DA Confusion for the 28/29th of October, 2011

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72 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 28/29th of October, 2011

  1. @RobT tried to help me with my confusion:

    > 8D: split word into 4&5 and you’ll understand it.
    Well, no. I had assumed the HBO series was going to be first, and that the second part was going to be a homophone of a synonym of “inferior”. Turns out there isn’t an HBO series called [first 4], but there is one called [last 5].

    >27A: Hole=O. The first word is a personage in Oz. Local knowledge required.
    I have box as the kind that juice comes in, and the answer as something else you find in the newspaper. I think I must be wrong, since, like the RWC final, there are no Aussies involved ;)

    >20D: I’m with you. no idea about the last 3 letters.
    @Gayle got this one: “25D head for” is the fodder for “oddly”.

    >6D: first 3 words is an expression/definition.
    I have an answer that has the first word as a definition that begins with the second word. I was looking for the last two words of the clue to clue the last three letters of the answer.

    >5A: I don’t like the way it’s put but read the answer backwards and you’ll get it.
    Ah, yes. I saw the last three letters and thought that must be block, and that there must be some way of getting from a synonym of “mental” associated with Michael Bentine to the first four letters, possibly by removing one or more of NEWS.

  2. Re 20D – check the words ‘head for’ – letters 2/4/6. If you tack 25D onto the start of ‘head for’ it oddly becomes clear…

  3. Rupert, the first word of 27a is a name if an Aussie who compiles such things for the newspaper

  4. I have finished, with almost no help from here. Not quite pool room and plenty of google etc. But I got there. Still not sure of wordplay on a few though: 6d (I am with Rupert above); 7d; and 25d. Any thoughts?

  5. 7D is a double definition, the break between the two definitions is between farm and block.

    25D: Think of a priest that you can remove the roman numerals for 7 from to get a form of transport.

  6. Thanks Rupert. I hadn’t heard that meaning of ‘buy the farm’ before. And I assumed you meant the roman numeral for six, not seven.

  7. In spite of a very late night with some uni work and a long shift, I managed to knock over today’s DA very quickly. About the quickest I’ve ever nutted one out, a little over an hour, although I can’t quite claim it, as I needed Google for 13D and this forum for 7D (like Sandy, I’d never heard the first definition).
    My suggestion for 6D: a homophone, with the answer often expressed after an accident, ‘I something-ed my car’. Though, there would be no requirement for the homophone element to the clue, if in fact I’m on the right track. Hmmm…

  8. Half way through this one I was enjoying it. Then it all turned sour. Far too much googling/obscurity/other irritations (including too much Americana) for me. Overall verdict: Meh!

  9. Well done Rob on your PB. 45 minutes! As you say you must have been in the zone whereas I wasn’t this week. Funny how it goes.
    Started off in good spirit getting 23D and 26A in seconds. There followed a few others but by the end of the day it wasn’t going to happen so looked at this site.
    I’d say the great majority this week are very good with understandable wordplay. Exceptions for me are:
    6D: how do we get letters 3-5?
    22D: I think I have just got this one…tweaked intro… not an obscure author after all!
    12A: Got the 5 letter ‘miserly’ but the ‘calypso unit heading for lunch’? Wasted time on this one trying to work ‘buffet’ and ‘buffy’… fail!
    So that’s only two from me this week. Thanks for 25D Rupert, a classic.

  10. 6d: “lessen, say” means a truncated synonym for “say”
    12a: for Calypso unit think 80s cricket, two letters, then L for lunch.

  11. Well, off to a flying stat, had 15 before 0800, now up to 21 (I think). Am old enough to remember the car made by well-known English carmaker in the 40s (21A). And I can remember references to the substance in 13D, when I was at school in the 40s. But I have a vast gaping hole in the NE corner, so my dream run has stuttered to a halt, for the moment. Still unsure if some of my answers are right. 1D? Synonym for arrows? 27A? There are several in most newspapers, if I have the right word. Weg comes to mind? Or Leunig? But I don’t fully understand the clue.

  12. Arthur, 27 A (Bill) Leak regularly creates one too, in the Australian.
    1D don’t know it as synonym for arrows. Think synonym for young horses and a brand name of something you could shoot a horse with – same word.

  13. NE was last in for me too .. the downs 5,6,7, 8 in particular.
    7D you may know, ‘buy the farm’ apparently is a wartime phrase , what the soldier had to do to benefit the family he left behind.

  14. Thanks Gayle. Yes, I had wrong word: barbs. That is a name for a horse, I thought. A question, re vampire series, in 12A. I think there may be something about vampires on TV, but I never watch anything after 8 pm. Would the TV guide be helpful?

  15. Thank you, Ian, for filling in my blanks on wordplay. 12A: Calypso unit is good and I think I sort of had the L.
    As for 6D I can see the word ‘say’ is a deception! I thought it was a homophone indicator and of course that was DA’s intention.
    9A: For a while today I was troubled by ‘eye of the storm’ thinking it didn’t really define the answer but I have just realised that this is a reference to a particular storm in the Atlantic this year.

  16. Gayle, you remind me of when we watched black and white movies of British pilots based somewhere in the south of England. All smoked pipes, had moustaches and spoke with clipped accents. Dialogue would be something like “mind if I put my jacket in Bertie’s wardrobe?” “no, go ahead old fellow. You know he bought it this morning?” and we thought he was talking about the wardrobe.

  17. Arthur, 12A is a series of romance fantasy novels which is popular with teenage girls and also a movie. Ian above has explained part of the wordplay, put inside synoym for miserly (or drunk).
    HBO is a cable channel. The series I’d never heard of was about Hurricane Katrina if I remember what Mr Google told me yesterday. The word order isn’t all that clear, the series follows the sound like on an old tv or vinyl record player. The thing lays eggs, only a couple of them, and Aussie natives.

  18. Hey, that’s interesting Robin – hadn’t ever thought about the origin of ‘bought it’. Wonder if ‘it’ was the farm?

  19. Gayle, having looked at a couple of web sites it seems the simple phrase ‘bought it’ was in use during WWII and the second phrase ‘bought the farm’ came a little later from the USA.

    It’s always great fun doing the DA post mortem as there are so many intriguing things to find out about.

  20. Aaargh! All done except 22d! Google amd fprum free otherwise!
    Didn’t know the cartoonist or HBO show, but remembered the latex like substance from primary school social studies. Not sure about 4d but can’t see what else could fit.
    Interesting that 10a ‘talk’ clue was also in AS’s themed offering.
    5a,12a and 18a my favourites.
    Any clues for 22d?

  21. have over half of it, much of it thanks to hints above.
    Apart from 1D I have none of the NW corner, any hints?
    Also hints for 22D, 23D and 28A
    Have two words that fit 19A but no idea how either of them fit the clue.

  22. got 23d(groan) and 28a now, no idea on 22d despite having all cross letters. Is it a person?
    have 9a now too, but still no idea with 1A, 2d, 3d, 4d, 11a, 17a or if my guess for 19a is correct.

  23. 22D first-letter substitution (tweaked intro) on Irish author will give the Australian director

  24. thanks Gayle, that confirms I have no hope of getting this one as I have limited knowledge of Australian directors and not much hope of finding the author without the first letter. I’ll wait for the solution!
    Any hints on the others I’m stuck on?

  25. nn, I’m usually with you on directors. Author of Ulysses. Director of Newsfront, Dead Calm and Rabbit-Proof Fence.

  26. thanks Gayle, Ulysses and google revealed all! Am I after another playwright in 1A?

  27. 1A playwright is even more remote, from Russia, with tricky spelling, and I think the homophone and the surface aren’t readily available either. First four letters sounds like one form of payment. Last two letters typically for a Russian sound like ‘of’.

  28. 2D I liked. Cryptic definition. It’s a plumbing tool. The swimmer is the second word.

  29. got the playwright, had heard of him, much more familiar to me than the Australian director. This reveals that my guess for 4d was wrong. Have another guess for this but don’t fully get it.

  30. Having prepared, cooked and eaten lunch, had a short nap, I can return. C Major has gone off to a quilting exhibition with No1 daughter and another lady, so, back to work with at least 5 to go. Not clear on first word of 5D, nothing for 6, 7, 8D, and, of course, haven’t 5A. Is it a German city, or is that only part of the answer? I did Google the HBO series thing earlier, but there seemed to be hundreds of them. I think I could make a synonym for motif as the second half, I’d expect first half could be someone’s name. Is that on the right track?

  31. 17A took me a while to get, but it’s a double definition using the same letters. In advance, the whole word. For ‘each’ the word is divided and means per capita.

  32. Arthur it is a German city.
    6D amount is really a sum.
    7D is what happens to you when you’ve “bought it” in a war sense.
    8D for the definition, think unique australian egglayers. The last 5 letters are apparently a tv series, the tv series is part of the wordplay, it isn’t the definition.
    5D is a plumbing tool. The first word is a thing that plumbers deal with.
    Can you help me with 3D, 11A, 17A and 19A

  33. Have the director, all done now thanks to Gayle. Hadn’t heard of him but should have got it from the Irish author – kicking myself .
    Seven long days to wait now for the next one…

  34. Arthur, substitute R for the second letter of your motif for the name of the HOBO series I hadn’t heard of. It doesn’t really matter except it explains the wordplay after the event. First half is older sound technology, inferior to ‘stereo’. Definition is an egg-laying mammal.
    5A is a German city. The wordplay, which others have said they’re not entirely happy with, is reversed (disoriented). I thought it could read almost as well from L to R as well.

  35. Gayle from what I think is your definition for 17A I have an answer that fits but the rest of the wordplay completely escapes me.

  36. Re the German city, I recall something being signed there in July 1945. I think it fits the clue. Now only 8D to go, if my other guesses are correct. ‘It lays an egg’? A bird? A failure? Somebody’s name?

  37. nn, 19a sloppy is an anagrind
    11a, a bit of an indulgence for a crossword author, it’s a double definition; describing both DA and the solar sphere
    3d is not a term I’m familiar with, primed in a gardening sense is the key

  38. BRD – I don’t quite get your 3D. Does your answer mean ‘primed to explode’?

  39. I read this on Wiki about the HBO thing: Most of these shows are rated TV-MA, and often feature suggestive themes and high amounts of profanity, violence, and nudity. So, very glad I never made its acquaintance. Closing down for now, may check back later for possible clueto this one. But, one short is not too bad.

  40. Oh crumbs – how embarrassment. I had seeded as primed, I see what it should be now, and the gardened reference. Thanks for the heads up, nn my apologies. That also explains the plug reference. Thanks Gayle.

  41. thanks BRD and Gayle I think I have them all now
    Arthur, it isn’t a bird and is uniquely Australian (two of them).
    Groan on 11A.
    BRD 3d I read the gardening bit of this as the first two and last two letters. These are around the plug and describe someone who is prone to doing their block.
    Can anyone explain 5d wordplay? I get most of it, but I think knock over would be better written as knock off.
    Also 14d What does “to stop” have to do with it?
    I still don’t get wordplay in 11A

  42. Arthur, Gayle’s hint that the def is ‘egg laying mammal’ should get you home. Think platypus and echidna.

  43. All OK. Finished. I had caused myself confusion with an accidental pen mark between 5th and 6th letters of 8D, leaving me thinking it a two part answer. All done then.
    nn, don’t know if you got answers to your questions re 3D, 11A, 17A, 19A. I don’t know if my answers are correct, I don’t fully comprehend clues. For 3D, I was thinking of a newly struck match. I suspect that may be wrong. Don’t understand 17A, but I’m thinking leading. 11A think about what DA is. 19A has ‘on’ extracted, the reamining letters rearranged. My pocket dictionary describes this form of sppech as a flagrant offence against grammar or etiquette.

  44. nn, you’re 100% right, I’d completely stuffed 3d.
    With 5d, I agree with you – while you can knock over premises, or knock off items, the term in the clue is more suited to the latter usage IMHO. The other components are re and church seating to my mind.
    For 14d I thought the stop was a period to give the first letter of the answer but after 3d my confidence is shattered.

  45. 11A what does the sun do in the evening?
    14D ‘to stop’ is an insertion indicator, in the sense of to plug

  46. as I understand 14d an is rising up inside the rest of it. remove an and you get a word meaning neglect. “to stop” appears superfluous to me

  47. sorry, typo in earlier one, I get 11a wordplay, I meant 17a wordplay doesn’t quite fit for me

  48. Re 14d. to stop as an insertion indicator seems a bit dodgy to me. If you stop something you end it, so would have expected the “an” to be at the end, not in the middle.

  49. Had everything after an hour except 1D 9A – which took 23 more hours – must be sinking into 24A. But worth it in the end; if I’d had to come here to find out I’m sure I’d have 26Aed! 1A a definite fave.

  50. Hi all
    this is my first post, after much time reading all comments. With some of your (and others) help today I have just one to go 13D- can’t get it out! Is is a type of palm sugar? Does it end with cha.

  51. I am with nn and BRD on the knock over knock off question in 5D. It may be that various online dictionaries have ‘knock over’ to mean ‘steal’ but I don’t think we’d hear that very often.
    For example we might hear “I think someone’s knocked off my biro. Only left it there for a minute”. Has anyone heard ” I think someone’s knocked over my biro…”?

  52. 17A nn once again you mention something I felt too. “Each in advance.” Well we all know ‘each’ is EA but the whole thing is ‘in advance’ i.e. AHEAD.
    Google tells me AHD means ‘ahead’ so we have AH(EA)D. This is therefore really “each in ‘in advance’ ” isn’t it? Rupert, any ideas?

  53. Robin, I reckon the wordplay for 17A is simply as Gayle (I think) suggested earlier, namely “each” = “a head”, as in “the entrance fee was $10 each, or $10 a head”.

    Re 5D: I agree with you that “knock off” would have been far preferable to “knock over”. It seems to be yet another example of DA’s love of American culture, which is an aspect of his puzzles that I dislike.

    Re 14D: I agree with Rupert about the meaning of “stop” (to close a hole by plugging up). DA has used this meaning before.

  54. Am with RB and others regarding the knock over/knock off distinction. The way I see it is robbers/thieves might knock over a bottle shop and knock off the whisky. I was only able to get 5D from the cross letters.

  55. You are quite right, RB. I missed Gayle’s explanation of yesterday on 17A (each = per capita), got it now, thank you.
    I thought 14D was fine too.
    As for the pew, if a fellow told you he’d been to a church and knocked a bench over what would you be thinking?!

  56. 17A: I agree with RB/Gayle.

    5D: I agree with Gayle: the establishment is knocked over but the item is knocked off. Of course, the word being used in 5D only refers to the item (unless you’re a shoplifter in the literal sense!)

  57. 11A: I think he should have had a “say” or “for example” in there. The sun does lots of things. Not that I didn’t get it early!

  58. thanks to all above for discussions on knock off and the stopper. Like Gayle I only got 5d from the cross letters, took me quite a while to get the wordplay.
    I didn’t have a problem with 11A, I mistyped my first query about this, it should have referred to 17a.
    While I agree that stop can mean to plug, I still think it is a bit clumsy. Stopper might have been a bit better.
    Agree with RB’s comment about DA’s liking of American culture (and this includes his continued reference to American TV shows that I never watch, I hadn’t even heard of the one in 8d)

  59. 5D Surely it is not “knock over” in the unified sense, but “knock over” because “knock” is “over” the rest of the down clue.

  60. 5D: I don’t think PINCH = “knock” is any better than PINCH = “knock over”. Also, the arrangement of PEW RE in relation to PINCH is better indicated by “fixed inside” than by “over”.

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