DA Confusion for the 27/28th of April, 2012

Have your confusions sorted out right about now (the funk soul brother).

95 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 27/28th of April, 2012

  1. Got the south half done, still a few to go for coffee time. Had to Google the Swedish solver and two of the authors (at least one of which I once knew).

    I liked 29A, 9D, 15D and 27A.

  2. All done, for the first time in months. Had to resort to Google again for 13A, though most literate Aussies should know this one.

    12A is another very good clue.

    19A is not fat, though it is similar. Removing the 4th letter would make it fat. And while I’m nitpicking, if 24D were just a music festival it would only be three letters.

  3. I am not well-read so Google may be my friend today.

    I am about half-done.

  4. as a da ‘noob’ ( and cryptic beginner) , the whole author / solver thing has be at an impasse.
    help !

  5. Rupert
    Re25A: dispensing tablet means remove Ecstacy (twice). (Also, author not part of theme genre?)
    Did you get the wordplay for 10A? I get the ammo part.

  6. Glaring mistake in 9d. It would have bee a brilliant clue if Ma was a chemical element. Can anyone defend it?

  7. Re 9D: Masurium? (defunct name for element 43 Technetium) So says Google! Very Iffy indeed.

  8. 25D: Sorry, Mike H, still not getting it.

    Scott: the solvers are not cryptic solvers, but the sort of solver an author (e.g. 10A, 14A, 16A, 28A and 29A) may write about.

  9. Done. Didn’t understand the wordplay for 25 d until reading the above comments. Don’t understand the “club” in 9d. Took a while to see wordplay in 12a…very good.

  10. I think the whole clue is meant to make us think of the club scene in Manchester, where the brothers in question originated. Potentially gold, but DA the BA isn’t totally up with his periodic table.

  11. Re25d: Final place getter (past tense, 2 words) minus a “way”. Expression: “Stone motherless ….”

  12. “…Re25A: dispensing tablet means remove Ecstacy (twice). (Also, author not part of theme genre?)…”

    now that i have the answer, can you explain what on earth this means ??

  13. @Mike H : In 25A I think that “dispensing tablet” removes only one ecstasy. The first is removed by “barely”.

  14. @Geoff: Quite right, the first of two.
    @Scott: Arrived minus e plus function minus e.

  15. As usual, finding this very difficult. If it hadn’t been for getting the ‘Swedish solver’, thanks to hint above. I’d only have three answers, now I have five. But, struggling on.

  16. Not getting anywhere, six solved, a possible seventh. Clues above not helpful, to this moron. But 4D? Paid off the mortgage? Can’t understand clue at all, really.

  17. 4D: Diet booze is the definition, meaning a (mostly) American drink that is even thinner and less tasty than their usual. privileged is a 5 letter word for the top echelon, which then has it’s initial trimmed. liver is a common synonym for live formed into an non-word by the adding of the appropriate suffix.

  18. Finished in less than 2 hours today but still a bit unsure how some answers work – 13A and 16A, for instance.

  19. @Victor 13 A was the first that I got (and only one for a while). Letters 1,2,3 and 9 are the white sort letters 4-8 are a very loose synonym of off.
    Have an answer for 24A but don’t ge the wordplay.
    Thanks to hint above I have 9d and I have 5d and 18d, but that is it. Although for once I’ve picked up the theme early. Suspect I will be doing a lot of googling today.

  20. Another one where I thought I was finally stumped, but then left & came back an hour later and the old right brain had done its work. Still mystified by the wordplay in 12a though…

  21. Am about to shred this one. Not getting any further than my intial five answers despite spending over an hour on it. Are you making any progress Arthur?

  22. Aha! Finished early today. Being a fan of the theme helped a lot, making some answers obvious without any thought. Still lost on some of the wordplay though – 12a, 24a, 16a?

  23. Would anybody be able to scan a copy of today’s DA and post it, as we are in Vietnam and suffering withdrawal symptoms.
    Or is there another way of viewing it?

  24. Rupert, I actually had ‘Debt Free” there, so your clue has sorted that out. Mrs C remembered the raincoat (15D), so I now have SW corner completed. The chemistry in 9D conveys nothing atm. Looked at lists of UK football clubs, found nothing. Pressing on.

  25. 9D football will get you nowhere Arthur. I doubt you’ve heard of them, it has something to do with modern music.

  26. nn, BrianB; 24A wordplay is a couple of synonyms, one in the other. I am mostly stumped though with only 8 solved so far (albeit a late start this morning).

  27. Finally twigged 12A wordplay, and as usual it’s obvious once you see it! Clue: sos

  28. Thanks, nn. I’m down to last seven, I hope.But 29A? Any connection with letters Ag? Lacking 10, 12, 16A, 2, 3, 8, 9D. I was a voracious reader around 65-70 years ago, read only the daily paper now, so author’s names don’t come readily. But the names of past ones still in the memory.

  29. gave up after still only having five answers, my worst for quite some time. Upon checkning answers it became apparent that I hadn’t hear of half of the Authors, so no hope of getttig this one out. Pity as it looked quite good if you were reasonably familiar with it.

  30. Now, only 3D to go. Do not understand 10A (and some others), but certainly ties in with 8D, so must be right. Pop sensation?Don’t really want to know any of those.

  31. Arthur, can’t help you with 10A, never heard of this person so I can’t think of any hints and the wordplay is too messy to get you the answer. Even after seeing the answer it takes a bit to get the wordplay.
    12 think inspector samuel. Wordplay is clever (in fact too clever as you have no hope of getting the answer from it.). Author of this is 16A
    2d def is “in old Palestine”, a good chap came from here a couple of thousand years ago.
    3d is a modern singer. It is a hidden word. Penguin might be a better def.
    8d first 3 letters of 3d is this fellow’s first name.
    9d apart from the Ma,what are the other bits all types of? The answer is another singing group consisting of a couple of brothers from Manchester, but you probably haven’t heard of them Arthur.
    Given the modern singer nature of a few of the answers, you’ve done rather well today Arthur, much better than me!

  32. Took me too long to type Arthur! Well done. I just couldn’t get enough of a start on this to get enough cross letters in anything to even do a bit of googling or word finding.
    10A wordplay. What are cartridges a type of? Then clip (shorten) this. This is inside letters 1, 5, 6, 7. Rifle is a anagrind, the is the fodder. Final letter is given by “close to ghost”. As I said, no hope of getting the answer from the wordplay and pretty difficult to get the wordplay from the answer

  33. All done in around two hours. I’m a trivia nut, so found this puzzle a lot of fun, but can understand pop culture being a bit of an obstacle for many solvers. And I’ve either read all the authors or seen adaptations of their work, which helped a great deal. 25d was very tricky wordplay, but the def was so straightforward it hardly mattered.

    Arthur, 10a, think Humphrey Bogart. The wordplay is fairly basic. A word meaning “cartridges” clipped inside a rifle of “the” and the close of ghost.

  34. Still not sure about the full parsing of 10a, and isn’t there something a bit iffy about the reference to 21a in the clue for 11a? What happened to the second word?
    Loved the clue for 29, when I finally worked it out.
    Hadn’t heard of 13a, so will investigate – always good to find a previously unknown series of books in a favourite genre, as this is for me.

  35. @Mary, 21A ref in 11a very iffy. Presume it is supposed to clue first and last letters of 11A, but only the first word in 21A would do this as you say.
    Agree, 29A is clever, but I didn’t get it. 13A was only one I actually worked out, having read the books. Have read those by 28A too, but didn’t get the answers (half the author’s name is missing and the solver is a homophone that I didn’ pick up. Rest of them were beyond me, which is a shame as it looks like a pretty good puzzle if you are familiar with the theme.

  36. going it alone for the time being (very slowly!) – just popped in to say I REALLY liked 29a

  37. Ahh, 26a seems obvious now I’ ve fixed my spelling mistake. The ma in 9d seems a stretch, had to google the answer.

  38. This is really hard to do when I don’t know who the authors are. Are they writers of detective novels? Even though I do read many such writers, there are so many that I find it very hard to associate names with the clues. It’s very dispiriting. So far I only have 4 solutions that I think are correct. If I am correct, the author in 25A is not a detective writer

  39. Conny, yes, 25A is out of place here.

    The authors are, I think, very well known – 16A and 22D being the only ones who aren’t household names. They are all best known for their detective stories.

  40. Quite an enjoyable one. Totally stuck on 27A. – ermined????. We don’t get the wordplay in quite a few – as others appear to be.

  41. Spooner was a Proffessor who was reputed to transpose the sounds in the beginning of words. His classic example was ‘You have hissed all your mystery lessons, and tasted nearly three worms”. Where as he meant to say – “You have missed all your history lessons and wasted nearly three terms’. Does that help?

  42. Michelle. In the spooner clue, it might help if you transpose the clue into “purchases a bee” for ” Gets a buzz”

  43. Thanks. I usually only get one or two if I’m lucky in Saturday’s xword.

  44. Michelle. If you have 12A, you should be able to get 16A. Try googling the author of your answer in 12A.

  45. Here’s a nearly useless hint. The first names of the authors are: Albert, Arthur, Colin, Dashiell, Georges, Mickey and Raymond.

  46. Thoroughly disappointing, I’m afraid. I’m clearly not well-read enough.
    Coupled with a lot of overly contrived wordplays and lacking the usual wit, this one left me cold. Chuckled out loud at 9D and 15D.

  47. Have the answers (I think) but need some help with the wordplay on a couple:
    27a, 7d, 23d (a homophone?) and 25d (even with the hints above – a saying?)
    Took me a while to get the wordplay of 16a/12a and 29a but they are very clever. Had the wrong brothers for 9d orignally, was trying to get ‘linoleum’ out of Liam and Noel!
    So do you think there is a ‘queens of crime’ puzzle in the offing?

  48. Its a bit late to be joining in but I have only just managed to sit down and spend some time with the crossword. I have most of it out but am struggling with 1A, 2D, 3D and 10A. Any hints much appreciated. Being a fan of the genre I have enjoyed this weeks puzzle, although it did take some time to crack the theme.

  49. RAD. 1A think about another name for “survey” and put it backwards(about) at the end – then anagram “case” for the 1st 4 letters. Means “make a shell”.
    2D is a place in old Palestine – pretty obvious if you have 8D, and use another typical name for a song.
    3D it’s in the clue
    10 A – anagram “the” with a slang name for ammunition in it (clipped)- last letter is”close to ghost”.

  50. Sam, 27a: detach homophone of debt from a 10-letter word for judged
    7d: 1st letter married, 2&3 superior, 4-7 different superior, minus letter for one.
    23d: double definition, first part a UK snake
    25d: two-word expression for finished after everyone else (4,4), minus a way. (I had to google from the earlier hint to find the connection to motherless, which I’d never heard of.)

  51. Sam:
    27A is a 10-letter word (“judged) with the first 3 letters (sounding like “debt”) removed (“abolished”).

    7D has first letter “married”, next two letters “superior”, last four letters “one away from superior” (a five-letter word with one letter removed).

    23D is more a homonym than a homophone – it has the same spelling. 25D explanation is as follows: two words (4,4) – the last word has its last three letters (“away” -> a way -> a st) removed (“dropped”).

    Re 9D I thought Liam and Noel too at first, but wasn’t smart enough to see the linoleum angle!

  52. Michelle – How’d you go?
    AND Joe – where are you when you’re needed??

  53. Thanks Doug and Gwyn. All done now. I struggle with the spelling of 2 down but after googling am happy that I have the right answer.

  54. Taking the crossword with me to finish at work today. I say finish with a lot of hope in it. Lol
    Thank u all for ur help. I’m so glad I discovered this site.

  55. Help with word play for 12A, 22D (but can see “zip up”) and 8D (Is this a gender issue?)

  56. 12A: The answer is a code in which “Tom” is represented as “dash, dash-dash-dash, dash-dash”, i.e. thoroughly dashing.

    22D: Virtual citizen (letters 1 – 3) refers to one of the inhabitants of an artificial world, made famous in a series of games of the same name.

    8D: It is a gender issue. It’s a homophone for how a bitch is “done” at the vet’s. The clue appears to be missing a word? The definition should be “10A’s solver”, with the word “solver” missing from the SMH digital edition.

  57. If there’s anybody still about on here today, and purely as a matter of interest, can someone explain the ‘motherless’ bit of 25d in more detail? Is the expression it’s part of exclusively Aussie? Apart from wiki, which wasn’t very forthcoming, I could only find references to it on sports sites, mostly footie. And in the context of the clue, ‘was motherless’ would seem to indicate coming at the beginning of a sequence, not at the end!
    I think this clue is the only one I take exception to, really. It seems a bit too much of an ask to have to take the middle word of a three-word phrase which is itself rather obscure, in order to get a two-word phrase and then drop three-quarters of the letters in the second word! Or am I just being a whingeing Pom again?

  58. 25D: I didn’t get the wordplay, either, though the definition was easy enough. The sports sites have the appropriate usage.
    I originally started down the road of LLAMA – MA, and only got the answer once I had all the cross letters.
    So I may be a Pom (and a Kiwi) but I’m not whingeing. At least not at the moment ;)

  59. “Came stone motherless last” is the expression. Use “Came” and drop “a st” (way) from last.

  60. Mary, like me, you are a whingeing Pom, but, as long as your whingeing is justified, which I think is the case regarding 25D, you should wear that label with pride!

    Googling seems to indicate that “stone motherless” is an intensifier, often preceding “broke” or “last”. The fact that the definition (“beast of burden”) is straightforward does not excuse such tortured wordplay!

    Now for some more whingeing: as others have commented, 11A’s reference to 21A is surely inaccurate. “Cheers” would be fine, but not “cheers on”. And I don’t get 22D’s “virtual citizen” = SIM. Is this a reference to the video game or the smart phone card?

  61. Doug & Gwen, Yes, I understand where the answer came from, but I was quibbling about the construction of the clue, which has ‘motherless’ by itself. As far as I can see from various comments and google entries, the expression needs to contain ‘stone motherless’ as the emphasis bit, and the ‘stone’ is completely missing from the clue. (‘Came motherless last’ doesn’t seem to exist.) DA wants us to get ‘came last’ from ‘was motherless’, and all I’m saying is that seems to me to be a tortuous step too far!
    Unless DA knows something else that we’re all missing…?

  62. Mary,
    As DA , I and lots of others know, is that cryptic crossword clues should never be totally by the usual formulas, otherwise they would be way too easy.
    A DA crossword is good because it makes us think outside the Square. Circle ,Triangle. Dodecahedron etc.
    I thought instantly the beast of burden def was either a donkey,mule or camel, the word came as instantly

  63. RB,
    Sim is a reference to the computer game , SIM City , Or the SIMs

  64. Jimmy, yes of course the answer is obviously camel, it was one of the first ones I filled in after getting 25a early on. But if all we were interested in was filling in the answer, we’d be doing boring definition crosswords, not cryptics at all. With DA, most of the fun comes from working out in detail (often after the answer has been filled in), where on earth his convoluted mind is taking us this time, and I don’t at all mind boundaries or envelopes being pushed. But one of the things that makes him excellent is that he sticks scrupulously to some basic principles, and I reckon we’re right to quibble on occasion if we think he might have strayed a bit too far. Like the possible omission of the word ‘solver’ in the clue for 8d and the query about the reference to 21a in the clue for 11a. That’s what makes this site so interesting!

  65. Mary . you are never right to quibble with DA, his clues are always excellent whether we see them or not.
    One of the the things that makes his crosswords good is that he DOESNT stick to boring Sunday Herald Sun principles.
    There was no need for the word solver in 8D, he mentioned it in 2D and 10A.
    And 11A obviously goes with 21A.
    Seems to me your whingeing

  66. Sorry, never meant to start a spat – this is not usually that sort of site, which is one of the things I like about it. (‘Never right to quibble’, seems a bit strong, tho, Jimmy.)
    Signing off now, so over and out.
    (Though my husband always quibbles about that – he says the last radio communication should always be just ‘out’ without the ‘over’.)

  67. Jimmy, Mary has made some legitimate criticisms of 3 of the clues. As usual, the comments provoke interesting discussion among fellow solvers. I don’t think she’s whinging (even if she is a Pom!).

  68. JimmyDArat: if you’re joking (please note correct punctuation of “you’re”), it’s not funny; if you’re being serious, you’re way out of order.

    For the record, I agree with all of Mary’s arguments. And I note we are not alone. You are, of course, entitled to your own opinions, but you’re NOT entitled to state them so offensively and with such a lack of supporting argument. Your sweeping assertion that “you are never right to quibble with DA, his clues are always excellent” is just plain SILLY!

    Re 25D, to dismiss criticism of the wordplay on the grounds that the straightforward definition made it easy to solve is not good enough IMO. You must be able to argue that the wordplay is coherent and fair.

  69. Thought I’d just pop back to defend DA against Rupert’s early minor quibble with 24d, to redress the balance a bit! When Peter Gabriel started WOMAD in 1980, and then organised the first festival in 1982, it was certainly primarily a music festival, and was referred to as such by people who went to it. Over the years, and the different world venues it’s spread to, the contribution of other art forms has increased, but it’s still generally regarded as a music festival with extras. So I’m happy with the 24d clue, so there!

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