DA Confusion for the 9th of May, 2014

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147 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 9th of May, 2014

  1. Where are you early birds? It’s 2pm here in Canada and I need some hints. Wake up Rupert! Aren’t you normally finished by now?

  2. Alas, Pru, since Fairfax quintupled the price of an online subscription last year, I’m dependent on Gayle’s kindness in sending me a copy of the crossword. She gets up pretty early by Australian standards, but it’s still coffee time over here before I get started.

  3. Prufrock – I am AUS, and currently in USA. Have most out. Can I assist?

  4. Struggling with all of the NW corner despite having cracked the code, Ray

  5. Just arriving in Montreal now, need to suspend operations for a few hours.

  6. Hints:

    1a: for “key”, think Florida
    1d: the computer is the obvious three-letter one
    4d: A bit of Australian rhyming slang

  7. Late start, got four in fairly easily (14A of course, but not 16) but no sign of further progress.

  8. Has DA been watching Masterchef? A very enjoyable puzzle but pretty easy once 14A/16A was solved.

  9. All done, a good one today. Enjoyably tricky.
    If someone can explain the link between 6D and 18D/16A I’d be grateful.

  10. Andy W, I couldn’t think of any word that goes with 14A except sauce, and that’s a letter short. I’m guessing I need a word that precedes 14A, but can’t think of one.
    Re 6D, the word I have in seems too technical to be the correct one, first part suggesting ripped? May have 10A wrong, what a doctor does?

  11. Enjoyed this very much today. I do like a theme – especially when I get it.
    Black Pen: if you Google your answer to both 6D and 18D there is a connection between them. I couldn’t have understood it before that.
    Andy W: the first clue I answered was 25A ! I think we’ve had a similar clue before.

  12. Where’s an easy newbie friendly one to get me started? I can’t make sense of 14A 0r 16A and it seems to run the whole puzzle. OH I just got 1A – thanks for the FL hint, Ian!

  13. Can someone help with 14A/16A I gather it’s something to do with food but am stumped

  14. Catherine: I had never heard of 13A but the definition is peer-to-peer.
    20D is another type of 14A soundalike and 21D is related to its shape.

  15. Catherine, 13a first four words (hyphens separating three of them) is def. I am not sure of all the word play myself. I am hoping others might chip in with 20 and 21 d, as I am stumped on them too

  16. Thanks Ann. Shouldn’t 21d be more like ‘cuts back Donegal winger’s drug’?

  17. Like Sandy, I can’t see the parsing for 21D. Nor 18D. Can someone explain, please?

  18. Sandy – 21D – it works as it is for me ie: “cuts” = container – so “Donegal wingers” “cut” a word for “back”.

  19. Being a 14a myself, I had high hopes when I saw so much depended on it. But although I like what it sounds like too, I have found my knowledge in that area sadly lacking. Nevertheless I have almost finished. Only 7d, 10a and 25a to go. Even word finder and all cross letters has left me puzzling the latter. Any hints?

  20. AG – 18D – a 3 letter word for “tabloid”. a 6 letter word for “fiddle”. Now “Offenders” gives a 2 letter word for letters 1,2 and a 5 letter word for letters 3,4,5,6,7.

  21. Agh! – silly me. Especially re 18D – I was convinced “fiddle” was an anagram indicator. Thanks, Ray and Sandy. I can go and mow happily now.

  22. AG you beat me to the mowing! I have got 7d and 10a now. But still can’t make out 25a. Any help out there?

  23. Sandy. My take on 20d Is American letters 23, crook letters 456, protection letters 7,1. !

  24. Thanks Warren. I had that ages ago. More strictly 7,1 is ‘given standing protection’ isn’t it?

  25. Only puzzle left to me now is the wordplay of 13a. I have a type of rest as letters 1-3. But don’t understand 4-7. I’ll go and On my way! and look forward to enlightenment on my return.

  26. That’s 12a mort. 13a letters 4-7 is a 5 letter word less its rear for offering!

  27. Stupid old man. Eventually saw 16A. Had been looking for a word for church with first letter (Genesis) removed. Now only six to go, all in SE corner.

  28. Finally all filled in, don’t know how many are wrong.
    Stuart, the clue to 16A is a synonym for genesis. See my post above (9.32) which gives (unwittingly) a clue.

  29. Finally got 14A/16A and have realised that he’s playing a bit with them to get the theme

  30. Thanks again to all the usual suspects. Just about done with a little help from my cryptic friends.

  31. Back from mowing and spraying weeds. Thanks Warren for 13a. But can’t see any tailless word for offering there. I think 4-7 must be a word for back with less offered (ie one letter short)

  32. All done except NE corner. Mystified by some word play, however. 11A, 13A, for example, and I guess DA is seeing the first word of the clue for 9A as a synonym for letters 1-3. That seems a tad tenuous to me.

    Any help with 7D or 10A would be appreciated.

  33. 10a-a druggies word for a number, modified as per the last three words. Def is first word.

  34. Dave, re 7D – the alien used to be a TV show – first three letters; last four mean “makeover”

  35. 11a – first word of clue is def. first three letters of answer are a Shakespearean word for problem. Then a suffix that makes it like that rather than actually that.

  36. Dave, 11a is a word for problem (as in ‘there’s the …’) with an ending often given when something is like something else.

  37. 9a first three letters can have first word as a synonym. Then a type of horse ‘westward’ rather than eastward like most words, astride ‘on’

  38. Thanks, AndrewT and Mort. The only TV alien I’ve heard of co-starred with Mindy, and he doesn’t fit. I’m guessing from the cross letters that the rest of the word is an ugly abbreviation. Have no idea of what word would fit the theme; obviously outside my culinary experience.

    I wouldn’t have thought that the three letter word as used by Hamlet was a particularly good synonym for problem, but I suppose it’s OK at a pinch.

    Aha! I have 10A. I’d been thinking of one word as an adjective not as a verb.

  39. Thanks, too, to Sandy. My comment was mysteriously delayed so I only read yours afterwards. It looks as if I’ll have to resort to Dr Google’s hoard of knowledge for 7D.

  40. Well, well, I’ve been eating it all my life and didn’t know it was called that. I was wrong about the penultimate letter; the correct answer is more acceptable. Never heard of the alien, though. There’s always something new to learn with DA.

  41. Ian – you said:

    1d: the computer is the obvious three-letter one

    You must be younger than me – the obvious three-letter one for me was IBM!

  42. Really? Can you really make ravioli out of that root vegetable? We thought we must have something wrong. Thanks

  43. Rupert, I think it’s the old gravity/compass equation. Think maps on walls.

  44. I have read all the above, but I still can’t see how to get Letters 4-7 of 13A. I understand the rest of the puzzle, but I found some quite difficult.

  45. Dan, ‘plague’ is an anagram indicator for letters 2-8, while ‘paid outsiders’ gives you letters 1 & 9. The answer means to be barred (e.g. from a group).

  46. Damned if I can get anywhere on 14 ac or 16 ac. Have guessed a few thanks to hints above, but would love to get the theme soon. TIA.

  47. Jack, I have the same problem re 13A, though I also don’t get the word-play of 11A… Other than that it was a fun puzzle after the theme came out. Not too tricky after a few weeks away from DA.

  48. Jack, look for an anagram of letters – being 4-7 of 13a. Good luck filling your pasta quota!

  49. I’m still struggling with 14A – tense dork content? Even with the hint of definition is first word, and the three options I find in the thesaurus to go with cross letter for 7D I still don’t see how any work with those three options. This is making me one tense dork, let me tell you. And how it fits with food? I’ve answered 10 clues so far which is my best effort yet without Saturday’s key to cheat from.

  50. …These are homophones aren’t they. I’m so very dreadful at spotting them. I think I have these now. Thank you Warren!

  51. The truly sad part is, I have a Northeast American accent. This should’ve been second nature.

  52. Jack.
    I think letters 4-7 of 13A come from a 5 letter word meaning “Back” (think boats). “Less” of that word means drop its last letter. “Rest” clues letters 1-3. I don’t agree with Selena’s anagram interpretation above although I did go down that path myself earlier. Definition is the 1st 5 words (although I thought it was banned years ago).

    11A is a bit of a pun. Effectively a descriptive term for an old 3 letter word meaning problem (as has been alluded to in earlier comments).

    I am finally finished (without coming here first for once but I did have to look up some of the 14A 16A’s). However I don’t get the wordplay for 9A nor the last 5 letters of 14D?

  53. Jack and Luke, first three letters of 13A are a synonym for “rest”. Older people often need one in the afternoon.

  54. Julian, 9A “ride” is letters 1-3, the balance is a reversed horse around the word “on”.

    14D last five letters are from a word for “state” (think legal sense) plus A

  55. Thanks Mort. Was thinking one of the 2 letter abbreviations for a US State in 14D which wasn’t helping!

  56. Neil, 14A has already been addressed by Warren. 16A definition is “genesis”. Letters 1-4 mean “off” (as in milk) plus a common abbreviation for church. If you then speak aloud 14A and 16A, it gives you the theme.

  57. Dan, 27A definition is “barred”. Answer is an anagram (plague) of “cure led” and paid outsiders.

  58. Was a good puzzle today. Till next week unless i have difficulty tomorrow or Sunday. Take care.

  59. Thanks Julian. I had a break to have dinner and, during the course of eating, what you say did suddenly strike me. I can now rest peacefully.

  60. 2 Agree with Rupert. North is superfluous especially as “up” is given. The clue needs reworking to avoid giving the second word as part of the clue.
    18 I query the use of “enders” to indicate the last letters of words so that offenders = off enders (ie take the ends from). There is no such word except in words like tail-enders. A question mark would have improved matters by indicating the non-standard use of offenders.

  61. No query with 18 at all. He uses this disguise regularly. Agree with 2. North wasn’t necessary.

  62. Thanks for suggestions above. Is the only meal I cook. Have been out at daughter’s debating this evening, so will resume engagements with DA tomorrow.

  63. I’m hopeless with spoonerisms. Can someone help with this. Bucks folded into Spooner’s weeping channel. 4/4. 3rd letter a, 6th letter u

  64. Incredibly, had it all correct!
    Warren, been trying to work out which clue in which puzzle you are trying to solve. But the answer is obviously tear duct! (deer tucked). I’ve seen that one somewhere recently, but where?

  65. Hi Warren, just realised that it was in today’s DS. I’m stilll two short on that, 1A and4D.

  66. That’s funny as they were the last two i guessed 1a def is grave and 4 d mine was a total guess for conference.

  67. Same here Arthur and Warren, 4D last one in. Had to go to Onelook and then an etymylogical dictionary. It’s Bantu/Zulu. Could have done with a tip in that direction. And the parsing/wordplay wasn’t easy. But don’t want to be too picky. I enjoy DS.

  68. Easiest (and best) DA for a while, after that I thought were a few tough ones lately. I just don’t understand 2D (the second part of my answer is given on the clue). Have I made a mistake there? It doesn’t seem very cryptic to me. Can anyone enlighten me please?

  69. David S (not David Sutton?)
    2D Not a mistake, unless it’s DA’s. He appears to have broken one or two of his cardinal rules. Unless there’s something we’re all not seeing.

  70. Warren, thanks for indaba. Could not work out what conference was in the clue for, but indaba is a Zulu word for “meeting of the minds”.

  71. Hey Warren. Today’s all out but don’t get wordplay for 8D if I have answer correct.

  72. Gayle, re 8D in 11/05/2014 cryptic… “brought facts to light”=definition; “once” = letters 1,2; “one took a stand” = letters 3,4,5,6,7;

  73. Hi Gayle. I must have something wrong. Can’t work 1a or 6d. 8d desisting. Sides*gnit<

  74. Thanks Neil and Alan G but it’s 8D in SMH Cryptic 11 May I was after.

    Warren, thanks, I got desisting, but I still don’t get the wordplay. So is shady an anagrind? and tin is money?
    1A Old fashioned word for wait is letters 1,9, 10,11. A court letters 2,3,4 and I’m not sure about letters 5-8 but googling that man’s first name with fine as a surname gives a possible explanation.
    6D Can’t explain . Got some Greek Furies as the answer.

  75. Going back to Friday’s DA; Could someone explain the wordplay for 9A because although I got the clue from the cross letters and the theme , I do not get the clue as written. Thanks, hope everyone’s having a lovely weekend.

  76. Hi. Yes desisting is right. Shady is the fodder indicator of sides, and good g. National investment trust nit back. Hense sides*gnit<

  77. Gayle. Re Sunday. Thanks forthetips but still muffled. I had 1d starting with B. 1a. 234 letters act. Hense, bact……..that 6d . Was thinking commandos, or commrades???? I gave up! Agr ah.

  78. Warren – Sunday’s CXW – 1D – “thicket” = defn. “out” = anagrind. fodder = “Break”.
    1A – defn = “antiseptic”. “wait” gives 4 letter synonym for letters 1,9,10,11. As you say “a” = letter 2 and “court” = letters 3,4. “fine” = 4 letter synonym for letters 5,6,7,8 – to me an obscure word which I had to look up to see in meant “fine”. In fact, meant “a fine paid by a murderer to the family of his victim “.
    6D – very obtuse / clever. Defn = “Deities”. Synonym for “Erinyes” – or as wordplay has it “Erin? Yes, considered as one” (so combine).
    Hope helps.

  79. Gayle – Sunday’s CXW – 8D – agree – “shady” = anagrind, “sides” = fodder. And “tin” = “money”. (and obviously “g” = “good”) —> DESISTING

  80. Cheers Ray. That gave me 6d. Still no idea what 1a is and I can’t find that 4 letter word for “fine”? Never mind, this really isn’t the forum. Many thanks anyway. You too Gayle.

  81. @Warren “Never mind, this really isn’t the forum”. Quite right. Where is the forum for SMH crosswords?

  82. @Warren You’ll be pleased to know that the “fine” word in 1ac has an Irish origin and can only be found in one of my many book references, Chambers. Even if you knew the context of the “fine” word, you’d never work out the answer from the wordplay. A very poor clue. Also, what do solvers of this crossword think of 3d ” Perform and measure performance” (5)? I’m not sure how this got by the editor.

  83. @Warren. Right of course, but where’s the cryptic part? Perform/performance – it’s all the same.

  84. It’s standard def/wordplay. Definition = perform. Wordplay is measure = en + performance = act.

  85. @Warren No it’s not. enACT comes from ACT. There’s no real wordplay. If that was the case it would be ok to say “Performs is perform with second (4)” = ACTS (act + s) That’s rubbish.

  86. @stig disagree. The use of perform and performance is a misleading indicator from the setter.

  87. @warren Er, I guess you are right: Perform/Performance don’t seem to be related. Wait a minute, yes they are! It’s a shocking clue with no disguise and no effort.

  88. @stig The two words are fully related. Knowing that an “en” is a measure gives it away using it with either perform or performance.

  89. @warren. Yes, but their relationship isn’t disguised! Throwing “measure” = EN isn’t enough to make it qualify as cryptic. Like I said, if this is OK with you, then my clue above should be ok too, no? If my clue isn’t ok, then how much of the definition are you allowed to duplicate in the wordplay?

  90. Warren, while in the humour vein, and so you don’t have to wait until Sunday next for that ‘fine’ word’, I found ERIC on Onelook under last entry, WORTHLESS WORD OF THE DAY!
    – eric [Irish Gaelic eiric] /ER ik/
    a payment imposed for homicide in medieval Irish law upon the slayer and his kin consisting of a fixed price for the life of the slain and the honor price of the slayer: blood fine

  91. Stig, I think AS started a thread on this site a little while back about other Fairfax crosswords in response to some Trippers, but it didn’t last.
    And on Australian Crossword Club, as no doubt you know, there’s the occasional post but usually when there’s a really dud clue. Maybe you could set up a daily thread over there. .. or start your own site. I’m sure there’ll be mutual interest. It’s clear from this thread that people who do DA do other cryptics as well. On DA’s blog, they do the Times and Guardian but there’s probably a lot more who ‘just’ do the Australian dailies.

  92. Hi, have answers to 14a and 16a, but would really like to understand how people look at the wordplay for 16a, and how this is connected to 14a (if at all). Have never really understood how these paired clues are meant to be interpreted. Thanks, Grant

  93. Grant – 16A – defn = “… to get Genesis”. “off” = SOUR. “church” = CE –> SOURCE.
    14A – defn = “Clergyman”. “makes tense” = PAST. “dork content” = OR –> PASTOR.
    Link to me is simply homophone for PASTA SAUCE.

  94. Thanks Ray. 16A still has me confused with the “…to get” at the beginning of the definition. This could also be a definition of “source” in itself!
    I wondered whether “to get” might be a hint to link the two clues (14a and 16a) together. But probably should just accept that “to get” is simply a prop for Genesis as the actual definition.
    When DA has used these linked clues in the past, do the two solutions go together to form a phrase ( or homophone phrase)?
    Thanks, Grant

  95. Grant – I am not knowledgeable enough to answer your question. My “experience” is that linked clues do mostly flow together in some way or other – and in DA’s case I cannot think of an exception to this.
    Maybe one of our reader cruciverbalists (eg: Rupert) will see your post and give a more definitive answer.

  96. I think in this case the ellipses are used to run the clues together as a single surface:

    Clergyman makes tense dork content to get Genesis off church.

    The wordplay and definition are complete for each clue. This is probably the least common use of ellipses, which usually indicate that the answer, or the last words of the first clue, are to be read as part of the second clue (or vice versa).

  97. DA had also used the ellipses as part of his fodder:
    Gifts for topless men and women, nonetheless occupied … (10) {ENDOWMENTS}

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