DA Confusion for the 27th of April, 2018

Keep the fun up with this week’s DA efforts by circumventing all confusion.

77 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 27th of April, 2018

  1. Quiet this morning. Everyone like me must be finding this #%@*# hard!
    NE corner a good starting point. Good luck.

  2. Great fun here! Can’t stop laughing at 29A. Hit the ground running with first out 1A/22D. Enjoy!

  3. Agree, lots of fun. The characters were a good trick.
    To get 1A/22D you’d have to be of certain age, not that I’m giving away mine and Celia’s.
    I had to check 29A, I thought it may have been a misprint. Definitely not an ABBA setting.
    The Spoonerism was the last to fall, even though I had the musical from the beginning. It’s a goodie. Speaking of homophones, I don’t agree with 9D, but if that’s the way someone says it somewhere, I suppose it’s okay.
    I think 7D is missing a bit of the wordplay. Fortunately I knew that one.

  4. Got 1A/22D first off just from the word pattern, so made the theme clear right from the start.

    Had a few wrong guesses such as 24D – I knew that as a different, less formal 4-letter word. Which made 30A and 32A hard!

    Still, done in under 30 minutes, which is pretty good for me these days.

  5. I managed to finish it with my husband’s help but had to guess at some words and still trying to figure out the word play in a few answers. One thing that always puzzles me is the symbol used in 2D and 19D.

  6. > One thing that always puzzles me is the symbol used in 2D and 19D.

    If you are on an iPad, that’s an artefact of the digital publishing process. If you go to the “today’s paper” feature in the SHM iPad app you can see what the symbol should be, in both those cases an ellipsis. Why some show that way and some are okay is a mystery, I agree!

  7. Have about a quarter done, filled in SW corner, a few in NE. Haven’t worked out what the AABBA of 29A refers to, but a place name I’m familiar with fits into the spaces. Must Google, I guess.

  8. All out, all done, all understood. Except 26A wordplay.

    Lots of chuckles, 12A! Particularly 8D (naughty DA!) and 29A (very naughty DA!!!).

  9. Celia, in 29a letters 1-3 are the party, and 4-8 are the casino with middle letter changed. Not one of DA’s better clues, methinks. (Unless of course I’ve missed something!)

    I’ve done the lot except a couple of clues. I left them and did the sudoku, wordwit and quick crosswords, then came back for anopther look, but no joy. Any nudges re 12a and 4d/28d would be appreciated.

  10. Thanks, Geoff M

    12A Defn “you bet!!!” The Spoonerism is shout+musical (a specific one) two four letter words.

    4D/28D think of an expression “that’s not worth a …” – one version ends in “cuss”.

    Answers to each include a very mild four-letter expletive. These two four-letter words share a conceptual connection.

  11. Yes, sorted out AABBA, never seen before. Tied up with lace now (6D), found one that sounds like ‘that piece of fruit’? Can’t find anything for 11A that goes with it, so I assume is wrong?:

  12. Arthur C, 6D is a straightforward charade clue, its components “cot over”+”entangling lace” for definition “flop”.

    11A also a charade, its two components “perfectly complete”+”tribe blew” for definition “close game”.

  13. Can anybody explain 3D? We have the first three letters from oddly kinked. Also, have the word for 29A but don’t understand the AABBA reference.

  14. Steve and Di
    3d letters 4-7 = gutless church official (5 letter word, remove the middle letter).

  15. In 3d, the final four letters are a church official minus the central letter. The definition for 3d must be read in conjunction with 2d.

  16. Steve and Di were confused,
    And certainly not amused,
    Till a friend with a clue
    Said “How do you do?”
    From then on, they happily cruised.

  17. All out! This was my first time back with DA after some health problems. Nothing cures like a clever and funny clue or two, so after today’s I’m feeling much better.

  18. Impossible! I have xxxx/b-t-o for 11A, which Celia said is a charade. Means nothing to me. Time to give it away I think, too good for me.

  19. Correct except for that final O, Arthur C! Think about blowing up the tribe for that second word!

  20. I would love some help with word play for 23d and 27d….just cant see them.

    1a 22d my first in, a tell tale for my age! And it is my birthday week too.

    With thanks in anticipation…

  21. Can someone please explain what “reduced crime” has to do with the answer for 18a.

  22. CroydonMAL, 27d: letter 1 is “close to hideous” , and the rest is a mild swear word. The last word of the clue is the definition.

    23d is a little more complicated. It’s an anagram, but it’s hard to find.

  23. Hi CroydonMA and Rick

    In 27d ‘involved’ is an anagrind with the fodder including regular bits of “extras”.
    Letters 1-4 of 18A are a word for a crime reduced by removing letter(s).
    In 27d “close to” means “end of”.

  24. Well, stupid finally got 11A, after getting rid of the final o, but that ruled out my ‘governing’ in 9D, and with the cross-letters I have now, my Wordfinder says ‘No words found’. So I’m still finishing eight short.

  25. Arthur C, 9D definition is “tough”. Leave your first letter alone, think of another word along the lines of governing and that’s a homophone for the remainder.

    Your wordfinder may be using a US wordlist, so would not find this word as one letter in it is doubled!

    Also, you have the wrong Tarot card @ 18A or you’ve not worked it out yet.

  26. But found 4D, 28D. I remember similar expression from 1930s with curse as second word. ‘Not worth a …….’

  27. Sorry, Celia, no idea on Tarot Cards, but I found reference to a lunar one, it fitted the letters I had. No idea of an alternative.

  28. Well done to all you trippers who found this easy. Took us Thinktank, News, and into Gardening Australia. Phew!

  29. Stuck with the bottom right corner until I checked here and realized Al Pacino wasn’t the answer for Capone. (I thought he might have played him in a movie and acino is the letters of casino with the heart, or near enough, missing. Should have trusted that DA would have gone 2,6 in that case).

    Everything is much clearer…

  30. Well it’s getting late so hopefully a couple of tips that I can understand (DA and 12 hr shifts don’t mix well), 14d, 1d21d15ac, With 29ac I think ill wait until tomorrows solution, absolutely no idea but 14d may help although I doubt it, Spoonerisms aren’t exactly my flavour of the day either I could never understand the reasoning behind them, I mean how many times has anybody ever heard of anyone talking that way? TIA.

  31. @ Terry. 14 D double definition. A barber’s place (idiom for place) second word, is somewhere the barber does a certain kind of cut. The second definition is somewhere ( same word for place) where people get conned/fleeced.

  32. All done. Still working on some of the reasoning. I had heard a different version for 4d/28d.

  33. @ Terry, 1/21/15. Language like #*@! % is the first word. ( Language) spoken is the second word, Crawler, is the definition. An Australian reptile.

  34. Actually worked out the theme today without help, which almost never happens. Two thirds done. However, although I think I have the answer, I don’t understand the wordplay for the first word of 11A, despite reading the above. Any enlightenment would be appreciated.

  35. GeoffD, re 11A: never heard anybody say something like, “you’ve absolutely ××××ed it!”?

  36. @ Gayle thank you very much, just giving myself an uppercut here re:1/21/15 for some reason I had Ensue for 10ac.Time for a good sleep I think. But in saying that a very clever clue.

  37. @ Terry 29A, has been mentioned earlier but it’s late enough in the day, and a difficult clue to say:
    There was an Old Man of _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ t
    Who kept all his cash in a _ _ _ _ _t
    His daughter, called _ _ _
    Ran away with a man,
    And as for the b_ _ _ _ t, _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ t

    The AABBA setting is 5 line limerick with lines 1,2 and 5 rhyming with each other, and lines 3 and 4 rhyming. ie AABBA

  38. GeoffD that misdirection got me too, For a while I thought the first 4 letter word was ‘well’ or ‘full’
    But it’s the first 2 words of the wordplay that give the first word of the answer, as Celia has given a tip for.

  39. Having trouble getting a foothold into any of the “themed” clues. Any hints?

  40. @ Gayle re 29ac, thanks once again , I have heard of that Limerick but many a year ago, not sure I would have solved it without your help, the AABBA threw me I have never come across this before .

  41. The 5-character string signals an expletive is involved somehow. Some are quite, um, forward!

  42. Ah thanks Celia and Gayle. I have heard expressions like that but for some reason that meaning of the word eluded me today.

  43. @ Mark, no longer a novice, I mean you’ve been here for about 3 or 4 weeks!! :-)
    In comics or emails, when you can’t say what you really want to say, you can say #%@*# .
    But in each of the clues, where #%@*# is used, it could mean something different, but related.
    What decade were you born Mark? We could give you a hint?

  44. @ Mark : -)
    (PS I gotta say something more that adds up to at least 15 characters or my smiley won’t register here.)

  45. I visited 29a eighteen months ago. In my naïvete I wasn’t aware at the time of its notoriety for bawdy limericks!

  46. Yes Geoff it’s up there with the royal palace at the top of the bawdiest of them all in fact Gails eg is quiet tame fortunately !

  47. After reading through all of the above, I still don’t understand the word play for 29A. Firstly, I have never seen AABBA as a reference to this kind of rhyme, but more importantly, what’s threaten and climax got to do with it? I can see how an almost swear word is amongst the answer but the word play just doesn’t make sense to me. If anyone’s still out there…HELP. It’s driving me mad.

  48. Viv, the swear word in question would be the strongest and most offensive in the puzzle. The #%@*# climax, in fact. But it isn’t in the puzzle, only threatened, by the reference to a place that has an unfortunate reputation for bawdy limericks. That’s how I interpreted it.

  49. Thanks Geoff M. I looked up the definition of limerick today and it seems quite a common thing to describe a rhyming pattern of a verse using A, B etc. and this pattern for a limerick is AABBA, so happy with that. I suppose the limerick in question could easily have the last line end in a swearing exclamation that rhymes perfectly, and probably usually does.

  50. Evening DA trippers,

    Long time lurker, first time poster…. i have all out except 16d – and no one else here seems to be struggling with that one. Is there something I’m missing?

  51. Hi, Alana the Lurker, re 16D

    Here’s a parse of 16D:
    Defn. “Very last”
    “crook” letters 2-4
    “divided” inclusion indicator (to put above into …)
    “Jerusalem” letters 1, 5-7
    “meet Hezbollah ends” letters 8,9.

    Hope that helps!

  52. Long time lurker, first time poster. Finally got it out. It’s only Tuesday night! Spent three days on 7/13 and 9; then it just fell together in a moment of clarity. Many thanks for the clues and cues.

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