DA Confusion for the 8th of November, 2013

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125 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 8th of November, 2013

  1. Some tricky bits I thought today.
    All out but still not sure on wordplay for 1D, 5D and first 3 latters of 24A. If anyone could enlighten me it would be appreciated. Thanks.

  2. I haven’t worked out the first letter of 24A yet, but letters 2 and 3 are the Manx (as in cat) donkey.

  3. Got the first 3 letters of 24A but haven’t figured out the rest yet.
    1D was heard = letters 2, 4-9.
    I’m a bit stuck in the North. Never heard of 27A but checking said it’s also in Dublin.
    Liked 21A, 21D, 9A, 22A and several clues for their surfaces this week eg 13A, 26A

  4. Gayle – yep – thanks get 1D now. I was applying “cutback” to wrong word.

  5. I’m confused on the wordplay for the first four letters of 12A.

    I really liked 14D, though over here we think of it as ours, rather than belonging to the Samoans.

  6. 24A: I think between us we got it: up against = letter 1; manx donkey = 2 and 3; fish = 4 to 6; lizard = 7 to 11.

  7. Excellent start this morning, restores confidence after last week’s disaster. Still a dozen to go.
    Puzzled by 12A, one word, relating to an organ, seems to fit part of clue, not sure of remainder.

  8. What a fun puzzle! Much simpler than last week but some great clues. Particulaly liked 8D and 26A, not forgetting 25A.

  9. Re 12A – I think the first four letters are a word for ‘flash’ that has been gutted. The balance of the word means ‘set’ as a viscous liquid might do with the ‘company shed’

  10. Ta Barry, I did have it correct. Haven’t progressed much, only 25A added to what I already had. What sort of Brisbane feature in 6D? Have lost my Refidex (Brisbane’s Melway).

  11. Arthur, 6D is a shopping area – I don’t think that’s too much of a spoiler.

  12. Again, thanks Barry, once I put in 6A the rest became clear. Down to last five now. Is the word in 20D sometimes prefixed by idiot?

  13. Rupert, it’s probably an English slang word, often used in conjunction with mug-xxxx

  14. I am English ;) And I’m now even more confused!

    Too early to just give it to me, I suppose. Maybe tomorrow if I haven’t worked it out by then?

  15. Ian, I have the answer. It’s the word for flash that is gutted to form the first four letters that is confusing me.

  16. Another DA worth exploring – fave word 27A – great name for those creeps and also Rupert isn’t it used in NZ for drunkeness?

  17. Rupert think of a place where wild animals live – four letters, give a noun. Add a letter to give adjectival form, then remove middle letter.

  18. Barry – that doesn’t mean “flash” in any online dictionary I’ve seen, but rather cunning, knowing or conceited.

  19. Rupert, my dictionary defines the four-letter word as:
    slang for a flashily dressed young man of brash and vulgar behavior

  20. 12A: And now I’ve found a definition saying “flashy”, but no citations, so I don’t know where it’s from. I’m pretty sure I’ve not heard it used that way.

  21. All done. I liked 8D and 25A. I have 19A (from the definition given by the first two words) but I don’t get the wordplay.

  22. 19A: Attending = letters 1 and 8; shout, retiring = letters 2 – 5; more or less = letters 6 and 7.

  23. I found a Flash laundry detergent via Google. Is that the connection for 12A?

  24. Did anyone see a picture of Arthur on Channel Ten at 0915 this morning? Picture from Ballarat Courier of 3/1/13.

  25. Arthur, I cannot see a detergent connection in 12A. See my comment November 8, 2013 at 12:08 pm and subsequent discussion with Rupert.

    Sorry I missed your TV appearance. I never have the TV on that early…

  26. Indy, 4D first three letters synonym for “land” (think fishing). Last four synonym for “calling” as in career. Whole word defined by “mobile alternative”.
    21A Camper is definition. Four letter word for vagrant around an old-fashioned word for bill, including the symbol for silver.

  27. Done, but for those wordplays now. Is vamp in 1A an anagrind or container indicator, or something else?

  28. Indy, vamp is a anagram indicator for the preceding two words, minus the pink top.

  29. Thanks, Rupert. I saw the wordplay for letters 1 and 6-8, but only now for letters 2-5 which suddenly seem obvious!

  30. No-one’s mentioned 3D or 16D, both of which I can’t see. Frustrating since I have lots of letters for 3D!
    Or 23D – it presumably includes DY (delinquency case) but I can’t get the rest?

    Several wordplays I still don’t understand despite reading some of the hints above.
    I preferred last week!

  31. Have about a quarter of them after 30 minutes although still trying to understand the wordplays of some of those. Hadn’t heard of the expression in 27a but worked it out from the wordplay. My inspiration moment with that one I put down to recent posts by our banished rodent!
    Will press on but suspect I will be back here for hints before too long

  32. Julian, can’t help you with 3d, but 16d could also hold a kebab. I understand the cherry tone part, that gives the first three letters, but I don’t get the salt understand bit.
    You are right about 23d, the other three letters are the sort of ruckus you might have in a small boat.

  33. And, as happens to so many of us, as soon as I post a question I get a flash of inspiration!
    Only 3d remains now.

    As for wordplays:
    Don’t get 7D.
    Am with Rupert in that I don’t understand 1st 4 letters of 12A
    Nor do I get 4D (which I think I may have wrong judging from someone’s posting above).

  34. Have always thought 17d was (2,8) not (8). Can’t find the city as one word anywhere.

  35. nn For 16D “Salt” is letters 4&5 (nautical), Understand is letters 6-9.

  36. Julian – 23D – “Loud” = defn. “ruckus” gives 3 letter synonym for letters 1,2,3. “dominates” I take as meaning ‘on top of’. The last 2 letters you have as per above.
    16D – “It may hold falafel” = defn. “cherry stone” = synonym for letters 1,2,3. “salt” gives 2 letter abbreviation for letter 4,5. “understand” = 4 letter synonym for letters 6,7,8,9.
    3D – “Shifts” = anagrind. Fodder = “remove wheat beef”. Defn “one liner”.

  37. Thanks Julian and Ray
    My take on 7d is “any” gives letters 2-5, short gull gives the last three letters. Gull means to fool someone. These are all under one, which gives the first letter

  38. Ray, I’d worked out the anagrind and fodder in 3d, I even think I have the middle two words of the answer, but can’t come up with anything for the rest of it. Suspect it is an expression I haven’t heard of so will have to resort to anagram solvers if I don’t get it soon

  39. nn, I agree with you on 17D: it’s always been two words in my experience. DA did this last week with al fresco, didn’t he? Maybe he should take some Spanish lessons …

  40. nn, for 3D: “do you come here often?”, “what’s your star sign”, and the answer are some clichéd pick up lines.

  41. Hey, that’s impressive – this blog automatically added and acute accent to the “e” in clichéd.

  42. And as soon as I posted I saw 3d, not obscure at all, although it isn’t one I would personally use!

  43. nn, I’m well past the stage of using any sort of pick-up line, unless I’m addressing a paramedic!

  44. AARRGGHH! I had the construction of 3d right all along. Except that for my anagram fodder I wrote down REMOVE WHEAT BEER not BEEF! And hadn’t looked back at the clue itself. No wonder I couldn’t make a sensible expression. Alcohol on the brain!

    Thanks for 7d explanation – forgot that meaning of gull, was trying to think of various birds.

  45. nn , who has been banished ? Barry wtf are you talking about 4D 2.12pm ????

  46. All out in under an hour, pretty good for me, now to try to understand them all

  47. As someone (probably nn) recently said, “don’t feed the first five letters of27A”; this is my non-response to the Muroidean one: as Hamlet said before he shuffled off his mortal coil: “the rest is silence”.

  48. You are correct Barry, but when you do throw him a morsel, he can’t help but bite…

  49. That’s all right, nn, I have developed greater self-control over the weeks he/she/it have been haunting his betters. I meant my last post: keep listening for the deafening silence from me. John Cage, eat your heart out!

  50. Things I can’t take seriously are always good for a laugh.
    Think I have it all worked out now, hope Ella has had more luck with this week’s than last.

  51. Barry , you say you meant your second last post, but then you continue to bang on about how silent you are ? Barry you are a dickhead. Barry wtf are you talking about 4D 2.12pm ????

  52. Late start today, but now finished all except 14d. Still can’t work out word play for 1d, 15a or 22a.

  53. Dave, 15A is “something in the ear” missing a letter, answer is provoke.

    22A definition is ‘pound’. answer is look at the letters after ‘seconds’ in the ensuing words.

  54. “Barry you are a dickhead”

    True Jimmy, but I can still give pleasure to women, which is more than your shrivelled manhood can manage, without pumping yourself full of alcohol – or is that drugs talking?

  55. Forgive me, for I have submitted to the mortal sin of engaging in social intercourse (yes, I know what it means) with the dreaded Muroidean. Excuse me whilst I indulge in self-flaggelation and repeat the wise mantra of nn: “Don’t feed the troll”.

    I shall return.

  56. Dave, yes 15A is a very clever clue. Today’s offering was the best for a long time.

    Who is using my name to post messages to feather?

  57. Call me a pedant but I didn’t like the 15a wordplay. Since “something in the listener” has an odd number of letters its heart must likewise be odd and therefore unhalvable.

  58. All told, an excellent DA with some great clues. The exception, I thought, was 6A, which is rather weak.

  59. Geoff, re 15A, something in the listener (the ear) is a seven letter word. Take out the “heart” of it and you get six letters that can be made into 4/2 for the answer.

  60. Trouble is, Barry, that DA asks us to remove only half of the heart, not all of it!

  61. sb 11a think 4 directions. 21a first word is def’n. 2d a palindrome. 20d first word is def’n. Hope this helps .

  62. Plenty of space left on my grid, but making good progress.

    sb, I can help you with 2d, “untroubled with revolution” is telling you that the word is a palindrome – that it is spelled the same forwards or backwards, ie letters 1 and 5 are the same, so are 2 and 4. The battle is rather metaphoric.

    I have 6d, but cant understand the wordplay. Anyone? Also 6a, are we to read “living” as in not the dead in the “xxxxx and the dead”?

    Also not sure of wordplay for 1d.

  63. Thanks Feather and RC.
    RC, I’m not sure about wordplay for 6d either but possibly anagram of matter seen plus in silence

  64. RC, in 6d “to be exploited” is an anagram indicator, or more precisely a rearrangement indicator, and “in silence” is a container indicator. Additional wordplay hint, don’t constrain yourself by thinking only of nouns.

  65. So now I think I have everything except possibly 21a. Feather, for 20d I was stuck on the wrong ends of newscast! Now it all falls into place. 21a not sure – seems very obscure. Is it a brand name, after a tribe? It fits but letters 4-6 don’t fit the clue; so I think I must be on the wrong track.

  66. sb, yes 21A is a brand name and the name of a tribe. Without giving away too much, I can tell you that a “neb” is the beak, or bill of a bird. You should be able to figure out the wordplay from this.

  67. Sue – 19A – see Rupert entry above (copied below):

    Rupert | November 8, 2013 at 1:06 pm |
    19A: Attending = letters 1 and 8; shout, retiring = letters 2 – 5; more or less = letters 6 and 7.

  68. I’m with Geoff on 15A. Got the answer quickly but kept rejecting the wordplay. I think DA might have made an eror.

    RC, If 1A’s still unclear, first letter is A(ce). ‘To accept’ is a container indicator for the back of ‘cut’ at third letter position. The rest is ‘was heard’. Maybe the grammar’s a little off.

    Sue, 19A, further to Rupert and Ray. ‘Drinking’ is a container indicator, to put everything following between letters 1 and 8. ‘ Retiring’ is an instruction to reverse the 4 letter synonym for shout (not a drinking shout). “More or less’ is the Latin abbreviation for approximately. Really good clue I thought .. great surface and misdirection. Had me stumped for a while, particularly as I didn’t have 7D, definition or wordplay, thanks to Trippers above for help.

  69. I agree with Gayle and Geoff re 15A. Apart from it being impossible to have half a letter, not sure how “heartedly” actually tells us to remove anything. Disheartened might have been a better word to use (without the half).

  70. How dare work and family interfere with my crossword! Nearly done Can anyone assist with 17D and 27A please?

  71. I quite enjoyed ‘half-heartedly’ as an instruction to delete one of the middle pair, if there were an even number of letters. It was nearly very entertaining, to me anyway, in the surface reading and the challenge in finding the wordplay and the definition.

  72. Kes, 17 D definition might be clearer if it read ‘Animated explorer … ‘. She’s letters 3-6, and she’s entered into ‘seldom’ without its outer letters (discovered) . Trippers above have said that it probably should be two words, 2, 6. Spanish.

  73. Not sure if you’ve got the answers or just need the wordplay.
    27A ‘Online creep’ … someone seen as a malevolent interloper on the internet, 1-5, and ‘leered’ is letters 5-9, like gave someone the glad _ _ _. Or _ _ _ _ someone off. The definition is a word that means ‘drunk’ to Londoners, and others from that part of the world. Although some former Brits here said they hadn’t heard of it either.

  74. Thanks Gayle – got that one. I also agree with your view on ‘half-heartedly’. That one came to me quite quickly and I quite enjoyed it!

  75. Kes – 27A – I had never heard of it. It is apparently London description / sland for a drunk. So – Defn = “drunk in London”. “Online creep” gives a 5 letter synonym for letters 1,2,3,4,5. “leered” gives a 4 letter synonym for letters 6,7,8,9.

  76. Thanks Ray – got it now. I have actually heard that before but it is rare. Londoners are more likey to refer to Mozart or Brahms (or elephant’s for that matter). Thanks to Ray, Gayle and earlier posts I’m done. See you next week.

  77. Thanks everyone. I had given up yesterday but went back to it with fresh eyes and your help. Loved the rodent comments from Barry and Feather. Made me laugh:)

  78. Thanks trippers – just finished. I did get about half before coming here.

  79. An LR/DA double in Monday’s SMH. Slept in as we’ve now got rain instead of fires which is a relief so haven’t made a start yet, but LR’s got a trick or two, and the OMEGA looks like fun.

  80. Done. Great crossie LR! And I think he might have snuck in 2D and 7D a propos of the theme as well.

  81. nn, great minds think alike. This is what I posted on “LR for the 11th”

    “Great idea for a puzzle but it would have been more effective if the theme had been more widespread. Ironically, the last word in for me was the theme, and I had to sit staring at it with all cross letters in, for some time until inspiration struck.”

    Sadly, there’s a split thread so some LR comments went to DA and some to LR. I reckon we need a blog for DH. I find him harder than DA as he often uses very obscure words that I don’t know, although the clues are easier to parse.

  82. I think you’re onto something, Barry.

    It’d probably work well to do a not-DA thread each week.

    That way, the odd query during the week can be addressed, like what the hell the Irish business in today’s DH meant? I got most of the crossword out before leaving my local cafe, but I didn’t understand what the Irish stuff was supposed to mean, for instance, in DJIBOUTI.

  83. AS – DH 23A – “Defeated” = letter 1. “Irish” = letter 8 as “about” = container indicator. “to sail” = letters 2,3,4. “out” = letters 5,6,7. “for Gulf republic” = defn.
    DH 22D – “Concealed” = letter 1,5,6. “Irish” = letter 2. “bookmaker” = letters 3,4. “in” = container indicator. Rest Defn.
    In both cases “Irish” = “I”.

  84. Agree AS. I gave up after getting about half of today’s DH out. Far too many obscure words requiring guesswork and word search software for my liking. No idea what a school formal has to do with 18d. Can’t even find the word that is the answer to 20d in a dictionary. I guess the Irish bit gives the second letter or maybe the second last letter in the answer, but no idea what he is on about with the bookmaker.
    Have the right side of it all done and learnt a few new words, but not sure that I can be bothered with the left side of it, just too tedious and the surface reading of most of them looks rather clumsy. I don’t often do DH, this one has reminded me why!

  85. Thanks Ray for explanation of 22d. Too convoluted for my liking, glad I didn’t attempt 23a after reading your explanation with that one. Will wait until Friday for DA and hopefully a long series of Mondays with LR!

  86. nn, me old mate, don’t give up! Although DH usually tosses in words I’ve never heard of, today the only unknown was 22D and maybe 5D. The rest were everyday words apart from the old name of Tianjin. and even there, the letters in the answer were obvious.

    Bookmaker is usually SP. Irish is usually I.
    School in 18D is an indicator that the word is schooled, that is included in the next two words.
    Also you had 23A and Ray beat me to an explanation.

    nn, if you can finish a DA, you can certainly knock over a DH, even if you have to consult a dictionary.
    Chat to you on Friday…

    20D, they do this with cows, horses and other livestock.

  87. Thanks Ray, I gave up because I wasn’t enjoying it, not that I found it impossible. Have finished it off now, half a dozen words I’d never heard of but managed to work some out from wordplay, the rest from word searches.
    Never heard of schooled being used in that way, don’t really understand how it means that.
    Had a wrong letter in 20d from misinterpretting the wordplay. That makes a bit more sense now.

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