DA Confusion for the 2nd of December, 2016

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87 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 2nd of December, 2016

  1. SW in first, NE last. Really liked 22A, 19A, 28A , 4D , 13D and 17D. Still have a couple to backparse.

  2. The setter is not DA . The breakdown of the wordplay is 3, 5.
    Will come back if the penny is still in 28.

  3. Greetings. Late start, found only three answers as yet. Thought 10A might be anagram, but alas, seems not.

  4. Thanks Gayle, just got to work and will have another look. BTW I was having a conversation with a colleague yestetday about what type of people (professions) do cryptic. I’m a Maths teacher. So was my colleague but interestingly no English teachers at our school do cryptic- non problem solvers?

  5. Andyw @6:37. There’s a very interesting academic study published in the last year or so on cryptocruciverbalists’ occupations and solving strategies. (I’ll see if I can find it again and link it, before the weekend is out.)
    The top solvers apparently are in IT, and other jobs in the maths area, rather than languages. It fascinates me too, being a linguist by training, and hopeless at maths. But cryptics are really just a code, like algebra, which is the only area of maths I was any good at … in Year 7 : -)

  6. Don’t feel like fighting today, found eight in SW corner, that may be it for today. May look again later today.

  7. Hi Trippers,
    Does anyone know if there’s a way to get the new digital layout to print the clues with the crossword ?

  8. JupiterIsBig
    1. Screen grab the lot; or
    2. Download individual .ashx components, insert into Paint (“paste from”) etc. etc., print from there.
    3. ditto but insert into Publisher file (haven’t tried this).
    4. as for 2 or 3 but use screen grabs of individual components.
    4. Just print the grid, read clues off screen
    Must say being able to now access quickly on my phone with little fuss is great!

  9. All out, most understood, but can’t relate 18A answer to wordplay. Can anyone hint at parsing, please.

    Loved 14A, 21D, 22A, 28A, … and 13D once it hit me in the face!

  10. 18A: 3rd letter is the key
    SW corner fully out; rest is still obscure

  11. I just size the ones I want on my iPad and take a screen shot. Then go to my photos and select and print to my air printer.

  12. Oh, what a tolc! Why didn’t I instant;y get 1, 20D? Sidetracked by the seven, of which there are a few in the Bible. So have small progress. Is the 1D family from TV? No idea. Similarly, the band of 10A? I guess I’m just too old. A dozen in, out now for next five hours or so, will check back later.

  13. Never heard 4d in that context; a guy from West Virginia gave me some once: terrible stuff.

  14. Hayley, a lot of Folkies and Songwriters are cryptic fans. Mic Conway once told me that all songwriters should learn.

  15. Arthur C. re 1D
    Only one proper noun in today’s, Arthur, and another that used to be, but neither are family names nor 1D. You have the first letter of the family there!

  16. Could I possibly get a little bit more of a hint on the reasoning behind 18A? Many thanks!

  17. Boy 6A is painful.
    Liked 18A & 22A today, not clear on the wordplay for 10A- I can see the fuss and the definition and it all fits but still.

  18. Black Pen re 10A
    Not 100% here, but “plenty of fuss” letters 1-5; “fancies recital [homophone indicator]” 6-11.

  19. Yes andyw, that’s the article. I imagine it would appeal to you from a maths perspective. I also liked the section on Hobbies of cryptic crossword setters and solvers.

  20. SB re 12A
    “bores” is inclusion indicator for “see” letters 4-7 inside “trim” letters 1-3, 8-9

  21. Another ex-Maths teacher here! Will read the article mentioned above.
    While I have an answer for everything, in spite of having the wrong Greek for ages, I’m not sure I can help SB. However, the definition for 22A is the first two words and for 12A is the last word.

  22. Alice re 21D & 29A
    21D tricky: start with a 5-letter synonym of 27D [Italian/Spanish] “scratching head” for letters 1-2,5-6
    defn “at home with” is a colloquial usage!
    29A anagram with 1 letter removed, defn 1st two letters.

  23. Aha. Thanks Celia and Anne – got it. I had 5D last letters reversed, which led me astray for 12A.
    (PS nice to see you again Arthur C)
    Until next week.

  24. Just got to this over lunch. Thought I’d better add to the stats. Ex-maths teacher!

  25. Thanks for the hints on 10 and 22A, we had the answers but not the reasons.
    One maths teacher and one doctor.

  26. Well, back sfter five hours, made slight5 progress. LHS now complete, RHS largely MT. Eleven answers still to find.

  27. Down to final two, a pair of sixes. Not much of a poker hand, but finishes me for today. Adios.

  28. I believe that 16D would be better served by “judge” than “judges”

  29. Jack re 16D
    Both are OK, but I feel your version would disturb the smooth surface of the clue as printed!

  30. Andyw – I am at The Genius Bar at Apple . Do you want me to conduct a survey of them?

  31. Come on Arthur, nearly there…
    defn = cemetery
    upstanding setter = type of setter (eg Irish) reversed
    shortly revered = synonym of revered

    defn = casually must
    stab = not the blade type, letters 1, 2
    tyrant’s bottom = letter 3
    cheers = letters 4,5

  32. Forgive the digression – but JulieW I’m a BIG fan – have been rescued many times.
    And back to Andyw’s survey – I’m a public lawyer

  33. Dom @ 3:51 re 6D
    A truncated synonym of “revered”, thus not a synonym. Except, maybe, in French???

  34. Another ex maths teacher. All my maths colleagues at 27a did cryptics, plus a lot of us wrote poetry and a fair number were musicians.

  35. Jupiter is big
    Sorry when I said how I print crossword – I do it from the facsimile edition

  36. Ex classics undergraduate, now in advertising. At the J Walter Thompson agency they used to give copywriting candidates the Times crossword to complete instead of an interview. Mind you, that was in the days of print advertising, before TV made the industry primarily visual. Now they’d ask them to construct a bot.

  37. Really truly I’m a psycho – linguist : – )
    Andy, you’ve started something here, we’ve all got to know each other a whole lot better.
    Now I know why Sheepish is … well, sheepish. My dad who died this year at nearly 90 left school at 11 to work on the sheep farm, but he had a great sense of word – play.
    And ArthurC’s gone quiet, but I know he’s a polymath.
    The muso folkie thing Kennett mentioned also resonates.

  38. Hi all,
    Just got back to the list and it’s fantastic to see about each other’s background and interests. Thanks for sharing.
    PS not only a maths teacher, also a Chemistry grad, Collingwood supporter, cricket fan, generally lover of anything sport, well travelled but most importantly love a challenge!

  39. long time tripper, first time commenter. I’ve only just got the confidence up to tackle DA – slowly but surely!

    history major, now a theatre worker tackling the puzzle of Wagner’s ring cycle.

    still haven’t got it all out, but happy to mull over for the week, thanks to one and all for the help.

  40. The ESL teacher staggers over the finish line after midnight, only to find all the IT and maths people have gone home hours ago.(Following on the theme started by Celia in the first comment.)

  41. All out with coming to the site. Slightly put out by 28a as I originally had a pole that is contained in the clue. (Silly me)

  42. All out and understood. 6a was the last. I’m a Senior Network Architect.

  43. Anaesthetist (retired), bridge player, poetry and literature lover, DA fan.

  44. Anyone able to send me or link me up this welts DA? Website issues. (I’m in London so no paper). Thanks. J (designer)

  45. Not sure what this means, but I’m a lawyer; but that was never really planned and I started out studying maths and physics before dropping out when life got in the way.

  46. Fascinating that this week’s Confusion out of the blue brought forth all these confessions of profession. Me, I 21D be an Engineer but that was my 15A state, for which I certainly do not 12A, and I am now 18A by working life, and am accordingly much 25A. I found my 13D early and am still a fair way from 6D with a fair bit of 26D left!
    I dabble in being one of those Folk(ie)s Kennett referred to at 8.41 on Saturday in his reply to Hayley (Where/what was her post, incidentally? It doesn’t come up in the thread (I’ve noticed this before)) I thought there’d be as many confessions of that as there were of profession! Come on!
    I do recommend no confessions of sporting team followed, though (Andyw!) – we want to keep this a friendly site!

  47. @johnno2 – bravo LOL
    And I’m a folkie too. Only sport I follow is the fun kind.
    I wondered about Hayley. Hayley? Hayley? Who the heck is Hayley? Fess up Kennett.
    Kennett Ex Premier and President of Hawthorn? (sorry johnno) Currently leading The Pursuit of Happiness?

  48. Gayle
    I think Kennett’s autocorrect corrected Kennett and so Kennett’s attempt to type “Gayle” was autoincorrected to “Hayley”! See, lassie¹, Kennett was responding there to your post about cruciverbalists’ day jobs!

    1. Couldn’t resist this awful pun!

  49. Alternative comment site “DA for the …” is probably more appropriate for sharing personal information than here, for sorting-out confusions!

  50. Talking about your profession and having a good chinwag is very appropriate. No alternative site is necessary.

    I’m a computer programmer and in my spare time I run this site.

  51. Before the day is out Celia and I see you’ve already posted for tomorrow,. Got the Haile Selassie pun. And also figured that Hayley might have been Kennett’s autocorrect,
    Just a bit of humour. No reveal from Celia Fate? That’s okay.
    Antonios is hiding his light under a bushel.

  52. Gayle, posted for tomorrow to trigger notifications for subsequent posts. Retired Librarian, OAP, 2JJ relief producer/presenter 1975, community broadcaster 1989-present, Science graduate 1981 Maths/Computer Science majors.

  53. Wow, Celia , a true polymath. Those were the days .. JJ in the 70s, not that I was around much… overseas listening to pirate radio. But JJ was sort of like that then.

  54. Gayle
    Yes, and some great now late people were my friends, Mac Cocker recently, and Tony Barrel a few years back now.

    As for being a polymath, you know what they say, “Jack of all trades, master of none!”

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