DA Confusion for the 6th of September, 2013

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100 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 6th of September, 2013

  1. Very, very, slow sart. Read all clues carefully, didn’t find an answer till I reached 21D. Hoorah for anagrams! But have only two others so far. Muscles still aching as if I’d chopped a tonne of firewood, but I’ve only just had breakfast.

  2. glad to see you posting today Arthur after your statement of doubt last week.Haven`t got the paper yet and won`t have a chance to have a go until this evening.Keep at it.

  3. Arthur, so good to see you again today when you’ve been feeling poorly. Rupert and I can’t play today. Hope we’ll be back next week.

  4. Hi Arthur, keep at it. It isn’t as hard as it seems at first, although it’s certainly the trickiest for some weeks.

    I don’t like it whe he splits one word over two positions, as in 1,23 down.

  5. Re 1, 23d He could have used two separate clues. Perhaps he thought of the clue first and then had to break the word to fit it in the grid

  6. My painfully aching muscles have left two neurologists puzzled. Disappointing!
    Was the composer of 19A known to his friends as Gus? Only one I could think of, only vaguely related to clue. Have solved eight so far, continuing.

  7. We’ll miss Rupert and Gayle. I got about 1/3 done in the waiting room at the medical imaging centre. But a bit stuck after that. I suspect 5a’s first two letters are commercial, but can’t find a words for clogs and can’t think of what Wednesday might be an example of. Any help with that?

  8. Sandy, 5A think of a family of ghouls, one of whom had a name in the clue

  9. All done now! Sandy, re 5A, you’re right about the first 2 letters being commercial. Think of Wednesday as a person’s name.

  10. Prufrock – 25A – 5 letter word for “Hyper” = letters 1,2,3,4,5. 4 letter word for “confidence” with 1st letter removed (“to scorn first”) = letters 6,7,8. Defn = last 2 words.
    22D – Defn = first 2 words. “invoice” = homophone for a 3 letter word meaning “for one”.

  11. Arthur C., 19a could have been known as Gus. Think of tea and break as separate words and then put them ‘on the contrary’.

  12. I think 16a may be an obscure expression I have never heard of and can’t find on google. Are the first three letters a word for fine as in penalty?

  13. Sandy, isn’t that obscure. The answer means failed in a human sense, although a feathered creature may consider it a success.

  14. Sandy – 16A – I think the construct is “At length” = letter 1. “fine” = letters 2,3. “Scandinavian” = letters 4,5,6,7. “horse” = letters 8,9. Defn = “failed”.

  15. I’m not sure, Sandy, but I think the first letter is an abreviation, followed by 2 letters meaning fine.

  16. I’m almost there (which is very early in the day for me!)
    Still not sure of 19A despite the hint above. But maybe I have the last letter wrong as I can’t quite see how the spoonerism in 8D works?

    Also I don’t get the wordplay for the 1st 3 letters of 13D, or 26A?

    Liked 25A – certainly sent me off on the wrong tangent to start with!

  17. Ah, think I have now got 19A but still don’t get its wordplay.
    And forgot to mention that the wordplay for 11D escapes me too? Thanks.

  18. Julain – 19A – defn = 1st word. “mentioned tea” = a letter. “break” = a 4 letter abbreviated synonym. “On the contrary” puts the 4 letters first and then the 1 letter.
    3D – “During” = container indicator. “melee” = synonym for letters 1,2,8,9. “worries” = 5 letter synonym which is “about'” (reverse) to gives letters 7,6,5,4,3.
    26A – “Further from hip” = 7 letter word. “one sank” removes letter 5 – leaves 6 letter word for “knife”.
    11D – defn = first 3 words. “backing” = reverse. “existentialist” = letters 11,10,9,8,7,6. “story-teller” = letters 5,4,3,2. “in” = container. “tough case” = letters 1,12.

  19. Lunch and nap over, only advanced to thirteen or fourteen? Never watched the ghouls in 5a, though some names I’ve heard come to mind. Was one called Lurch? Must Google the others, because clue makes no sense to me. No, just looked at names, no spark. Can see that letters 4-7 have vague connection with clogs, but why Wednesday?
    Is 4D a colloquial expression, like ‘free-loader’ ? I have only two of the twelve letters, 1A would help, if someone can throw me a lifeline, please?

  20. Sorry, just saw 4D. Had been thinking summer vacation sort of thing.

  21. Arthur C. – 1A – Defn = 1st word. “tick” = a 2 letter word (abbreviation) for short time = letters 5,6. “burrowing into” = container. “bush” = synonym for letters 1,2,3,4,7,8.

  22. Thanks Ray
    19A – oh, that sort of break. Duh!

    It was 13D not 3D I was after though. I get the “IS” in a 5 letter word for hurried. It’s just the 1st 3 letters I can’t work out?

    Still don’t like the spoonerism in 8D. I am assuming the 1st 2 letters combine with the last 3 to form “account” but I don’t see how the other bit creates “sap”.

  23. Julian – sorry – 13D – first 3 letters are a 4 letter word for “Clueless” with “l-out”.
    8D – if you have the correct answer, swap 1,2 with 8 and say the result to give a “sap account”

  24. Going ok today Have an answer for 14d but wondering If you kept the tea you would end up with excessive flatulance? Or is my first word wrong?
    Got 19a too but again wondering how the tea- break fits into the wordplay?

  25. Thanks, Ray, I had put in the word I thought fitted, seems to agree with your clue. Now down to four, bothered by 11D, looks like a colloquial expression but can’t pin down first part, even after ‘backing ‘Jean-‘ in. Wonder if its of US origin?

  26. All done. Thanks for the help. Both the stuff I asked for and the bits I ‘stalked’.

  27. Starsign, you do have first word of 14d wrong. It is clued by ‘keep’ (think noun not verb).

  28. Too smart by far, Mr Astle! ‘Digital enhancement’ indeed. But a good clue, I suppose, in review. More or less confirms my second word in 11D, first word related to caravans? Or rubbish removal?

  29. Yes, Google confirms my 11D, don’t understand all of clue. Leaves only 1D, 9A to finish. Enough for today, will check back this evening. Thanks folks.

  30. Arthur, yes 11D relates to caravans and rubbish. Backwards in the outskirts of “toug” are an existential author and a story-teller.

  31. Arthur C, sounds like you are right for 11D. Yes I believe it is US origin relating to people living in mobile homes.

    Starsign – Ray helped me with 19A above. Think of break as in vacation.

  32. Anybody working from the SMH in print? Check out the ‘junior’ missing letter puzzle. Have you ever heard of eosin or indole? I certainly hadn’t. Why would they expect a kid to?

  33. Sady, we ‘second-childhooders’ generally attempt the kids puzzle, I wrote in indole and eosin, just guesses.
    The 9A ‘lift-out’ leapt out as I was having my cuppa, so only 1D left of today’s DA. Enough, go and stagger round the pool table for a few games. After a while the eyes go blurry, but generally manage three or four.

  34. Ta Julian, still no wiser but my French bloke fits nicely “on the contrary”
    Yet to get 8d even with all the help above, so that will possibly validate my Froggy composer

  35. Julian and Starsign – re 8D. Sap is a sticky substance of four letters. Account is like a bill which, when paid means you have cleared the xxxxx. Spoonerise the two words and you get the answer which is a channel controller.

  36. Starsign – my 19a composer isn’t French…. Wikipedia says mine is actually English, although his name doesn’t sound it.
    Re 8D, thanks. I had the right answer, just couldn’t see how the spoonerism worked. Hadn’t made the connection with sticky substance, was pronouncing that part like a large bird and that didn’t make sense at all! I’m an accountant so the 2nd part for account was easy for me!

  37. Julian and Starsign:I think ‘sap’ sounds like a word where the letter ‘g’ you probably have is replaced with a ‘j’ if you write it down.

  38. Barry’s decoding of 8D doesn’t quite work for me – the spoonerism isn’t quite right. I believe “sap” is in the (mostly) American sense of a foolish person, a synonym of which (mostly Brit/Aus) is the large bird that Julian has in mind.

  39. That’s me done – I actually found it easy-ish this week, all but two words in an hour, then the remainder when I came back to it this arvo.

    PS. I’m really pleased to see Arthur is still up and at ’em. Perhaps the election result will cheer him up further, while depressing me …

  40. Hmmm seems like we have two different answers for 8D as I cannot understand Ann’s reference to the letter J, nor AG’s American sap. Trying not to give away too much here, I have the answer as something that involves a river lock. The spoonerism is from “glue” and the account is from “slate”. I cannot find any other ten letter word that fits with the cross letters, all of which I am sure are correct.

  41. Barry – I am sure we all have the same word. The issue is what the first part of the Spoonerism actually is. I wasn’t aware of the American term “sap” although I can see how that would work. Personally I prefer Ann’s interpretation (put a J in front of letters 3-6 of the answer and pronounce that word). Trouble is the G sound is different, it’s hard in AG’s interpretation (as it is in the answer) but soft in Ann’s.

  42. Barry – 8D – suspect all have correct answer, but I read the discussion above as “sap” referring to either glue, goose or juice. I think it is the middle one.

  43. Barry: the word I ended up with is definitely a ‘channel controller’. What I have for ‘sap’ sounds like something you could drink which is one of the meanings of the word sap.

  44. Aha, now I get it and I concede that my “glue” is incorrect and would have left us with an extra “l” in the spoonerism. I agree with Ray that is should be “goose” as the hard G is definitely needed.

  45. We have solved everything except 10A. Please help!
    We thought it a pacific nation with ?l?a?u but we can’t find the right one!

  46. Olive – 10A – defn = first 2 words. “captured Heart” gives 2 letters = letters 1,2. “Prize”(as a verb?? – as in “I xxxxx this”) = 5 letter synonym – and “disorientated” (somehow) means remove last letter to give letters 3,4,5,6.

  47. Olive, take the heart of “captured” and then a word for prize, with a direction taken from it.

  48. Ray, I took “disoriented” as remove the orient (as in E for East) from the word.

  49. Olive – Oh – I see you have second letter wrong in 10A so think 6D must be incorrect. Get the first 2 letters for 10A as explained above and this should help this intersection.

  50. I didn’t think of orient as specifically E, I just thought disorient was remove a direction. But if so, that’s really clever!

    By the way am I totally off beam here? For 22D I got the answer a different way to what’s been discussed earlier. I took it as a sort of double meaning clue where the answer is run smoothly and also a noise (in voice) made by one (an animal) that is happy – i.e. running smoothly!
    I didn’t think of the sounds like “for one” interpretation but isn’t that a fairly normal cryptic definition? If so why would it need a ? at the end of the clue? I thought the ? indicated something a bit dodgy was happening, hence why I went the way I did.

  51. After nearly an hour I only have ten. Disoriented was clever, if rather difficult.
    Am getting nowhere with the rest of it, will read the above in the hope of enlightenment

  52. Julian – you could be right. The “?” makes me look several ways for DA. One is it triggers a look for “combined” meaning in words. So for 22A “invoice”. For 13A “lout”. Your explanation is now another way I will view “?”. Thanks.

  53. Read it all, that gave me two more. Might come back after tea and have another look, just not on DA’s wavelength this week and can’t follow most of the hints above

  54. I`m with you nn.About half done,but they aren`t jumping out at me.Might look a little different over breakfast.

  55. Finished. Had got all but one word earlier (1D) when, sitting eating evening meal, it hit me. My wife drinks those things! So, another triumph! If I’m still able, will try again next Friday.

  56. Given up with five to go, too many wordplays that I don’t get in the answers I do have, so don’t see much hope for the rest. Off to crossword club for some explanations.

  57. All out: My name is not Kevin but I’m here to help for the next 15 if anyone wants wordplays explained.

  58. All solved before coming here and even understand all word plays. Very unusual for me. Is DA relenting?

  59. Not sure I understand the wordplay for 13D, esp the first three letters.

  60. LJ – 13D – as per my earlier entry (copied below):
    Ray | September 6, 2013 at 1:23 pm |
    ……. 13D – first 3 letters are a 4 letter word for “Clueless” with “l-out”.

  61. Did them all except for 5A – checked the answers this morning and was none the wiser until I Googled and found that Wednesday Addams was a character in a TV series that I never saw. A blind spot.

  62. A couple of classic examples of DA not saying what he means.
    15 Offending = off ending . A most inelegant way to indicate a word shortening.
    22 invoice = in voice. If that is what is meant it should say so. At least he had the good grace to end with a question mark.
    15 You are right Julian Orient does not equal E; East = E. It’s very shakey logic which says Orient = east, east = E therefore orient = E. One might call it an indirect definition (a cousin of the dreaded indirect anagram?)
    14 An example of a neat concise clue

  63. All’s fair in a Friday DA.
    I needed help from here. I understood invoice, disorient, offending, lout – perhaps DA is getting predictable ?
    Thanks for another week.

  64. I don’t have a problem with offending, invoice etc, and Orient does mean East, it is the opposite of Occident (West), although nowadays, Orient is more commonly used to mean the countries of the East. I thought this was quite a clever clue.
    After doing DA for over a year now I am getting used to looking more closely at word such as handy (h and y) and flower (which can be a river or a bloom, though I almost always seem to go for the wrong one at first!).
    Punctuation (and gaps, or the absence of gaps between words) should just about always be ignored, except when the punctuation is the actual clue (we have seen “-” = dash and “…” = dots recently). Where I do have a gripe with DA it is his dodgy homophones and some pretty long bows drawn in some definitions, especially when he is factually wrong (last week’s bottom feeder comes to mind!). His arts background is legendary on this site (for causing scientific errors).
    But each week I come back for more…

  65. E is the abbreviation for East not Orient, for DA to suggest it is is just plain wrong.
    All is not fair in Friday DA, and DA would agree. Clues should follow the rules of grammar and and should make some surface sense as a piece of English prose. Too often in things like (off)ending, (in)voice and (l)out DA shuns the rule that he should say what he means when writing clues. See the advice set out by Afrit many years ago “You need not mean what you say, but you must say what you mean”. So when DA says “handy” but really means “h and y” he is not being true to his solvers.

  66. Very much disagree FHF.I think the examples you came up with are what makes the difference between the DA and other crosswords.You can muse over a certain clue for hours,then you spot the nuance and bang you want to kick yourself or have a chuckle at the complexity

  67. Had all but two before trying to get to the site. It was down, so solved them on my own. First time for a while. Funny thing Arthur C while you fit 21d first, it was my last.

  68. Hello I am new here but have been lurking for a while.

    8d – I don’t think it’s “goose”, I think it’s “goo” (= sap). That makes the Spoonerism work better. I think. That was the last one I got this time.

    Thanks to all in this community for your help over the last few weeks – I usually come to DA mid-late weekend and do my best with it over a day or two before resorting to your lovely subtle hints.

  69. Can you please give me the answer to 8d from last Friday DA. Thank you

  70. Anyone still there for 6/9 Confusion? All done but I just need the wordplay for “judge to accept one behind review” in 18A [ though I’m guessing it’s obvious cos there’s been no comment on it :-( ]

  71. johnno2 – 18A – “judge” gives letters 1,7,8,9. “to accept” = container indicator. “one behind” gives 2 words (one with 1 letter, the other with 4 letters), that are reversed (= “review”) to give letter 6,5,4,3,2. Hope that helps.

  72. Gday to all.This isnt a confusion question but I thought this might be the best place to ask this question.Im going on a 2 week cruise soon and want to take a heap of DA crosswords or ones just as difficult.Can buy Times and guardian booklets from ebay.Anyone know if they are challenging?Or if there is any way to get some old DA in paper copy?

  73. Thank you, Ray! I was closer than I thought as it turns out: perhaps a bit more sweat next time before resorting to the kind offices of the ConfusionisDAs (slightly dodgy homophone intended!)

  74. L R is back today. Finding it as bit harder than usual. Can anyone explain the wordplay in 12a? I have the answer and I can see the smack at three start but no idea how the rest of it works

  75. nn

    12 the clue would work better if it were a down one. Top, bottom are best suited to down clues. start, end front, back for across clues.

  76. I agree, but even if it was a down clue i still don’t get the wordplay. A few others leave me mystified too. 10a, 11a but i can see the skirt, 27a, 8d. I have all the answers, just don’t understand the wordplay

  77. nn
    12 Smack is slang for heroin with the e from the
    11 Def is looking at reversal of axe (sack) mini= short skirt ng= no good
    27 Hidden clue def = first meeting
    8 def = traffic signals with head letter removed from flights
    10 def = underground ie the Paris metro ET inside MRO. How MRO = ratings with Oscar beats me. Unless ratings has something to do with sailors, but that would be RM Royal Mariones and O = Oscar in inetrnational radio talk

  78. John
    Times and Guardian are quite challenging especially if you do them without any aids

  79. nn
    re 10 ratings = film classifications M = Mature R = restricted. Neat little clue

  80. Another very good crossword from LR.

    My trouble is with 9D. Don’t know the answer… only one I’ve got left.

  81. Also, is 13A meant to be FASTEST?

    If so, does that mean notes = FAS? Because if so, that’s bullshit. F and A, sure, but pluralising to make FAS is bullshit.

  82. AS
    The note is fa as in the tonic sol fa system. I suppose more than one fa is fas

  83. That makes much more sense, FHF.

    Interestingly, it’s only FA of the DO-RE-MI set that is made up of letters solely from the A-G range.

    Still don’t have 9D: Locks you can pick? (4)

  84. AS locks are the type that go on your head. Think fake ones that you can choose. I didnt think much of this as a clue.
    FHF thanks for explanations, although I still don’t get 12. I got the smack bit but don’t see how the rest of it works. The end of your sentence appear s to have gone missing

  85. Ah, got it. Thanks nn. I often have trouble with those punny clues, which is why I sometimes have trouble putting DP to the sword.

    On 12A, FHF’s sentence wasn’t cut short, it’s just that the e comes from the bottom of the. It’s hard to see that kind of thing when it’s done an ordinary word like the.

  86. As soon as I posted the penny dropped. I had been thinking of heroin as just clueing the letter H as DA often uses it that way. Got it now thanks FHF and AS

  87. nn, speaking as one from the ‘chrome dome’ end of the hair spectrum and who thus notices such things, I think “pick” might mean “tell” rather than “choose”? Makes the clue a bit better :-)

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