DA for the 7th of February, 2014

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DA 20,223 (7 Februray 2014)

DA 20,223 (7 Februray 2014) - Solution

14 thoughts on “DA for the 7th of February, 2014

  1. hi you trippers. any chance of the grids for the last few weeks? what do you reckon? always pathetically silently grateful for them…

  2. Like others this week I finished DA early and have just done today’s Sun-Herald cryptic. After a couple of interesting clues I wondered who the compiler was. So I googled the question and came up with a discussion about that on Trippers in 2012. Still none the wiser, but Stig thought it might be son of Noel Jessop, former compiler of same crossword.
    1A Toss about, jeer at, it’s wearing. FRAZZLING
    1D Disturbed nothing before final one. FAZED? Is ‘nothing’ what I think it is?!

  3. Gayle – I would say so – as the “final one” = ZED. It was my last in as it took me a long while to connect “nothing” to letters 1,2.

  4. Gayle,

    Yes, it’s still Noel’s son. Nothing’s changed in the cluing department – old Noel Jessop clues cobbled together. It’s easy to tell as Noel’s crosswords still appear in the ACC’s monthly magazine CroZworld and the same clues regularly crop up in both publications. I look for “English”= E and “Georgia”=GA – telltale signs of Jessop’s work. The grid and clue sizes have increased, which at least makes it readable to old people like me.

    I find the crossword overall to be dated, samey and it contains too many obscure words – probably as result of computer generation using a clue database. When was the last time a “modern” word, phrase or person appeared in it?


  5. Today’s DH has a DA type misdirection “Number modified the satin seat” .
    Oh no my head ….

  6. DA-type? “Number” and the like have been in cryptic vernacular since before he was born!


  7. I am struggling to not laugh my guts out at someone who has the screen name stig ! how embarrassing and i bet your elbow gets a good workout

  8. Thanks for the info re the Sunday Fairfax compiler , Stig.
    The two clues I mentioned above I thought were quite modern. RAZZ =to jeer at, and FA = nothing. That’s what caught my attention, but not the editor’s it seems.
    Anyway, back to Friday DA. Over to other thread.

  9. @Gayle. Not modern: RAZZ is an American term that Random House dates to 1910-15. FA is short for Fanny Adams, the name of a girl murdered and cut up c.1812a according to Chambers.
    Apart from the poor clues, I don’t understand why there aren’t more complaints about all the obscure words that appear in the puzzle. The solution that was printed on May4 included DADAIST; EDOMITE; ICHTHIC; STABAT MATER; HEGEL; ERYTHRINA and DARMSTADT. There are heaps every week. It comes, I believe, from generating a crossword from a list of words and clues with little regard to what words are actually used. Surely a decent setter wouldn’t intentionally include all these obscurities?

  10. Stig, I thought Sweet Fanny Adams was a euphemism for Sweet F**K ALL.

    Agree with you about the obscure words, but I actually remember the crossword you refer to , which I solved with cross letters, a bit of GK and GW ( guesswork). Doesn’t mean to say it was enjoyable , but I don’t mind the distraction of wandering down Google Street looking up old hymns or trees or philosophers – although that’s not what the game is supposed to be about.

    My preference is for a good surface, and wordplay which leads to the solution, rather than the other way round. Of the ones I’ve seen in the Australian papers, DS in the Fairfax is probably the most consistent. I liked David Stickley before the Tele axed him. Some of the compilers could do so much better work if they had an editor, or as you say, people writing in. But who can even find where to write? And to whom? And who cares? Papers are nearly gone. Some of the setting is careless at best, or egotistical sadism at worst. Makes me want to give up and not play their silly game.

  11. You are so right Gayle. The papers certainly don’t care. When The Stickler got axed there was an outcry on his website, but it made no difference. He was replaced by cheap syndicated English stuff. News Ltd put him out of a job – very sad.
    I think if the papers went then cryptic crosswords would soon follow as no-one I know likes solving them online. It’s just not the same without pen and paper and printing them off yourself doesn’t work for me either.
    What really frustrates me about the Sun-Herald cryptic crossword is that it’s clearly the late Noel Jessop’s work. I’ve solved it since it started so I know his clues when I see them.
    BTW, if you are interested, David Stickley has a free crossword every week available on his website at http://www.stickler.com.au, with extras like clue help and worked solutions.


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