DA Confusion for the 27/28th of July, 2012

If DA’s devilish run continues, this confusion thread will get quite the workout.

Ask and your questions will be answered.

104 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 27/28th of July, 2012

  1. It seems tricky to me. I have already had to correct two answers (8D, which I thought was obvious, and 25A), and Google one (12A, though I’d heard of 11A/2D).

    About half done.

  2. All done. 4D was the last in (with a bit of help from Google and Urban Dictionary).

    My favourite clue was 16A. 5A, 15D and 17D were good, too.

    Can anyone explain the wordplay in 26A, please?

  3. Back on line after holidays. I loved 16a too. The first I got. Could see 11a/2d straight away and so googled 12a. But slowed since then.

  4. I have got 13d, and understand the last bit of word play (letters 2-8). But how does the word play give 1, 9-10?

  5. Thanks Mike. I have finished before coffee (a PB and all). still can’t work the wordplay for 22a or 21d though.

  6. Finished this one in record time, for me. Some nice clues: 16A is my favourite, too. Luckily I guessed 11A/2D but then had to Google it to get 12A, who I’ve never heard of.
    21D is a DD, but both meanings are slightly obscure, perhaps – particularly for those less advanced in years than myself.

  7. 22A: Another double definition, with the last two words each being a synonym of the answer. I’m not sure what role the elipsis and “makes” are doing here.

  8. Thanks Roger and Rupert. I actually had the wrong answer in 21d – a word that describes a state of poor condition. But now I have got it. I should have known. I am not that young myself and have a 21d heart!
    As for 22a, I was reading ‘guy’ like an American rather than like a camper.

  9. Completed over a couple of coffees at Tilly’s. 3D was last in and 26A wordplay was the last for me to resolve. Liked 6D and 5D.

  10. Got it all now after wasting too much time on 18A thinking that the wordplay must have involved “ground” as an anagrind of “losing” interminably, despite the clear definition. Just loved 26A – thanks Ian!

  11. Re: 22A, Rupert, I agree the “makes” seems superfluous; I assume it and the ellipsis are just there to link 20A, 22A and 24A into a meaningful sentence. This cunningly enables 24A to borrow it’s definition from 22A.
    The “makes” also solves a problem for the setter – how to force the verb into the right form. “Loiters” or “loitering”, for example, would not match the answer grammatically.

  12. WTF??? Just aced the DA crossword in under 30 minutes. C’mon DA lift your game son.

    ps 22A is a word play on guy

  13. Yes johnno42, I know ‘guy’ is a wordplay. A bit of DA misdirection that successfully misdirected me. That was the point that Rupert helped me clear up.

  14. Going ok today. Only four to go. Not sure of the wordplay in 18a and 20a but my answers appear to be right. Any hints for 19a? 16a still puzzling me but everyone else seems to love it as a clue.

  15. Pat,
    16a: Take note of how the word is presented.
    19a: Means ‘equals’. A word for ‘spy’ as in look, and a word for ‘ring’ as in gang.

  16. 20A is a bit city-centric, and the use of ‘from East’ as a reversal indicator threw me for a while.
    I have answers for 4D and 17D that I’ve never heard of. Might have to check them out to be sure, but they fit the wordplay and the intersecting letters.
    I’d noticed the trick mentioned in 5D on a calendar once, which helped.
    Liked 3D. A phrase used on this site a few times. The wording in the clue was novel.

    This is a gateway puzzle for people who usually avoid DA. He uses a lot of his normal tricks (e.g. ‘rearrange’ in 26A) but it’s not too difficult.

    Now to catch some of the opening ceremony. I wonder if the puzzle next week will have an Olympic theme?

  17. Good start this morning, have fourteen. But I object strongly to names being the answer to 3D and 12A. They may well be people I’ve never heard of. Some younger folk might object, on same grounds, to 13D but we oldsters can remember him well. Have completed most of W side, E side is mainly blank. Haven’t read above yet, but may have to go looking there.

  18. Only ten to go. Re 3D, the only fashion writer I could find was Lisa Arnstrong, so no good. But have first three letters, I think. Fourth? Zero? Fits the texting part of clue.

  19. My first attempt at a DA. I have 19A and I think I have 22A but otherwise I haven’t got a clue!

  20. DAwidow, I wish you luck. I’ve been doing these for ?? years, but seem to be having more trouble recently. I can give a bit of a clue, but will get my knuckles rapped if I say too much.
    11A, 2D is the well-known name of a book about punctuation, the title of which could also describe the diet of a panda, or maybe a koala. 1A, as the clue says, is a sometimes painful bone surrounded by the name of a small, ugly, dog. 5A really was easy, but took me a long time to get. The white ball comes from bowls, the whole is a large prize.
    No more, or I’ll be banned forever. You have 19A? I have only the third letter of first word.

  21. Even with above pointers, still struggling with 1a, 16a, 19a, and 3d, 4d, 6d, and 15d. Hints (but not spoilers) welcome.

  22. sb, the definition for 15d is toilet block. 16a is also a type of wheat. 19a is defined by equals. I have no idea about 3d even though I think I have two letters.

  23. Now down to two or three. DAwidow, you’ve probably seen this quote:
    What the Curate was referring to is quite famous, and provides an answer here today.
    Actually, I think I now only need first word of 17D and hopefully I’m finished. Arvo tea at 1400, thence pool. Cheers all (if I’m forgiven for helping DAwidow).

  24. Thanks Ann. I’ll work on that.
    Arthur C, in case you still need it, 17D is an anagram

  25. I hate it when everyone says this is an easy one and I only managed to get one answer in nearly an hour (and I wasn’t too sure of that). Have a few more now, but initially put in Files for 8d which my subsequent answer for 10a reveals to be incorrect. Have another answer for 8d now, but don’t see how it is clued by binders. Files seems a much better answer to me!
    Haven’t looked through all the above yet, will press on for now

  26. Ah, thank you so much Arthur. I now have 1A, 11A/2D and 12A. I hope you are forgiven by all for helping me!

  27. Am finding this weeks’ puzzle v.hard despite having done DA’s for many years! Have guessed a lot of it but am stuck on two. Can anyone give hints for 26A and 1A- I have confirmed the 1st and third and 5th letters but stil no idea!

  28. Just finished after cracking 6d, but don’t understand the wordplay of “punches #@* horse”
    My original 9a was Trapdoors until other letters nullified it.

  29. thanks sb
    Clueless, glad to find out that I’m not the only one having trouble this week. Have been finding them easier over the last few weeks and thought I must be getting the hang of them, but that appears not to be the case!

  30. AJ I had trapdoors too. Most frustrating that the first (and for quite some time the only) two that I got (9a and 8d) were both wrong but very good answers!
    Still have no idea on 9A

  31. If 17d is an anagram it would appear that my answer for 16A is wrong too. Am about to do an Arthur with the ballpoint!

  32. AJ – ‘#@*’ is a common spelling for this; ‘punches’ = ‘in’, something like that anyway
    nn – 9a is a common expression for ‘escape’ technicalities, in tax law eg.
    Still don’t have 1a, 19a first word, 3d or 4d.

  33. NN-9A lawyers like these
    1A-finally worked it out with th help of Arthur re small ugly dog

  34. sb-4d think plumbing;I’ve got 1a now but it has buggered up my 3d answer so now I’m stuck on that one too!

  35. sb 1a letters 1,2 and 7 are a small dog which looks like it has been chasing parked cars. Other letters are a bone in your leg. Moving grass (as in the drug) is the def
    Can’t help you with 3d and 4d, no idea on these.
    No idea what you mean by #@* being a common misspelling for this, nor have your and Clueless’s hints for 9a helped. I’m finding this one the hardest DA for ages. People I’ve never heard of and by the looks of it some words I’m not likely to have heard of.

  36. Oooh-just guess 3D and googled it-I’d never heard of it because I don’t text on mobile phones!

  37. 9A-think of what you put your head into when you are on the gallows

  38. Still can’t work out 26a and therefore 21d…pretty sure the rest is right but some of the wordplay is beyond me this week.

  39. 9a I know where you put your head but this isn’t helping me get the whole word.

  40. Have just about had enough of this. After 4 hours I only have about 8 answers and have had to cross off three of my originals as they no longer fit the cross letters.
    Ballpoint pen time!

  41. 9A-compound word-first word = four letters meaning the thing you put your head into and 2nd word 5 letters-you dig these

  42. Thanks Clueless in Hobart
    nn – 6d “#@*” not so much a common spelling, rather a common substitute for these, in print. 9a I still keep thinking tax. As Clueless in Hobart says, lawyers love them!
    Got everything now except 3d.

  43. I take it back, I thought I knew where you put your head, but apparently it isn’t the noose!

  44. Clueless in Hobart
    Re 26a
    Hands on = initials for not getting someone to do it for you – letters 1,2 and 7. If you divide word 5 in two two words and apply this (boxed) it gives you the definition – last word of the clue

  45. Thanks Squatter-it is the word I guessed simply as a synonym with “Show” but couldn’t work out the word play at all!Cheers!

  46. @DAwidow,
    You do realise that if you continue to do DA’s puzzles after this one, you might need to choose a different name!
    Here are a few hints to push you along:

    There’s a nice little hidden in the SE corner.

    18A is probably the most famous sculptor.

    7D is a straight anagram.

    1D Is a common synthetic material used in clothing.

    20A is a suburb in Sydney, not too far from the airport, I believe.

    25A the snack is a small sausage.

    14A is Italian.

    5D Heroically he sailed is the definition. A mythical figure from the ancient world, I think.

    Let me know if you’d like any more hints. I should be online a bit over the next hour or so.

  47. Have been over to crossword club for the answers. Too many words I’d never heard of for my liking. Glad I didn’t waste any more time on it. Didn’t enjoy this one at all.

  48. @DAwidow,
    I hope you haven’t given up. I just thought of something that might help. The link near the top of the page – DA’s Tricks and Cryptic Shorthands – has some assistance specific to DA’s puzzles.

  49. @Clueless in Hobart – your handle reminds me of Sleepless in Seattle.

  50. I really enjoyed the LHS and some of the R but then slowed down. Favourite instruction today was ‘nonetheless’ in 12A. Loved the wordplay in 20, 22, 24A but then I am a happy-camping Sydney-sider. Hadn’t heard of 17D. 10 A I would have spelt differently but got it from wordplay and only got the rhebus in 16A l8tr thanks to tips above. Never heard of 12A but got 11/2.
    Liked 6D after I got it. Must admit I’d never really understood the phrase although there are several Trippers who would be very familiar with it I reckon, esp Arthur and Sandy. DA has given us a big clue with ‘punches’. The #@* would indicate, according to Wiki, the 1992 rather than the 1895 version.

  51. ipuzzled-I really should make it “Hapless in Hobart” as there are plenty of clues-just lacking answers!

  52. @nn,
    Thanks for that link. I noticed that (for this week at least) it’s strait to answers on that site rather than hints/clues/tips.

  53. @iPuzzled it is always the answers plus explanation and usually a few comments below. It is my place of last resort when I’ve decided I can go no further and can’t afford to spend any more time on it.

  54. Loved 16 across and thought 3 down was clever once I (finally) worked it out. Was confused by wordplay for 26 across until Squatter explained it.

  55. Re 16A: W-H-E-A-T? is sure easier than WOLAD? from earlier this year. That was a curly one.

  56. All done, helped when I twigged to DD and my wife suggested a synonym for trifle. Best clue: 16a, easy but clever.

  57. @Deb 3d would have been a lot better if she was someone I’d ever heard of!

    16a clever, but I would never have got it, not having heard of that variety of wheat.
    I’d originally thought the answer might have been chaff (as in separate the wheat from), then when that didn’t fit one of the across letters I went for bread (you make it from what constitutes part of wheat).
    Just too many clues had reasonable alternative answers this week and they were crossed by too many words (and people) I’d never heard of, making this one of the hardest I’d tried in quite some time.

  58. Finally worked out 18A wordplay… Bit slow today, didn’t realise interminably could be at both ends of ‘losing ground’.
    3D is classic DA. At least I think so…
    I don’t get letters 1-4 of 15D. Assume 5 and then 6-9 are ‘one’ and ‘connects’?
    Got the answer but don’t quite get 24A.

  59. Hooray! Thanks for a bit of inspiration when I was flagging. my non cryptic spouse got 6 D just looking at the space. Liked it, also 27A. thanks for explaining 2nd part of 26A – devious setter.

  60. 24A: The definition is the answer to 22A (clued by the ellipsis). First letter is clued by the first word, the rest by the rest of the clue.

  61. Thanks Rupert. You have taught me something new because, as another Englishman abroad, I have heard the 15D, 1-4 phrase you quote (rarely) but have always thought it meant something like ‘well that’s the end of that’… maybe, having been raised as an RC boy, the word always came at the end of things….

  62. Nearly finished. Can’t get the second word for 7d, even though I knew it’s an anagram and have the first word out ! It will come. First da back after six months of no cryptic play. Re 16a, it was the first clue I got as I have seen the exact same clue before. Remember thinking it was correct then, but seeing it in today’s xword was deja vu.

  63. Got all but 3d.
    Got. 18a straightaway but not wordplay.
    20a don’t know wordplay after cross.
    Still don’t understand wordplay for 26a for 3-6.
    6d should have an apostrophe ? 6’1,3 ?? Didn’t get wordplay for ‘a gutless type punches’
    Where does the second word for 7d come from?
    Similarly the hints above tell me 21d but how does the wordplay match the def ?

  64. 26a a three letter acronym for hands on, boxing ie surrounding a “range” backwards. This is a classic bit of da wordplay. Re arrange becomes rear range. Would appreciate a hint for 25 a

  65. thelloydr a clue for 25A might be that the joint is 2-4 and you have two of them. They can be replaced in later life. Cheers is 8-9, DA has used this before. The rest is 23D containing the joint.

  66. jupiter, the first two words in 7D have 15 letters, ‘drift’ is an anagrind… a mailer uses the stamp!

  67. 7D: It has a graphic on one side and gets stamped on the other.

    3D: A common abbreviation on the web, or so it seems to me.

    18A: Interminably = without either end; losing ground = a seven letter word for when the ground is (e.g.) washed away.

    20A: With = letters 5 – 7; two = a four letter word for couple (rhymes with a fruit), remove its first letter (topless) and reverse the remainder (from East) to give letters 8 – 10.

    26A: I didn’t get this at first, either. They’re a range in reverse (rearrange).

    6D: Agreed on the apostrophe. Many setters are now ignoring apostrophes in the letter count, presumably because it makes our lives too easy.
    6D: A = A, gutless = remove the middle, gutless type = TE, punches = put in the middle of.

    21D is a double definition: a false shirt front often with an attached bow tie (only covers the bits not covered by a jacket); and in poor condition, particularly of the heart (21D ticker).

  68. 18A I wasted time thanks to Henry (5) Moore (5). Moor is ‘ground’… and has lost the E… Never mind. Anyway jupiter, add E at the front and G at the end of the correct sculptor for the word play.

  69. A mixed bag this week. Enjoyed getting 10A, 6D, 27A and 21D as they are older words that my father used (born 1909). Not keen on 12A (never heard of her), 17D (never heard of it). Was on to DA straight away guessing the suburb would not be East of Sydney, was too clever thinking for a while that it was P and A in 11A, 2D, knew Lisa from advertising I suppose. Didn’t think dope was a sea bird!
    Most annoying though was retiring on Friday night without the wordplay for 26A and actually thinking “if I was setting it I’d have 1, 2 and 7 as that well known acronym and the rest is some well used mountains backwards” but didn’t see the ‘hands on’ or the rear range until I came here. Quite ridiculous!

  70. I really liked ‘songbooks’ this week, in 14A. Most/all regular solvers are aware that ‘song’ often means AIR and ‘books’ often means OT in cryptics (including DA’s puzzles). But by simply jamming the too words together (song + books = songbooks) I was misled into thinking that HYMNALS or something similar was part of the answer somehow. Amazing what leaving out some white space can do. Glad I twigged after a MO or two.

    Misdirection through punctuation – a characteristic of DA’s puzzles.

  71. Back after a couple of months’ break. Needed help (gained from various comments above – thanks!) for a few, but now have all except 13D and 24A. I might have an answer for 24A, but no idea why.

  72. Dave R
    Re 24a. First letter of clue = first word of answer. hen some – if you have more than you need you have some left …..

    Re 13d one of a famous duo. A four letter word that could mean I minus its last letter (nearly) surrounds (catch) an anagram of natural. His last name is another name for a tree thats leaves are used in seasoning.

    Welcome back

  73. Pleased to see 12A, I recommend her book to all my students, but prefer the Australian joke about the wombat, which might be salacious enough for DA to use …

  74. Woo hoo! Finally finished the crossword last night thanks to help from all of you. Thank you! I shall now go and ponder the only sensible course of action – a name change.

  75. @DAwidow,
    Yippee! Glad our hints were helpful.

    As for the name change: how about:
    The solver, formerly known as…

  76. It took me so long to get 3d. His clues are shortened words missing vowels, but the answer is initialisation and it was in use on bulletin boards long before texters got rsi in their thumbs.
    Thanks for the help all …

  77. My mum taught me a 21d seat was the fold out one in the back of 30s cars …

  78. Midweek muddle… not DA I’m afraid.
    Once again the DS Spectrum crossword last weekend had me baffled… 12A was ‘Seeing that tyre split open (7)’ Cross letters gave me S – N – E – E. I know I’ll get the answer next Monday but has anyone got any ideas? SINCERE fits but the wordplay?
    I’m assuming the S is correct from ‘tickled brood in hoarding = AMUSED and the second E is from ‘natural colour runs in the firing line = OCHRE. (‘runs in the firing line anyone?) All help appreciated.

  79. “seeing that” = SINCE (seeing that you’re new here …)
    “tyre split” = RE (not sure about this. It’s split, all right, but where did the other half go?)
    “open” = definition.

  80. Excellent, Rupert, thanks. I hadn’t seen the other (very common) meaning of ‘since’. I agree there is no deletion indicator.
    OCHRE – Any thoughts on the firing line – firing pottery?

  81. Finished! (with help from here) Not bad for me to 1. finish 2. finish by Tuesday.
    Since I didn’t know the name of 12A, I had Curious Egg as my answer to 6D…. I’ve never heard of the actual answer before.
    I had LOTS of “pencilled-in” answers that turned out to be right, but only after I’d given up and checked. Only then did the penny start dropping for the wordplay. Oh well.

  82. @CL,
    IMHO, pencilled in is better than nothing at all.
    If you think textspeak is whacky, check out LEET! I’m waiting for DA to start putting some LEET into his clues.

  83. IPuzzled, I was saying that txt led me astray because it was BBS speak, long long before it was text, or popular. I read alt.motorcycles ….
    Was there an alt.cryptic ?

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