead of schedule. Can’t see how the asterisked will clue what is the only word that’ll fit in 3D, having all the cross-letters.

    Anyway, my query is with 25A – I can’t see why “Vice versa” needs to be in the clue at all if I have the answer correct, after zoning in on it once I filled in 7D. Any explanation?

  30. I think the ‘vice versa’ means you should read “districts dumping on” rather than “dumping on districts” AC.

  31. Thanks Tim C, “districts dumping on” would be far more fair on reading. On the other hand, the use of vice versa becomes fairly unfair again…

  32. Yes AC, but as a clue “Punchier row after districts dumping on” doesn’t read well at face value.

    JO, Plato’s finale is the definition. “Expose” as in “uncover” the first three words of the clue.

  33. For 21D, as far as I can tell (not being the alpha or omega of these things), Plato’s finale should really be an answer of 2 letters. Another possible inaccuracy in today’s DA.

  34. Okay, now I’m up to parsing the clue for 3D as my last task. I initially thought for some reason there was no definition supplied.

    I’m assuming the wordplay is a string of letters to pick out of the words in the clue and then forming an anagram. But I’m not getting the right letters (except for the “other end” in 13A thanks to above).

    I googled Emily and see that she has a connection to the answer, but not as a direct synonym in a matching part of speech, and I still can’t see where the definition lies in the clue. I’ll do some more reading on her.

    And the clue doesn’t form a grammatical sentence, right?

  35. Just realised that 29A can also follow the formula of the other asterisks, which I think is what Gayle alluded to earlier. Getting closer. I guess I can do the same with 10A then, as the actual clue for 10A primes you for?

  36. Huzzah! Now I see the connection with Emily. Which I agree with all can be very misleading if you don’t know Emily as I also didn’t. Hmm… I must say it is gratifying. I’m not averse to the arcane as long as I can eventually sleuth it out. Thanks to the help of the Trippers :)

  37. No no! Finally got there. Phew! I do love Friday nights and my DA . Emily’s wordplay nearly defeated me but your comments encouraged to go back and nut it out. Thanks

  38. AG, agree with your comment about 6A. But re correlation between familiarity with Emily and age, I think you mean ‘direct’ rather than ‘inverse’, don’t you? The older you are, the more likely you are to know about her. (However, even though I had heard of her, I still didn’t see the link when I solved the 8 clues and 3D.)

  39. I really don’t see what people’s problem is with 3D. Emily’s thing was 3D and when the 8 letters are put together, they define that thing in two words. It’s not even a cryptic clue; it’s a straight definition. Furthermore, I must be very old, because I have certainly heard of Emily many times. The only issue I had was getting the fourth of the 8 letters. I guess we could be talking logarithms here.

    This puzzle took me much longer than most to complete. There were many hard clues to solve and my last one in was the virginal star sign or house.

  40. Gayle re 11a….a three letter word for feeble…think of ” — “behind the ears “…and “look good on “, as in clothes perhaps. now please help me out with 5d and 6 d I’m still stuck even after help

  41. Re11A: “strip” is sportswear, more often used in the context of ” team colours”. That’s okay – where the clue gets dodgy is equating ” feeble” with “wet”.

  42. Re5D: a plural word, name for a race of aliens, letters 2-4 an Asian cooking vessel.
    Re6D : double def, coughing fit that infants often get. Or rear parts of a horse.
    Like me you probably need to check your 12A.

  43. Brond, re 11A, where I come from there is a phrase “yer shapin’ like a wet weekend” which means you’re not being very effective. Chambers has one definition of ‘wet’ as “ineffectual or feeble (informal)”.

  44. The only time I have heard 6D used in this sense is in the poem ‘Lochinvar’ by Sir Walter Scott:
    “So light to the croup the fair lady he swung,
    So light to the saddle before her he sprung.”

  45. Grrrrr……Oh well, mustn’t grumble………Grrrrr……..Grrrrr…….

    (Apologies to Disgruntled of Chorley Wood, long-suffering devotee/victim of Araucaria)

  46. I get the feeling Brond and Tim C you might have been born elsewhere? Not that I’m prejudiced. Lochinvar is near Maitland, NSW, no? Croup I only knew as that breathless thing of childhood, but I have family in Lochinvar who breed horses. Know about Araucaria, the organic thing and the setter, but only from UK cryptics. Chorleywood, never heard of (before I looked it up now). On the other hand I learnt something today that as an Aussie I should have known about beach gear and sports gear in general. Love Trippers for the enlightenment.

  47. SlowA, of course, you’re right.
    Brond, “feeble” for “wet” works fine for me, as a put-down of a weak character, but it is a British more than Australian sense, I think.

  48. Funny that Emily was unknown by so many people. Maybe she should post here more often!

  49. Lots of difficulty for me, only completed thanks to some clues here. Favourite 13A. Don’t think 25A needed “Vice versa” which threw me off a lot. Second week in a row that DA has used the same synonym for “vessel”.

  50. Thanks to the comments here, I finally worked out how “POSTCODE” becomes “POST CODE” and hence the reference to Emily Code. However, I am struggling to understand the relationship between the first “O” of “POSTCODE” and the word “APOLOGIST” . I assumed that the word “CORE” refers to the central letter of the word “APPLE” . Can anybody enlighten me?

  51. Hello benadem. The “gist” of “apolo” is its central letter, I believe.

  52. Thanks, Graham M. I didn’t think of separating “apolo” and “gist”. Old age creeping up!!! :-P

  53. Sorry for this late posting, I have been bush for a while, with no internet.
    Postcode > post code = there is a code for posting comments online = online etiquette.

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