116 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 17th of April, 2015

  1. Thanks Ray, I thought it might have been an extra tricky DA clue, with an answer like “missing question”!!

  2. Have all out and understood except for last 3 letters of 15A. Can see connection but cannot completely nail down the exact meaning.
    In general thought DA was a bit too obtuse today – 13A, 22A, 25A, 7D – and then 5D/24A which employ same “trick”.
    Thought some clever – eg: 1A, 2D
    And a couple in between – 18/26A, 16D
    And think 14A would have been better with “… having NO strings attached”.

  3. I wonder if the writer of the plaintive Letter today is aware of this site? Haven’t progressed far as yet. Had wondered about the 14D/A. Need that one to get really going, I think.

  4. Ray at 6:59.
    I think last three letters refer to “you” [as the reader].

    3 to go, all in NE corner.

  5. This numbskull is totally baffled. 14A? Must start with the letter ‘for sis’, but can’t work out remainder. So can’t get 2D. So can’t get, etc, etc.

  6. Arthur, 14A does not start with “for sis”. Think of flash as in “I’ll get this is a flash”. This gives first two letters of answer.

  7. I do so like these themed puzzles although I know that others hate them.

    Particularly liked the potential misdirection in 18/26A as I first read the definition as “sexy 2-down”.

  8. Brian – thank you. That did not come up in my “translator” – all I was getting was plural / collectives.

  9. Ian (from Cross Word Club) – 25A – convoluted:
    “A” = letter 1.
    “nerd in essence fled …” removes 2 letters from “Rollerball”.
    First 4 of remaining letters gives synonym for letters 2,3,4.
    Last 4 of remaining letters gives synonym for letters 5,6,7,8,9 (as you know).
    Defn “plenty”

  10. Thanks, Mort. You maybe too young to remember the comic alphabet: A for ‘orses, B for mutton, C for yourself, (hence, M for sis). Haven’t really understood your helpful hint. Will ponder it. Going out, so maybe no more till pm.

  11. Rainy morning in Sydney
    All the better as its going to be some time for me I think…
    Only have 6d and 28a so far
    No idea for 2d ….

  12. Arthur C – 14a does start with “for sis” – my father was familiar with Flanagan and Allen – a for ‘orses; b for mutton; c for highlanders; etc. Mort is also right in that 14a starts with a two-letter word for flash, the second being “for the garden wall”. It was the first clue I got, after trying a couple of different photographic brands as directed by the clue.

  13. Almost there. Stuck on22A and 21D. Nor am I entirely sure about word play for second word of 7D.

  14. Dave, 22A definition is “rubber”. 21D are usually worn by men (or elephants).

  15. Sudden inspired guess gave me 18-26A, connected to 27A gave me 2D, all done but five in NE corner. Leave that till later, lunchtime.

  16. Dave R: 7D – “One busting moves” inserts a letter into a 6 letter word for “moves” for letters 1,2,3,4,5,6,7.
    “cross” gives a 4 letter hybrid for letters 8,9,12,13.
    “dressing” = container / positioner.
    “going outside” gives 2 letters for letters 10,11.
    “era’s regular” gives 2 letters for letters 14,15.
    defn = “2-down”.

  17. Well, that was enjoyable enough.

    8d was new to me.

    I don’t really like how 14 across (not down) relates to 2d. The definition in 14a is both the wrong part of speech and technically not necessarily accurate. (On my admittedly limited, though keen, observation over a lifetime.) Unless DA is attempting some kind of innovative two-part definition structure across the two clues. If so, I still don’t like it.

  18. Thanks, Mort and Ray. 7D is so convoluted that one would have to work backwards from having got the answer from the definition and cross letters. There are a few obtusish ones like this today, as you observed above, Ray.

  19. AG, I just typed the answer to 14A into a search engine and the first response showed one held up by strings. As for the clue, I think that it reads perfectly: flash = 1-2; one camera recalled gives the balance.

  20. Hello everyone! Kyle and I (David) are Uni students who love munching our way through a crossword in the morning. However we don’t get up as early as Ray. Unbeknownst to the fine people of this forum, you have helped KAD (Kyle and Dave) crack the chestnut that is a Friday crossword. My hearty thanks to you all, we are the silent partners you never knew you had. Now, let’s talk turkey – can anyone aid KAD with 14A. We have ascertained the theme of today’s cryptic and even cracked 2d, 7d and other thematically related clues however are a little stuck on 14D.

  21. KAD, think of “in a flash” to give a two-letter abbreviation for 1-2. Then think of a camera brand (Paul Simon sang about it). Then you have ONE XXXX reversed for the balance of the clue. The answer is a type of 2D, held up with strings.

  22. Stumbled on that answer over 40 minutes ago, but had never heard of that particular thing. Cheers

  23. 7 down just had to be there by definition I suppose but I wish it wasn’t because I hate the despicable cad most famous for wearing such

  24. Finally back, little progress. Re 5A? i could see second word, first one I had to look for, had never heard of him, nor the two-word term (but then I’m TT). So, four to go. Next problem, the explorer. If Aussie, I probably should know, but I don’t. More looking to do.
    Jack R, I know the original had Seaforth Highlanders, we modified it to ‘C for yourself’.

  25. Arthur, the explorer in 13A did explore Australia but watch for the word “caught” – it does not indicate the letter C but modifies the name of the explorer.

  26. Thanks, Mort, just found that one by looking at list of themed items. I’m being re-educated. Similarly, 8D, if I have it correct, had never heard it other than as a lady’s name. Have only 5D and 11A to get, my Wordfinder has nothing to offer on either, almost certainly things I’ve not heard of.

  27. Well, 14a took me forever even with your clues as I also wasn’t cognisant of that particular type

  28. CF, 5A first word is a bushranger (unknown to me before today); second word is “outlaw”. definition is last three words: no MasterCard or Visa. That should help with 5D, definition is last two words.

    8D definition is “leaves” as in flora.
    9D definition is “retreat”.
    10A double definition; discs are not playable.
    13A – see comments to Arthur above.

  29. wow! I had to learn a few new words to complete this. In the case of 8D, I learnt two new words. Not much of a day in Sydney for the theme!

  30. All out. 5a and 5d last ones in. With 5a once I realised “tender” didn’t mean intimate, it all made sense. With 5d though I don’t get how one gets the 3rd letter from “colourless”?

  31. I’m confused about 3D. I have most letters and I think I know a chunk of it (one impression) but the pieces aren’t fitting for me. Any hints?

  32. CC, 3D definition is last three words – think policing. The NZ mascot is NOT a kiwi. “One gives first letter; “impression” gives 2-4 (but not 5!) and 9.

  33. Stuck on 22A, despite earlier assistance and having all the cross letters! Also unsure about 19a. It appears to be an anagram but that doesn’t fit what I have! Any help??

  34. Not a clue.
    Can’t get 14a despite reading all the above hints, knowing the camera Paul Simon sang about, understanding the comic alphabet and going through several word search websites, still can’t come up with a word that makes any sense. Am completely lost on all the other clues to. Might try later after a nap and a feed

  35. Kes – 19A – is an anagram. So if it doesn’t fit, you must have a “down” incorrect (guess by me?? – 17D is not “two”).
    22A – “Comic twist” = letters 1,6,7. “involves” = container / positioner. “lasses splitting sides” removes first and last letters for letters 2,3,4,5. Defn = “rubber” (not eraser).
    Hope helps.

  36. Kes, 22A definition is a person, as in “rubber”. Clue is very convoluted: a three-letter word roughly meaning “comic” is reversed around “lasses splitting sides”.

    19A pitches indicates anagram of “clues Don”. It’s an old word meaning “obscures”.

  37. Thanks Mort – I’ve now got 22A! Still unsure with 19A. The anagram I get for “clues Don” doesn’t mean “obscured” and the only word I can fit with the letters I have means the opposite of that (and is not an anagram). I may have have one of the down answers wrong.

  38. Thanks Ray, also! Judging by your hint, I’ve 17D correct. I think 7D is “prime-ministerial”, as it were!

  39. nn. The only hint I can think of for 14A is that half of it relates to a method of recording on early vinyl records and some reel-to-reel tapes. That might give you a syllable.

  40. Ray – this means 16 and 20D may be wrong, but I suspect not. Think I need to go home, have a beer and watch the mighty Saints get beaten!!

  41. Kes – 19A – you have the right anagram fodder. The word “Quaintly” indicates to me an older word – which may be a bit harder to find in a finder. Since you have all down letters, from your finder, move 1 to 6, 6 to 8, 7 to 1 and 8 to 7.

  42. Thanks Ray – that was a great help! I’m still going to go home and have a beer and watch my team lose, but I’ll feel that bit happier! Cheers.

  43. It’s even colder in Melb than Syd today. Help please in the N E corner , with beef, tomatoes and fruit. Then I might get the explorer too! Thanks all .

  44. julie – 6D – double defn – “Direct” and “source of beef”.
    8D – Defn = “Leaves” (as in foliage). As for “tomato” it is a type for letters 1,2,3,4.
    5D – yeah – never heard of it. “Leading consumer” = letter 1. “a” = letter 2. “bleat” = letters 5,4,6. “colourless stone” = letter 3.
    13A – the first 4 letters are a homophone (“caught”) of a 6 letter Australian explorer.

    Hope helps.

  45. Indigo, 16D four letter word for work with the shirt (one letter) relegated gives 1-4. Balance sounds like secure (can also be applied to a ship).

    4D Drawing closer gives letter 1. 2-4 are young male. Second word is “assistant”. Definition is last three words.

  46. As for the last few weeks I have got through, but too late to contribute to he forum. Thanks for the bit of help I got from here.

  47. Indigo, if you haven’t heard of the word for young male, I think you must have the wrong word. Could also be clued ‘left present’.

  48. Indigo -16 d – 1st 4 letters – ‘work’ with the (single letter) ‘shirt’ moved from top to bottom. Last 4 letters a homophone for ‘secure’.
    -4d – a phrase , made of drawing closer(1) then young male (3) then ‘assistant'(4).
    Hope that helps.

  49. had a nap and a feed, brain is much more with it now. Had misinterpretted the hint above and only tried to reverse the camera, not one camera, so all the letters I’d put in were shifted one to the right, making it rather difficult. I guess that gives me a bit of a hint as to what the theme may relate to, time to press onwards.

  50. I am amazed that none of you used Nigella as a hint for my last in , 13a. It’s nice when last in is one of the best! Thanks Ray for the help.

  51. Got 10 answers out, some just because they fit the theme, will take a while to understand the wordplay for them, but lots of blanks still. Tough going today.

  52. Julie, I love Nigella but I’m trying to erase that image of her in a 13A from my memory!

  53. Bring on tomorrow. You’d have a good laugh if I posted what I finished with as 5D and 11A. Google doesn’t recognise them but despite hints above, cannot fathom those two. Closing for today, the old man is weary.

  54. Don’t think much of 7d for two reasons.
    1. The wordplay is ludicrously convoluted and I’d never have got it without Ray’s explanation above.
    2. I can’t get that awful image of the red ones out of my mind.

    Have 11 answers now, really slowing down, might be better off joining Kes and watching the footy.
    Might be back at half time.

  55. Arthur, at least you are able to put in something for 5d and 11a. I have only one cross letter in each of those, so can’t even hazard a guess.

  56. nn, dunno if you’re familiar with Jacques Brel but he could help with the “pothead nirvana” in 11A.

  57. Never heard of him Mort. Googling him reveals a mass of information that I don’t have time to read.

  58. Mort, Jacques Brel hasn’t helped me either with 11a. That, and 10a and 3d are the remaining mysteries for me, despite above hints. For 10 I’m think of the body but can’t see how ‘bottle’ relates.

  59. Got 11a from the cross letters and the def, don’t understand the wordplay.
    SB if you google Jacques Brel he apparently wrote something by that name, although as he’s Belgian, you’d think it would have been Brussels.

  60. Can only find one fruit to fit 5d, but I don’t think it is a stone fruit. Apart from the first letter, I’ve no idea of the wordplay for this one either.

  61. oops I meant 3d (not 4d). Thanks nn for 11a. Cute. That leaves 3d.
    for 5d, ‘mounting a bleat’ gives 2,4,5,6; ‘colourless stone’ gives 3

  62. nn, Jacques Brel is my favourite songwriter/singer, and he did write a song called Brussels although it was called Bruxelles on the record.

  63. SB, 3D “one impression” gives letters 1-4 and 9. The rest are a NZ mascot – a small green, jade trinket that you feel obliged to buy when in the “land of the wrong white crowd” – or something like that.

  64. nn, 5D is not a stone fruit (despite my much earlier post). Stone lacking colour gives letter 3 in the answer. “Leading consumer” gives first letter and “a bleat about” gives the rest. Sheep bleat…

  65. Thanks SB sort of makes sense. I’m assuming mount means reading up. I’d interpreted it as mount meaning the leading consumer was on top of the rest of it, but apparently not.

  66. if about is the reversal indicator, what indicates that the colourless stone is contained in a bleat about?

  67. nn, something that is colourless lacks something. In music, one could say that it lacks XXXX which are four letters in the word “stone”. Pretty weak clue, I agree …

  68. I get the colourless stone bit, just a bit confused about what the reversal indicator is and what the containment indicator is. I don’t think about should do double duty here, so am going with SB’s take on mounting meaning going up as the reversal indicator and about as the containment indicator. Am getting a bit sick of all the reversed words (and bits of words) in this crossword. He seems to be doing it a lot lately, and they aren’t usually any help in working out the answer, you can often only see what he was on about after you have the answer, not good cryptic clues IMHO.

  69. nn, I agree that “mounting” indicates reversal. “about” indicates that it is around the “colourless stone”. Yes, this is another clue that can only be parsed after getting the answer.

  70. 18d is a termite eater, termites aren’t ants, even though we sometimes incorrectly call them that.

  71. nn I neglected to mention the work that ‘leading consumer’ does – agree that it gives the first letter; and everything else as above. I quite liked it, AND learnt a new word. In fact I quite enjoyed this one overall.

  72. Just put in what I’m pretty sure is the right answer for 17d. No idea about the dictator, and am assuming second word is homophone of a word suggesting truce, but where’s the homophone indicator??

  73. nn, 17D “dictator” means “sound like”. Achieved truce could sound like the answer, although I don’t pronounce the first word of the answer the same way as I pronounce W-O-N.

    Dodgy homophone alert.

  74. was mislead by an earlier comment about the dictator and went looking for one, obviously that is the homophone indicator!

  75. Cross posts Mort, agree, the homophone is a bit dodgy, which is probably why I didn’t understand it.

  76. Celia F, and I dare say week after week tail-enders answer questions already answered. It’s ok. Isn’t it? Bonne nuit … a la prochaine

  77. They might have been answered but it doesn’t mean everyone understood the initial explanations.

  78. Mention of.Jacques Brel reminded me of the 1975 movie ” Jacques Brel is alive and well and living in Paris.” If you ever get a chance to see it, don’t bother; I actually paid to see it in 1975 and was bored beyond belief.

  79. Mort and nn, if you are back, there is nothing dodgy about the homophobe indicator in 17d. You neglected the apostrophe ‘s’. It is “dictator’s”, not just “dictator”. That makes all the difference – those words as from someone dictating them.

  80. Sandy, I wasn’t complaining about the homophone indicator: just the fact that, in my world, ONE and WON are not homophones.

  81. Dare I ask what a burqini is?
    I don’t know how anyone could get 7D from the clue. I chanced upon the answer and then worked back, but even then it was a struggle.

  82. Ray wrote 16 hours ago that he thought 2D was clever – so it must be. But I don’t get the wordplay apart from the anagram.

    Is the reference to the non-existent 14-down intentional? If it is a mistake and DA meant 14-across then I very much share AG’s dislike of having two clues that refer to one another.

  83. Mort: that’s a strange world IMO. I’m definitely on DA’s side there.

    Thanks for all the tips, everyone. This was the first DA I completed (in partnership with a much stronger friend) and I thought many clues were excellent. All remaining uncertainties about wordplay are now resolved.

  84. Mike re 2D a cryptic clue with the answer “costume” could be “Swimming some cut”, with “swimming” indicating an anagram, and “some cut” as the fodder. I agree with Ray, a very clever clue.

  85. “tail enders”??
    Didn’t realise this was a competitive site, thought it more of a support group?

  86. Yes, pjhtko, it is a support forum; that’s why that comment didn’t get any bites except a couple of gentle comments. Maybe she’ll get the message. We’ve had aggressive trolls on here before, so most regulars know when to ignore provocation.

  87. Thanks pjhtko
    Some of us still work full time and don’t get to start until much later in the day, sometimes even the next day. The support and discussions are useful to us to, no matter what time of day it is. As I said above sometimes we ask for further clarification after having read the earlier posts and not understanding the initial hints.
    If CF had read my first post at 5.03 pm yesterday, I clearly stated that I was still lost even after reading all the hints. I made a similar point last week following the same complaint by CF then. Pity cf doesn’t take his/her own advice and read the earlier comments before posting…

    To all the rest of you, thanks for the help.

  88. One really has us stumped . . . “burkini” and “burqini” seem to both be valid for what is after all a coined word, and we opted for the former.

    We presume the clue relates to Robert O’Hara Burke and “in one” gives us the “ini”, but can’t see where the cutting of the “e” of Burke is indicated . . . does “caught” explain it? But where does the “q” come from?

    What are we missing?

  89. SPG and SGB, “caught” is a homophone indicator, as in “did you catch what I said”. So whether you plump for Burk or Burq, both answers would be valid. I entered the answer with a Q as I understand that it’s a corruption of Burqa and Bikini, but I see that the internet offers both as valid. I didn’t check what DA had used.

  90. Thanks Mort – our hearts sink when everything matches but one letter!

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