DA Confusion for the 7th of February, 2020

Have your confusions sorted out for this week’s DA. I’m in Oslo. Luckily my confusions with Norwegian are resolved by everyone speaking English.

57 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 7th of February, 2020

  1. I found it, to be not too difficult today.
    FOI 23d, 18d, 26a, 24-1 and last 5d.
    The bottom half filled in first, NE corner was last.
    Happy solving.

  2. I was terrible today, just could not get on the right wavelength; double my usual time.. Did most of the RHS, a few on the left then utterly stuck for 20+ minutes.

    FOI 25D, 28A, LOI 22/11A. Good starters might be 27A, 23D, 20D/16A, 5A, 13D.

  3. As usual, very slow. Two hours pondering, only about a dozen in. Had to google Drive presenter, had no real idea. and again to be reminded of White rabbits failing. Struggling on.

  4. Where is everyone?

    All done in a bit under par time for me. A parsing for 6D would be appreciated.

  5. All done.
    FOI 12a. LOI 22a/11a

    6d. Too early to give a breakdown but think of “decline” cracking “offer”.

  6. Thanks, Margaret.

    FOI was 27A. LOI, 5D, was familiar to me – uni why it took so long to spot. 15A was my second last, and only with its last letter did I see the first word of 5D.

    I did like the punctuation mark in 28D.

  7. We know the saying and definition for 5d, and these letters are all conspicuously in the clue… but still can’t justify it. Please help!

  8. My LOI, 22,11 across but for the life of me I can’t parse it apart from heroic orphan! Can someone help please?

  9. Boonta,
    in 5dn, letters 2-5 are ‘craze’. The rest is an anagram ‘in the wings’/all around.
    I spent ages thinking ‘in the wings’ would be T-E on the outsides of the answer.

  10. Haha! Got it. You know how it happens, just after posting a question……:D

  11. Perhaps I wasn’t in the right frame of mind today, but I didn’t enjoy it. It was a hard slog, and I resorted to cheating for a few, so I probably won’t go to heaven.

    Since when is “describing” a container indicator?

  12. I have 25D but cannot parse it at all… (last two words definition, right?)

  13. Carol, a five-letter “two-master” has been trimmed. Not sure why “gunwales” is in the clue.

  14. Geoff M, thank you. (I suppose gunwales are the outer edges, but yes, definitely not required here.)

  15. Geoff and Carol, I think you will find gunwales are the guts not the outer edge.

  16. If there is anyone still around, I have finally got just about there. But I have no idea about 22,11a. And while I have ‘fats’ in 28a, I can’t work out how.
    Any help out there?

  17. Mm, we’re in the same boat as SandyMC. anyone able to help us justify 28A will get a toast from our friday arvo bevs for sure! Cheers folks.

  18. SandyMc: I struggled with 28a for a while until it hit me that the first 5 letters are a 6 letter word for clear minus ‘millions’ with ‘salt’ tagged on. Hope that helps.

  19. SandyMc,
    I agree with Trishq on 28a.

    For 22,11a think of a heroic orphan and then sound out both words together and aloud.

  20. FOI 12A. LOI 22A/11A and my favourite together with 4D. Found it hard going today.

    22A/11A is homophonic. the lover part is an old word, and for beer think about how it’s made.

  21. Thanks Trishq. But Margaret, I have thought of many heroic orphans. Yet not found one that might sound like something that would fit the crossers, let alone reveal a beer lover.

  22. I found this week’s easy – unlike last week’s, where I solved precisely zero clues.

  23. SandyMc,
    DC comic hero, you are looking for his real name. He is quite famous. The sound of “beer lover” crosses both words but they are separate.

  24. Thanks all. I got it with a cheat. Never heard of that word for lover before.

  25. Sandy,

    “Turn, Amarillis, to thy Swane,. Thy Damon calls thee back again,
    Here is a pretty Arbor by, where Apollo cannot pry,
    Here let’s sit, and while I play , sing to my Pipe a Roundelay.”

    This song by Thomas Brewer was the first song to be called a “glee” and used one of many spellings of the word.

    Shakespeare used the word in several of his plays: Loves Labour’s Lost; Henry VI Part One; The Winter’s Tale; Troilus and Cressida; and probably many more.

  26. All out but some wordplay eludes me. 4D. Not clear about the relationship between 17A and 15D. And don’t see why the first 5 letters of 14D = to make (if I’m reading it right).

    Any thoughts welcome. Thank you.

  27. Ian F
    Letters 4-7 of 15A are a synonym for 17A
    14D: first five letters are cryptically making ‘a dent’. How I saw it anyway.

  28. Thanks Carol. Unusual clue 14D, but I sort of see it now. Not sure how to account for letters 1-3 and 8 in 15A but I’m probably being more dense than usual.

    Any help on 4D still welcome, thanks.

  29. Ian F,
    4d – Curious. Apply to turn Betsy to Gamble.
    17a answer is related to 4-7 in 15a.

    14d the first 5 letters is “make”. The Thesaurus shows it as a match.

    15a 1-3 and 8 are “so”.

  30. Even harder today: printer busted!
    I can’t understand 12A whre I think letters 1,2 9 relate to “entourage”. ??

  31. Thanks Mike and Margaret. Happy with all that (though it’s certainly stretching the elastic of ‘make’ a fair way).

  32. Mike – unless I’ve misunderstood you, 12A is simply the weekly classic container clue.

  33. Thanks Ian F re 12A. I thought that is what is is. However i don’t see how “met” relates to either tarnish or entourage relate to met. Am I on the wrong track?

  34. Yes you’re on the wrong track Mike. Find and read the answer in the clue (it’s what IanF meant by container). Entourage is a container indicator (a part of the whole?)

  35. Somehow this was the easiest ever DA for me. I guess lucky it clicked, and I liked a lot of the clues. Favourite was 22a, 11a
    Had to confirm 19a and 5d on the net.
    Letters 8 – 11 in 3d = register?

  36. Ian F and Margaret:
    Am I on the same page?
    I took it as making cryptic (i.e. an anagram) the letters A D E N T – alter NATED.
    (I’ve checked with my lawyer and he says late Friday night is an acceptable time to discuss answers more openly.)

  37. Still need help with 5d….can’t reconcile the anagram suggestio “in the wings” with 15a….thx in anticipation

  38. Hi Carol

    You’re right about ADENT. For the first 5 letters it’s the less usual meaning of the word ‘make’, as in ‘to make wine from grapes’. I think, though I do find it hard to make this work without a preposition, I have to confess.

  39. Hi Croydon MAL

    You may have 15A incorrect?
    5A: Comedy = definition. Craze = 2-5. ‘To develop’ = anagrind. ‘Must dip yet l’ (eft) = anagrist, the result of which is ‘in the wings’ (or surrounding) the 4 letter craze.

  40. Ian F
    I think you’re still possibly missing the point about 14D. Leters 1-5 dont mean ‘make’. They mean ‘change’. Now, how would you make ‘a dent’ cryptically? You would ‘change nated’.
    If anyone’s still there, what’s Tarzan got to do with 2D??

  41. Viv, yeah, that was what I was trying to say (badly!)
    Paddddddddy, yes that was what I thought; although I think, going by Tarzan’s famous quote, the answer should start with M E, not I!

  42. Carol,
    I’m with you on the Tarzan thing. I was trying to add “me” as well. If you look up a Thesaurus then “make” and “alter” can be synonyms but I quite like the idea of using “alter” as an anagrind for “a dent” as well.

  43. Margaret, yes I think the anagrind idea is less of a stretch, maybe. (Although goodness knows, DA stretches clues very far, sometimes!)

  44. Despite numerous attempts I cannot get 22,11. Also missing 10a, 8d.
    Have 6d but don’t understand word play at all. Any help greatly appreciated.

  45. Hi Paul K

    22,11. Heroic orphan is the alter ego of the most famous superhero of them all. Picked up = homophone. Beer = first 3 letters. Lover = unusual, old-fashioned word and is letters 4-10.

    8D. Comeback = definition. Suitable = 1,2,3,7 – a word more associated with fruit. Letters 4-6 are the German for east.

    10A is a double definition.

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