DA Confusion for the 6/7th of April, 2012

Discombobulation on a bellyful of chocolate ain’t the greatest place to be, so sort out your discombobulations here.

122 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 6/7th of April, 2012

  1. We Victorians have, once again, a ‘Friday/Saturday’ Age. Have never understood why The Age does this during holiday periods, the same paper issued on consecutive days. Any ideas?

  2. Fab theme today. Got it very late I’m the piece. A tad unsure about 7D which is my last.

  3. 7d is the only one I’ve got after staring at it for half an hour I have no idea on the rest of it.

  4. Yah – all out quite quickly once I got the theme. Can’t believe it was 10A, 1D that gave it to me. I’m usually useless at that sort of clue, but it jumped out at me.
    @sb – for 8A think sports grounds, or Gracie…. but 17A will give it to you.

  5. Unusually straightforward, I thought. And it’s here on a holiday Friday! Don’t usually find myself at a loose end before lunch.

  6. thanks Jonathan – I did get 10a, 1d and 26a (and a few others). Probably need to know more about 26a, eg for 13a.
    Time to put it away and come back later with fresh eyes.
    Enjoy the day!

  7. I hate it when everyone finds it easy and I’ve only got two answers. Am about ready to shred it with the pen. How are you finding it Arthur? Rupert is unusually quiet today.

  8. I’m envious of those of you who finish so quickly. My wife and I do the puzzle together but rarely finish by lunchtime and often take until the next day. Currently we have 6 left including the bottom left hand corner, apart from 27a. Hints for 24, 25d and 21d would be welcome!

  9. Victor : I admire your tenacity…unless it’s done by nightfall it’s not done.

  10. nn, I’m struggling. I remembered 3D, from a marvellous book by Hofstadter. Also knew the ‘fixed’ singer of 27A (EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKK).But apart from that, have only 7 & 16D, and 15A. I DO NOT like clues that refer to another I usually can’t solve. Late starting today, came home from church, had lunch, now contemplating after-dinner nap. So, back later.

  11. or look at the four colours in 11, 17, 24, and 28A (ignoring black, which is not really a colour anyway!)

  12. Thanks GB I have been looking at 10A for a couple of hours assuming scrabble was the anagrind. Have been on the internet anagram solvers but all to no avail. Am I after a kid’s game, TV show, character or what??
    Arthur, so far I have 3d and 23d as the only ones I completely understand. (I’ve read Hofstadter’s book too, fantastic). I also have 8a thanks to hint above, 21d ditto and 7d from the def. Don’t understand how any of these are linked to the theme (whatever the theme is). Have a flower for 28a but who knows if it is the right one.
    The superhero in 15a is driving me nuts, can’t think of one that fits the letter count.

  13. @ nn – I think all the confusion today is because of the proper names and colours. Once you realise that the three letter word in 10A, 1D is the obvious one you get the rest, and you’re off with the theme…
    And though I don’t, it might help to have kids.

  14. two possible obvious three letter words in 10a 1d, but not helping. I have kids, but they are almost grown up now, so if it is something recent I could be in trouble.
    Arthur I’ve no idea who that singer is.

  15. ok got 10a 1d now after trying another anagram solver. Had heard of this one. Now I see a connection between the four colours. Maybe getting somewhere now

  16. @nn,
    Don’t want to give away the theme so early, so I’ll be veiled here.
    The theme is not literary or to do with the movies. Nor it is a game. It was Australian but is now international. People with young kids (or grandkids) will be across this.
    I hope this helps ease your frustration.

  17. nn,
    Re 15A,
    A bit of misdirection from DA, methinks. ‘press’ here does not mean the media.

  18. Re 21D.
    Was surprised at how city-specific this one is. Perhaps making up for James Hird last week?

  19. thanks iPuzzled. Have the hero now, had to google a great long list of them, never heard of this one. Have 21d thanks to hint above, have been there so at least I’d heard of it. Don’t have 11a yet so no idea how this relates to it.
    Am making some progress now, but needing a lot of help from google and word finders.

  20. Getting there! now 5 to go: 12a, 13a, 17a and 4d, 5d.
    nn – 27a does not refer to a particular singer; but does refer to a particular censor

  21. thanks sb, will concentrate my efforts on censors, guess there is a singer in it somewhere or did this censor fix the singer? Can’t help you with any of the ones you are stuck on as they are on my list of unknowns too. Am not finding this one easy at all (despite what others have said). Feel really sorry for Arthur, not sure how much chance he will have of getting the theme.

  22. @Arthur C.
    Some post-nap assistance:
    18D, 2D and 5D and possibly 22A might be clues to focus on for a while, as they are typical cryptic clues and have nothing to do with the theme, and IMHO they aren’t too difficult. Then maybe move to 19D, 14D and 20A.

    I hope that the gospel (good news about Jesus) was central to the sermon at your church this morning. I’m thankful that it is preached every Sunday at my church.

    Can anyone remember if DA has ever compiled a Bible-themed puzzle? Arthur C. would eat that up, I expect.

  23. @sb,
    Re 5D:
    “He jokes” is the def.
    “against” gives letters 1,2 and 8.
    “tv and twitter” gives letters 3-7. DA could have used “radio and newspapers” just as easily.
    “adopting” is a containment indicator. DA loves these insertions/wraps. I think it’s the mechanism in his puzzles.

  24. Sorry. The final sentence in my previous post should be: I think it’s the most common mechanism in his puzzles.

  25. @sb just got 13a, think dance. The answer is a “neighbour” of a type of arch

  26. thanks iPuzzled for 5a
    and thanks nn for 13a
    nn – he’s a historic censor

  27. I have Friday’s Age and the compiler is DS number 19649. Must be only the metro area that have DA in today’s Age… Hmmm will have to wait until tomorrow to make sense of the above! Grrr.

  28. @Karen I’m in Melbourne. Our Age has the title Saturday 6 April, despite the fact that the 6th is a Friday. DS is at the back of the main (broadsheet) part, but we also got the smaller sized bit that holds the classifieds etc that usually comes on a saturday. DA is on page 17 of the “life and style” section. Did you get that bit?

  29. @nn – No. Ended up with the sports section, good weekend and 2 (yes 2) travellers. Think that is where the mistake is. No life and leisure section…sob.

  30. Thanks folks, some hints above I haven’t studied yet. But for the censor nn asked about (since nn has already filled in the word, Google the four remaing letters and you’ll find a Roman statesman of that name.
    And yes, iPuzzled, beaut service this morning. I had requested we sing the all-time
    favourite ‘The old rugged cross’ but goose of a Pastor put it on first instead of last.
    I’m no nearer getting the ‘children’s favourite’. Story characters? Game? Not ringing any bells, so still (post-nap) only six solved. That 10A, 1D seems a key. 26A seems related?

  31. thanks Arthur, got the censor from the wordplay.
    Not sure how to give you a hint to the whole thing without giving it away, but 26A is the key to it all, group of kids’ entertainers. 10A/1d is a character associated with this group. Pretty well known bunch of Aussies especially to any young kid. If you have grandchildren, it might be worthwhile enlisting their help. Lots of the clues refer to the names of the people in the group or the characters associated with them. I think you will need to do lots of googling for this Arthur.
    As far as I can tell anything with a colour in the clue is connected to the theme as well as every clue that is cross referenced to another clue. That makes about 14 (if I’ve counted correctly) that are connected to the theme, so if you can’t get the theme then you will have a lot of trouble.

  32. Arthur – she’s a big, green, prehistoric character from the theme entertainers.

  33. Well, nn, your clue helped immediately. Those people are often on the TV, I don;t know the associated character in 10A 1D, but Google will give me that. So, full steam ahead. From the well-known hymn., Amazing Grace: ‘I once was lost, but now I’m found’. Probably won’t take me long to get into further trouble.

  34. can anyone explain the thunderous aria finale bit of the wordplay in 24a25d? I can see the black shirt in first two and last two letters, so I suppose the remaining ones are the thunderous aria finale, but I can’t make any sense of them.
    Also wordplay in 17a, 4d, 21d

  35. nn – ‘thunderous’ is FF as in very loud with the final letter of ‘aria’.

  36. 21D – first letters (tops) of ‘too high’, with 11A’s surname reversed (up).

  37. thanks GB, can’t believe I didn’t see nursing!
    I’ll forgive myself on the horse one though, I get a bit annoyed when he uses single letters as an abbreviation for words unless they are commonly used ones such as H and C for hot and cold, M for men/male etc. but H for horse is a bit much.

  38. No, too hard I’m afraid. Giving it away for today, possibly altogether. I feed the three letters I have in 2D into my wordfinder, it brings up 112 words, including beholdings and cipollinos. Will retire gracefully, too much trouble. CU next week.

  39. Yes, nn – he gets a bit carried away looking for clever surface meanings sometimes! I often only get the wordplay after I’ve found the answer.

  40. @GB,
    I think the clever surfaces set DA apart from many other setters. I’m willing to put up with some “creative” clues because a smooth surface is so much harder to penetrate, therefore making the clue that much more challenging (and satisfying when you solve it).

    No Rupert today?

  41. they’re only clever when he doesn’t have to resort to being too “creative”!!

  42. Thanks for the hints – nearly there now. I’ll find 21d by searching a map of Sydney, leaving just 12a. Have all the letters but still can’t get it.

  43. It’s ok iPuzzled, I didn’t say DA wasn’t the best going around! The only crossword I look at these days.

  44. This puzzle pretty much spilled out when the theme became evident.
    The last in was 7dn which is quite clever as that colour W existed very early on but was cut soon after.

  45. A visit to 2 websites gave this childless one the necessary details. I dislike ‘themes’ that require specific knowledge (or, in this case, for me, ‘data’). It reminds me of those websites that suggest one can ‘learn more’, when they are not about ‘learning’ at all. I also reckon at least half the DA followers knew how to spell the 26A name, but, like me, that was it. I never wanted to know all this stuff and will try to forget it. The fact that I have completed this DA may help anyone wondering if I’m suffering sour grapes. I still love the guy, in all his brilliant, perverse glory! But 2/10 today.

  46. Got it out. Yippee. I need one of these, easier ones, every so often. I see it as DA’s way of encouraging some of us. Makes it easier to front up every week and continue to struggle through – like I normally do.

  47. Having solved last week’s, and heard DA in person in Newcastle, I thought this week would be easy – it was not – thanks to all the trippers for their help.

  48. @Kk: 22A the “or DA” bit has the anagrind puzzle.
    19D is a hidden word, indicated by “some”
    14D Check clue for a “detail” and then 50s are two Ls with a word between them.

  49. Spent the day mowing the lawn and being generally useful, and only found out through a chance trip to 7/11 that DA was in the Friday paper! Not used to fighting with DA in the evening, but got it out after consulting Wikipedia for the appropriate names.
    12a,22a and 27a all excellent clues IMHO
    I agree to an extent with dilettante – having to use references for specialist knowledge is always disappointing. Endorse iPuzzleds sentiments as well; DAs surfaces are much of what sets him apart.
    First DA done for some weeks without JD; strange to grapple with DA without a series of ‘oh…oh!’ from the other side of the table!

  50. Very easy puzzle this week. Very clever clues though. Once you got the theme it was all done. DA rarely uses the hidden word!

  51. Always love the themes and had enough memories of having kiddies to get the prehistoric creature that set me off.
    My only puzzle is with the word play on 9A. Can anyone explain it?

  52. Reference to 28A – his surname is the first 4 letters. Knowing to remove lid from – ‘aware’ without the first letter.

  53. Hi all, am new here. Very pleased to have got this week’s out with thanks to your hints – and I don’t have kids. MD, wordplay on 9A is last name of 28A plus removing ‘lid’ of synonym for ‘knowing’

  54. I must say that I agree with dilettante above.When I have do do half of the crossword from Mr Google’s data, I don’t think it’s exactly cryptic. I don’t know any more about these people other than their name. Anyway, that said I wonder if anyone can help me with 16D?As far as I can see, no one has mentioned it.

  55. PS: as dilettante also said, I have completed it all except for said 16D and I DO enjoy DA. When he is really witty like ‘ambit’ for Cleopatra’s last words a week or so ago

  56. The timing of this one was all wrong for me – it’s not a weekend when I have my grand-daughters with me. Had to do a lot of Googling, and got in a total muddle with names – at one point I’d written down 28 as Wilcher, so was completely bemused trying to fit that to people’s helpful hints about 9a. 21d and 6d were quite hard for a relative newcomer to Oz with no access to children – do I assume that 6d is a reference to the song? (As opposed eg to the Queen otherwise known as Maude, or the little girl who told such dreadful lies!)

  57. Conny – ‘dog’ is the synonym, the ‘demon’ is the most obvious 5-lettered one, which has swallowed I for ‘one’. ‘A large’ gives the first 2 letters.
    I think a working knowledge of the names, colours and characters of our country’s most famous children’s entertainers (and almost the most famous outright, given their exposure overseas) is a reasonable expectation from DA. And no, I don’t have children and have never seen their act, but they’re as ubiquitous as The Simpsons, aren’t they?
    By contrast, I had to google ‘Quiet American’.

  58. We didn’t get a Friday paper here, but DA was in the Saturday edition (dated April 6-7) as usual. Karen, you must have our Traveller section, although that doesn’t explain where it’s been for the last several months. Anyway, back to serious mattersā€¦ Got the theme early but knowing no details had to Google names. Thus I discovered that 28A wasn’t based on a misspelling of a synonym for “red”. I think I have the clifftops in 21D, but cannot work out the connection with 11A. Only a handful to go, including the censor and the equestrian.

  59. Once more, as soon as I’d hit “Post Comment” I thought of the censor. Yes, 27A quite witty.

  60. Got 22A (not 23!) thanks to remembering symbols from school chemistry classes.

  61. Thanks Jonathan. So the def is “cliff” not “cifftops”, and it’s a very clever clue. I hadn’t googled enough to know the surname.

  62. Thanks Dave R and I take your point about all of us having gaps in our factual knowledge and choosing a well exposed group is really fair enough. Thanks for the 16D hints. I should have been able to work this out. Oh the dratted hindsight again!

  63. All done now. Time for a cuppa and a meal, then to cheer on the Tigers to another honorable loss.

  64. Love this week’s DA. Easy, but really clever. Very satisfying. I had a quick look yesterday before watching my beloved South Sydney wollop the Bulldogs and got 23d, 22a, 18d and 16d in seconds. Got up today, cracked 10a/1d and the rest fell into place. I must say the theme didn’t baffle me at all – these guys have been making news for so long it’s rare that people in Oz don’t know about them. My girlfriend’s brother also built their studio, while my little brother teaches the red one’s kid, who my girlfriend also used to live nextdoor to in Enmore. Judging by the gigs I see him at, he has excellent taste in rock and roll.

  65. And not to be picky, GB, but I had “thunderous” in 24a/25d clueing “fff” rather than “ff” (which would only be very loud).

  66. David told me to think of colours … Well Berri and I just completed all of this Friday’s cryptic and we are so excited. Thanks DA

  67. I was going to point out fff but thought I’d wait till someone else did…;)

  68. Meh! Agree with dilettante and conny. For me this was a Google exercise (and I didn’t get the colours connection till I ditched the Wikipedia site and went for thewiggles site). Not for me. This is more trivia than general knowledge. I’d heard the name of the group (and I vaguely remember one of them having to take time out through illness) but that was the extent of my knowledge. Also, didn’t like 21D (too Sydneycentric – I thought “the gap” was something you minded on the London Underground), or the tortured 14D (“scruffs choose detail” – YUK). On the positive side, there was one good clue – 27A.

  69. Help with 28a please. I have all others, even 9a, but just can’t get this last one. Assuming a river but can’t see it not connection with 27a. Merman?

  70. It’s a river in northern Vic (or southern NSW) and the first name of one of The Wiggles (the one who wears red). Presumably the ellipsis links back to the word “singer”.

  71. Of course. I got all the other colour ones and then kept looking for Chinese rivers for this one. Thanks RB.

  72. So how does 27a work? CASTRO = CENSOR WITH ‘AT’ INSIDE. ‘PERVERSE SKILLS’?

  73. dg, 27A was a good one (the only good one IMO!). It’s not CASTRO with AT inside, but CATO (censor) with STRA inside (ARTS backwards).

  74. The only clue I couldn’t get was

    formerly starting to supply missiles for warships (3,5)
    with letters .A./M.R.N.

    Can anyone help me out?

  75. I had to wait for the answer to be printed to get this one. It’s the person who wore the yellow shirt while the original yellow shirt was ill.

    formerly starting = S (though it could have been F)
    missiles = 4 letter abbreviation for ammunition
    warships = 3 letter abbreviation for your national armada.

  76. Ahh, got it. Cheers, Rupert :)

    Nothing in the clue to suggest that’s the subject, apart from formerly – but then it’s serving a dual purposeā€¦ seems a bit of a stretch :S

  77. My take on 12A takes note of the ellipsis:
    “yellow one….formerly” is the definition
    “starting to supply” = S
    then as per Rupert above

  78. Fri/Sat 6/7 Apr is is the first DA I’ve completed & I’m ecstatic. In fact, I’ve only ever managed half a dozen answers ever, so I take it this was considered an easy one? Kitty

  79. Congratulations Kitty!
    Yes, I found it more straightforward than usual, but it looks like plenty of people struggled with the theme, so well done.

  80. I don’t appreciate needing to use Wikipedia to do a cryptic. Sure general knowledge would include The Wiggles, Dorothy and probably Wags. But not The Wiggles’ names!

  81. dg, I agree too. Except I’d go further and remove Dorothy and Wags from your list too.

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