DA Confusion for the 4th of October, 2013

Have your confusions sorted out here. Hopefully there are fewer confusions than there were last week.

67 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 4th of October, 2013

  1. Have all out but do not get 8D or 11A – so may be wrong here. Help appreciated. Thanks.

  2. Arthur, 9A is best known for several series of an HBO TV show, rather than movies. He died fairly recently.

    8D: Zulu as in phonetic alphabet; 5 letter word for publicised, shortened by one letter (hence, pygmy); the whole being in Africa.
    Can’t help on 11A, I’m afraid.

  3. All out bar 13D. Help please so I can go to work?
    11 A: the outer wings of the second and third words

  4. Ta Rupert! Had never heard of HBO, nor the actor, but Google (my friend), has helped out.

  5. Rupert / Gayle – thanks.
    Had 8D correct and now understand (“pygmy” I missed).
    Had 11A wrong but now correct and understood.

  6. Only nine to go. But, with 23A, as I’d never heard of 9A, how do I find 23A?

  7. Arthur C. – 23A – I got from wordplay.
    “Radical” = anagrind. “new team” = fodder. “clothes” = container indicator. So this gives letters 1,2, 11,12,13,14,15.
    “stop” = 4 letter synonym for letters 3,4,5,6.
    “a” = letter 7.
    “horse” = 3 letter synonym for letters 8,9,10.
    Rest – defn

  8. Haven’t sorted all that out yet, Ray. Took a wild guess that fitted the letters I had, giving the occupation of SITA et al. Some of it definitely fits bits of clue, overall it doesn’t make sense to me. Will study your post more closely. Have only four or five to go.

  9. I had the wordplay Ian, but even with that and crossletters and tools and much staring I can’t get the answer.

  10. Thanks Ray. I often use onelook for dictionary searches but never thought to use it with wildcards. Good tip. Have heard of the word but it didn’t come to mind.

  11. All finished, but not sure I have 11A correct after reading comments above.

  12. Held up a bit with my very confident ‘canal’ for 20D. Finally worked it out although not sure what 23A has to do with 9A, unless it’s a euphemism for murder.

  13. Barry, that tip helped. I’m clearly handicapped, I’ve never seen a Bond movie. But, as usual, Google is my friend. Needing 7 & 15D, 14, 18, 21A to finish.

  14. Arthur, 7D is not a familiar term to me, but it is a four-letter word for bannister (not Roger) around ‘tour’s opening’

  15. Arthur, 7D is not a familiar term to me, but it is a four-letter word for bannister (not Roger) repeated around ‘tour’s opening’

  16. Arthur, 15D definition is last word. Think of spike in terms of drinks, then gave stars is last five letters.

  17. I was about to protest that one, Barry, as a misleading misspelling. I immediately thought of Roger, whom I remember. The double n threw me for a while, my dictionary has only one, I’ve only ever seen it spelt with one n. Hadn’t heard of these places, haven’t ridden a velocipede for sixty years.

  18. Arthur, 14A definition is first word. Stroke as in swimming.

    18A is certainly not related to 20A!

    21A definition is last word.

  19. Arthur, I agree on the spelling of banister as per OED but, sadly, my brand-new Macquarie allows for the double n as acceptable. But then, this is the same publication that allowed the meaning of misogyny to change because one person misused it.

  20. Thanks again, Barry, I had thought of that word (18A) earlier, didn’t analyse it properly. If I have 15D correct, I can’t understand how first letter (end of 14A) fits the clue. Is 21A an obscure slang term. Nothing in my wordfinder fits.

  21. Arthur, no 21A is not obscure. It could also be a secretary who undoes someone else’s good work…

  22. Arthur, 14A is ‘top of sheet’ followed by a stroke. The last letter of 14A starts a four-letter word for ‘spike’ in the use I mentioned above.

  23. Barry, 23A is one of 9A’s character’s “legitimate” occupations. I like use of “whipper snapper” for 5D.

  24. Thanks, Indy, now it makes sense. I agree with your comments re 5D – clue of the week!

  25. Sorry Barry, I had meant 14A in my post above (9.44). Perhaps I have something wrong, but I’ll leave it now, with 18 & 21 A unfinished. Celebrating Margaret’s 85th birthday today, can’t be bothered further searching for what seem impossible words. Hope to be back next week, if ticker keeps ticking.

  26. Couldn’t leave it so close to completion. Finally understood the retrograde in 21A, realised had the wrong piece of ‘cloth’ in 16D (being a non-drinker), but now all complete, hopefully all correct.

  27. Indy, 4D wordplay may be revolting but so is the product decribed. All that sugar!

  28. Barry, I’m not sure I’ve ever had that brand, but had the more common Australian one. Sadly, being a youth, my sweet tooth is dastardly and I would sooner ditch either product for a proper chocolate milk, with even more sugar!

    Got it all out, but no wordplay for 12 across… Bit as i say that, I worked it out. Didn’t think the beginner would take two steps rather than one!

  29. Very pleased to get 13D from the wordplay. What I refer to as “my fashion career” involved working in the IT department of a department store, that as far as I know did not carry these. The idea of our customers, typically Midwestern matrons like my mother-in-law, wearing one is quite terrifying.

    All out and no confusion – it’s like I’ve hardly been away.

  30. Finished by lunchtime – the quickest for a while. But in spite of Indy’s comments I don’t understand how 12 A works – assuming I’ve got it right with a word for sales.

  31. 12A: it’s a word for sales, and also a word for warns, with the first letter moved to the right (east) a couple of places.

  32. All done bar 16d and 21a. Had vaguely heard of 9a and only got 23a thanks to hint from Ray above (8.14). Thought 25a, 18a and 6d were very good. I think I might have 21a, but can’t see how the retrograde bit works.

  33. 21A: First word is part hidden indicator (1st 2 letters) and part of the camouflage. Retrograde is the indicator that the hidden word is reversed.

  34. Dave, re 16D, the first five letters describe the creamy bit on top of a beer (in plural) followed by a three-letter word for “hurt”. Answer is what you may find on an, unrelated to beer type of schooner.

    21A answer is hidden backwards in the clue. Definition is last word.

  35. Thanks for above help with9a and 21a. Need 20a ,24a, 25a,19d, 22d and 6d(despite almost all cross letters.

  36. Thanks, Rupert and Barry. Hadn’t heard of 16d (not in the least nautical), and 21a was much craftier than I’d thought. A case of the ‘hidden’ being hidden, as it were.

  37. megse, if you have 18A then 20A is not related to it.

    24A first four letters are an abbreviation for “sample” plus Northern. Answer is often tied to spirit.

  38. megse, 25A definition is last three words. Made up of “one” breaking a “grip” then an old-fashioned four-letter word for “agreed”
    19D definition is first two words. Renovation is anagram indicator.

  39. Thanks Barry.All done now Hadn’t heard of said antihero and thinking wrong kind of racetrack, misdirected by car.

  40. 14 With the use of the word “top” this works more logically as a Down clue
    21 If DA meant “In secure” he should say so. “In” as the container indicator should stand on its own.

  41. FHF, you still seem to be under the misapprehension that anyone cares a whit about what you perceive to be “the rules”. Where are your crosswords? I imagine them to be utterly tedious, with surface constantly sacrificed to Ximenean purity.

  42. FHF, DA often does this, especially with “invoice” to indicate a homophone. I don’t mind it. However, my understanding of this clue (thanks to Rupert, above) is that it doesn’t work that way.

  43. 10A Are letters 4,5,6 the movers? If so, I thought that was stretching the meaning.
    Arthur, hope you and your wife have an enjoyable birthday celebration.

  44. Bernie – 10A – I think so / it must be as the other bit works – and I agree a bit of a stretch.

  45. Oh dear Rupert have we hit a raw nerve? One does not have to be any sort of purist to draw attention to what may be considered sloppy cluing practices, such as using “top” and “bottom” in across clues and “front” and “back” in down clues or is that pandering to “Ximenean purity”?
    I thought it was just a recognition of clear English usage.

    Dave R If you read Rupert (1:52) you will see he talks about “in” being the container indicator.

  46. FHF I love the way how cryptic crossword clueing language has evolved over time with different compilers introducing innovations.!
    If a compiler wants to merge words that really should be interpreted as separate, that’s fine by me: they are CRYPTIC crosswords after all!
    DA is not the only compiler to do this.
    Heaven knows, anything goes! Add “merges” to your list of tricks to look for, and loosen up a bit!

  47. 5d got what I thought the correct answer from the wordplay with the cross-letters in place and working from the beginning of the clue, but the whipper snapper (thinking little tacker) bit was lost on me. So too the accolades bestowed by others.
    Then she struck me … The agony and the ecstasy!!

  48. Very unusually for me, I got the 1st 2 across clues on my first run through. Slowed down a lot after that of course though.
    I’ve now got it out but still don’t understand the wordplay for 20a?

    I had 5D wrong for a while – had put in SPRITE (PR within Site, where Site was clued by way and whipper snapper was the definition). Wasn’t happy with that at the time and it did indeed prove wrong when 9A went in (who I had to look up as I’ve never heard of him). The actual 5d answer is much cleverer! Liked 12a too, not sure I’ve seen that exact wordplay used before.

  49. Julian 20A: Letters 1,2 and 3 come from the first word of the clue minus the word for “clue”; letters4,5,6 and 7 form a word for “teasing”. The definition is a word which would be contrary to an 18A. Hope that helps.

  50. Julian 20A: clueless monkey> delete the ‘key’ gives 1-3, then teasing gives 4-7, an adjective meaning playfully roguish or mischievous.

  51. Does anyone clearly understand the wordplay for 10a?As discussed previously,men being movers is a stretch too far.Im thinking it must be something else

  52. FHF, there’s nothing wrong with “top” in an across clue, even if you’re being a boring Ximenean. If I’m at the top of the line, about to buy my grand final tickets, I’m not physically above the other people in the line – I’m in front of them. Likewise with down clues, a word has a back and a front regardless of which direction it’s written in.

  53. @KM “top of the line”? No, that doesn’t make sense. Look up a dictionary – “top” doesn’t mean “front” in a horizontal sense as “head” can. You are right about down clues though, as words are read left to right in clues and inserted top to bottom, there’s much more scope.


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