DA Confusion for the 13/14th of May, 2011

Here’s where you sort out your confusions, of which there’s likely to be at least one or two.

103 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 13/14th of May, 2011

  1. Not finished yet (and will undoubtedly be asking to have a few explained to me), but I already have a couple of flags to raise:

    2D: Is it me, or the roll part of this not a roll, but the thing the roll is wrapped in?
    14A: Should be 32 winks!

    Nice theme. Less cryptic, we hear.

  2. Fun theme. I’d heard of all the thematic elements except 22A. Perhaps you smart people can explain to me the wordplay in the following:

    8A: 66 – 9 gives part of the answer that is points of the compass, but I don’t see how (wrong quadrant for clocks)
    5D: Leisure centre staff is another compass point. Why?

  3. 6D almost made it into the post above, but now I understand it I think it’s brilliant.

    DA keeps testing the limits of a family newspaper with 22A.

    15A had an unusual wordplay directive, that I liked.

  4. I have the last one 24A out but because it fits the theme not the clue. I look forward to seeing other’s explanations…

  5. @RobT: Sorry. I got dinged last week for being too forthcoming with the clues.

    Slightly less terse 24D: This is what you give someone when you offer them a ride. It’s also what a light-fingered person (such as a pirate) would do to something not nailed down.

    24A: Quiet as in an instruction from a librarian. Remove that and one from a word for whipping that can be done with a tongue to get the answer.

  6. 24A. I get it now. Thanks.
    24D. I got it once I had the first letter. I had considered the word but dismissed it because I stupidly assumed “pirate” meant the answer would be a noun.

    Sorry for my tersosity. I am seldom like that….generally only when there is one or two left!!!

    Some of these themesters I have never ever heard of.

  7. OK – I just got the wordplay in 8A. Good one, DA!

    Still waiting for an explanation of 5D.

  8. I now get 5D. I thought and in the clue was the source for and in the answer, but it’s not. Sorry for clogging up the thread with my glacial thought processes.

  9. Still a bit in the dark this week. Thought I’d get into the down clues to get enough letters to get the theme but got it from an across clue.

  10. Which clue? It was 12A that clued me in, then 15A that convinced me I was right.

  11. 11A and 14A was enough for me to find it. Funny how it’s “different strokes for different folks”.

  12. 14A puzzled me for a while, largely because we have a family idiom of 20 winks = a nap, so I was looking for a nap and a half. Also see my first post for another problem with this clue.

  13. Just 22A and 26A for me to complete. I can come up with an answer for 26A based on the wordplay but I’m unfamiliar with the result (and I don’t like to resort to reference material)

  14. Tough to help these without giving away the theme. Either you’ve heard of them or you haven’t (I had to look up 22A)

    22A: Right in worries.
    26A: Tight fitting neckwear.

  15. Got the theme from 26A (with trepidation, initially, as it was a homophone) but it was unmistakeable and the 20 A anagram, equally unique, confirmed it for me.

  16. Rupert 26A? I don’t get your hint.. until then I was pretty confident of my solution.

  17. Rupert, got your hint now for 26 A .. I can stop worrying and try to work on your hint for 22A which I still haven’t got.

  18. 15A is an extremely famous [theme]. Epically famous. Thou shalt not not know him.

  19. Oh my goodness! Is DA’s wordplay for the last 3 letters of 22A what I think it is? (behind mainly). I too had to think hard about your clue for 26A, Rupert, but I see your wordplay now. Thanks – confirmed my guess. Also agree that it shoud be 32 winks.

  20. Robyn, think of a shade of green. The welfare payment is the obvious one. The meaning of “Covers” is not the usual one found in a clue.

  21. 15A Peeved that I spent a lot of time on that one when I had the right answer all along – confirmed by Peta’s and Rupert’s hints above – but discounted it early on because it’s not two words.

  22. Just getting to today’s. All you smart people seem to have it covered. I’m as usual doing dismally and struggling. Can’t get 15A despite clues and I would also like hints for 8A, 14A and 4D please and that might get me started.

  23. Hi Alison
    8A – don’t think of arithmetic. The answer is the same whether it’s 666 – 9 or 66666 – 9 or 66666666 – 9. The 9 is roman. The 20 does not refer to 20A. The answer is a well-known thematic member.
    14A – I think 32 winks is more accurate (ie 4/5ths of 40 winks)

    4D -” 2-down twice” – think of “2 down once more” or “2 Down again”

  24. Thanks Peta, still confused. The only thing I can think of for 8A is a size of beer glass, is that right? Still have no idea about 14A. I thought ‘p—r n-p’ but don’t think that’s right. And I must be tired because your 4D hint is not making any sense. It’s funny how different things work for different people….any more hints appreciated though. I think I have the first word for 16D but not sure about the 2nd. 23A????? I’m struggling today.

  25. Alison if you have the last two letter of the first word you can think of a mtn range with 5 letters…

  26. Alison 23A: I reckon once you have 16D you will see a “medico” which will get you home. I had never heard of this dude…

  27. Obviously have first word wrong then. Thought it was something you read?

  28. Rupert, you responded brilliantly to being “dinged” last week! Well done this week. Wonderful cryptic elucidations. Thanks – especially your 22A and 26A!

  29. I think it not fair! Sydney gets DA on Friday, here in VIC not till Saturday. I think I’ve worked out the theme. So, would the name Martin be related to 8A?

  30. Thank you Rupert. I don’t get involved with the products of the themed items, but have a goodish memory (for an 81 yo). I looked at the alphabetical list in Wiki, but there are literally hundreds there. I’ve found ten, but nothing in that list seemed to help with 14A, where I have S—E/—. Any helpful thoughts? And a question: have I run across you before on SSSF?

  31. Like Allison, just starting (in Melb) and completely stumped on the theme. Have several down answers but only one across (24A thanks to above hint). Not one of the other hints above have actually helped me get any other answers! Much discussion about 15A leaves me completely stumped. I have 2nd and 4th letters from down clues. Can make up an answer from wordplay but no idea what it means. Even more confused by Gayle’s comment that it isn’t two words. (is it hyphenated?)
    On the other hand was pleased I’d worked out the pirate one and comments above confirm it.
    8A is another one driving me nuts. All your hints are giving me bits of it and I already have 2nd 4th and 6th letters from down clues. A couple of other letters from the 66 – 9 must be in there somewhere which leaves three other letters presumably from the “in 20” part, but that’s as far as I’ve got.

  32. I now have S_I_E/___ for 14A, Can someone please verify if 6D is illiterate?

  33. For nn: think of a five letter word for 20! Starting with S. I got 12 across first, rearranging south and adding N, gave me the clue as to what the theme was. Remember the Apollo mission? ‘We have a problem ……’

  34. Arthur you are correct on 16d, nice wordplay on this one.
    I’ve been playing around with those exact same letters in 12A for over half an hour and I still can’t make a word out of them. I have all the even letters in it too! Most frustrating. Your hint above tells me what it is, but it still doesn’t make any sense
    Now, thanks to your hint I have all the letters in 8A, but still can’t make a word out of them!
    I love DA’s themed crosswords, but so often have trouble working out what the theme is. Suspect this is a theme where I have little knowledge.

  35. For Arthur C: Your answer to 6d is correct. there’s a 4 letter fish finishing the first word of the answer to 14a.

  36. After some googling, am now on track with the theme and have 8a, which leads me to realise my 2D must be wrong. (had written it upside down I think!)
    Spent ages looking at wrong possibility for the theme as the only across I had was 24A and could only think of a miner and a NSW premier.
    As I thought a theme where my knowledge is a bit limited and unfortunately contains far too many members

  37. I found this really difficult. The eventual breakthrough was 3D, which gave a hint to the theme, followed by 15A. This was when I knew I was in for a hard time, since I have little interest and less knowledge with regard to the theme. Much googling of conjectures followed. I liked 9A and 17A. 23A wordplay pretty much pinpointed the answer which was confirmed by google.

  38. I’m with you Geoff, although I have slightly more knowledge than interest! (and my knowledge is fairly minimal). Am not sure I want to spend the weekend googling all the answers and am just about to chuck this one in the bin!

  39. Off the top of my head I can think of only about half a dozen of the theme members. One of them is probably the answer to 15A, but if so I can’t make sense of the “covers nothing in welfare payment” part of the wordplay. I earlier thought I had an answer that fitted what I thought of the wordplay (but the nothing bit didn’t make sense) but couldn’t find that in the theme (despite much googling).

  40. given up on the theme, went over to crossword club and looked up all the across answers. (hanging my head in shame!) I hadn’t heard of six of them and would never have worked them out, despite knowing all of the letters that were in the anagrams. Will try to enjoy the remaining down clues. (at least I have all the cross letters!)

  41. Got the rest out now, but feeling totally unsatisfied with my shameful effort.
    Thought 15A wordplay was clever, not that thrilled with 11A “Cheers” part, “thanks” might have been better, agree with others on 14A, should be 32.(insert dig about DA’s arts background here…). 24A not bad (even though it sent me on the wrong theme for quite a while)
    Had a bit of a laugh at 21D when I’d worked it out. Got the answer but spent a while trying to understand the wordplay. Decided the first bit meant AGS and was trying to work out where the other 3 letters came into it. Then realised I was caught on the wrong snags! Groan.

  42. Got it out pretty quickly, being familiar with all of the theme answers, but still don’t understand the wordplay for 9a: could someone please explain?

    Love 6d. 18d is quite neat, but I don’t like the indicator.

  43. JL, compilers often relate wells to springs. So here where Orson gets a guernsey. I’m still six short, most concerned about 24A, which starts with L. anmd 18D, where I have M…..U. Does that end in QUE? Help needed.

  44. Just saw 7D. What a clot! What month is Christmas?. Now five to go. Time to go and play some pool. Back around 7 pm, I expect.

  45. nn, are you right with 8A now? Peta gave a good explanation of that yesterday evening.

    I think the balance of fun might be more DA’s way this week – waking us up with a jolt after a couple of easier ones recently. It’s bad enough having a set of undefined clues, and some of the down ones weren’t so easy, but then not to have any familiarity with half of the answers .. they might have well all been in some foreign language … which isn’t far from the case anyway.

    I still maintain that 15A is not two words. .. any more than McKenzie, for example, is
    two words. But if I hadn’t been so pedantic, I would have pencilled it in a lot sooner, even without understanding the wordplay at the time. Double grrr.

  46. Thanks, Arthur and Gayle; turns out I had the wrong [theme], a Billy who also fits but has nothing to do with springs.

    24a: Synonym for whipping, minus ‘quiet one’ (3 letters). Answer is an old German one.

    18d: Sweet is the definition and queue is an indicator (although I’ve never seen it used to mean this before) referring to the preceding 3 words.

  47. Gayle I’m fine with 8a now thanks. I had entered 2D upside down, thought the up referred to the golf club rather than the first half. This completely ruined any attempt to get 8A, even after reading Petra’s earlier hints. I’m also with you on 15A not really being two words.
    I’m also with you on the balance of fun being DA’s way. I think if it is an unclued theme then he should at least use fairly well known members of the theme throughout. Too many rare ones for my liking, but then again it isn’t an area of interest for me. I’d be curious how those who have an interest in this theme found it, were they as obscure as I and others seem to think?

    Regarding using queue as an indicator, I didn’t have a problem with it as it means to put things in a line in order, which is exactly what the answer is within the clue, but I’ve not seen it used that way before.

  48. Got the theme early on. 20A was my first, with 12A to confirm. Now have all but 17A. Whoops, it’s happened again! Even as I type, it comes to me in a flash (and a groan). Now I can go and cook dinner with a sense of “closure”.

  49. I didn’t find the theme difficult, in spite of my 9a mix-up. I can see how the non-English ones seem obscure if you don’t have much knowledge of the theme, but they’re arguably the most famous ones from their respective countries (26a is mentioned elsewhere in today’s paper, where his being a [theme] is treated as assumed knowledge, and was the first answer I got in the whole crossword). Aside from them, I guess 22a is probably the most obscure, but I’d still expect most people to be familiar with his work, if not his name.

  50. @Arthur, since I don’t know what SSSR is, you probably don’t know me from there. There are more Ruperts about than you might think, and there’s even a Rupert that shares my surname buried in Ballarat. I learned this after my last trip to Melbourne, otherwise I may have been tempted to dance on “my” grave.

  51. @Gayle. I don’t feel good about googling words or asking for help here. I much prefer to wrack my brain for a few hours. To my mind, that’s like ‘phoning a friend’ and doesn’t sit well with me.
    However, when it comes to a theme where I have no freaking idea what some of the answers will be, or if I want to check spelling of a word I have just ‘invented’ then I think Google/reference book is fair enough. A case in point…Cate Blanchett (2010?) and this week’s.

  52. I guess most people have finished by now … Any hints for 22A or 22D (I seem to be the only one still struggling with these …).

  53. Feather – I am stuck with those two also! That’s all I need. Thanks everyone for the hints…

  54. @Feather /@Karen

    22D – try ‘Sack” for “lay off” and see where you go with that

    22A – There were some good hints further up the thread

    I’m stuck with 19D – I’ve got a possible word , but no idea about the wordplay at all

  55. David H, the 19D one is a word meaning innocence, the third to sixth letters imply you are examining something, and they are included in the even letters of unsafe. I am finally down to 22A, must look at that alphabetical list of themes again. I feel there is probably a clue here (further up) but thats a lot of reading.

  56. Rupert, it was SSSF, the ABC’s Self Service Science Forum. A few years ago I used sometimes to seek help from there, there were some cryptics experts there, I though I remembered a Rupert. As to Ballarat, its very cold here today (how unusual!).

  57. And, finally, completed! Marvellous weekend mental stimulation. Looked in the Alpha list, found the right one.

  58. Struggling with this one, as I am not at all knowledgable on this theme. Worked out 25A and 23A first, from wordplays, then had to google to see who/what they were! Had 2D written in upside down (duh!) which made 8A impossible, and made nonsense of4D. Have used help from hints above to sort out a few. Now just stuck with 10A and 24A. Can wait for Monday’s paper for answers, am (unusually for me) giving up.

  59. Yay… complete! A few groans and ‘oh der’s’, but got there. Thanks all for the hints.

  60. Jill 10A the whistle refers to a saying “…. as a whistle”, then drop the captain (c) from this to make a name who is apparently one of the theme (but one of the 6 I’d never heard of).
    Glad I wasn’t the only one who wrote 2D upside down! As you said it makes a right mess of everything else, but once I’d ironed out my mistake I got going again.
    24A was one I’d at least heard of, a German chap who made a very famous black and white movie back in the 1920s (I think) all about a city. Wordplay is a type of whipping (or if you ever read the famous five think of “…. of ginger beer”), then take out the quiet (as in what a librarian would say to you if (s)he wanted you to be quiet).
    24A was one of the early ones I got from the wordplay, but sent me completely down the wrong track with the theme as the first one I thought of with this name was a former premier of NSW. Spent a long time trying to get the other across clues to fit various premiers!

  61. I had a different derivation for 24A… if a race car driver or a distance runner is whipping the rest of the field, they are “….ing” them. Take out “PP I” for “quiet one”, using the musical PP for (very) quiet.

  62. Please correct me if I am wrong but I haven’t seen the wordplay for 15A explained.

    By the way it seems right to think that the surname is one word. Wikipedia explains that his family name was Dutch and was Demil.

  63. @Robin: green is a shade of green associated with citrus fruit, so greenback is that shade reversed. “covers nothing” means it replaces the ‘O’ in welfare payment, which is a four-letter word for unemployment benefits.

  64. @Robin: Someone else (Gayle?) made the point too, although I think the third letter is capitalised so perhaps he has an ‘out’ on a technicality.
    Of course, I can find a space between the two syllables on his Facebook page, so my estimation of Facebook sinks even lower.

  65. I’m not so interested in films or directors, so for the first time ever, I put it down once I got the theme. I thought there were some great down clues, though, with ” In Japan, roll up to golf club = IRON ” being close to gold, I thought.

  66. Thanks Rupert and RobT for 15A. Got it now. Realising DA is Premier League all by himself.

    Couple more: 9A, got the springs but why ‘in the air’?

    12A why the first two letters of answer?

    Mine is another vote for 32 winks in 14A

    Still working on 22A and 25A, wordplay that is, I have seen the answers.

  67. @Robin. re 12A..sorry I am not on the ball enough to remember what that is. If you can enlighten me I may be able to assist.

  68. Robin
    12 A is ‘SOUTH’ rearranged (turned) followed by N for north.
    22 A 2- down answer was iron, so FE (symbol for iron) retains power base ie R, + behind mainly, as some have hinted above, is most of a slang/vulgar word for behind > ARS
    25A fixes is MENDS, drug integral insert E (ecstasy)

  69. 22A is the chemical symbol for 2D around the last letter of power, followed by three quarters of a word for behind (anatomical).

    25A A word for fixes (in the sense of repairs) containing a single-letter drug.

  70. DA has got a few cinematic references in today’s SMH Omega crossword. Think I’m going to have to gen up on them as well as Victorian politics, sport and place names! Quite like the Omega for a bit of light relief. DA seems to be relaxed with the Omega too, often funny clues. Here’s one of his today: Heads of drug organisation open buds in each US joint.

  71. RobT – crossing posts, like the Dao bit, while I was away thinking of another way that some people find happiness.
    Rupert: Are we still meant to be cryptic? I’m usually mindful of that but I thought Monday was okay to be more revealing. Apologies anyone who’s still working on the solution.

  72. @Gayle: that’s quite funny. I generally don’t do the Omega’s even DA. Too many quicks so I don’t get much bang for my buck.

  73. RobT: Know what you mean but DA’s Omega isn’t too bad, including his quicks, and it’s one that both my husband, who doesn’t do cryptics, and I can do together. He’s more up with movies and musos too which is good.
    Was a bonus that today’s was a DA – off work with a shoulder injury and not much I can do. The broadsheet’s a bit of a challenge though if no-one’s around to rip it up for me.

  74. I missed out on it today anyway. i decided to go for a 6-month subscription and it wasn’t in my driveway by the time I left home. Turns out they stuffed up the start date so I don’t have it at all today, nor am I going to buy it on the way home…
    I pity your dicky wing, especially on a windy day.

  75. Thanks RobT. Funny that dicky knee was one of today’s answers to a pretty easy Spoonerism. Another ‘joint’ clue. How does DA know these things? A Clinton moment? (Chelsea was another answer.) I wonder about DA. How does he churn all this stuff out in so many different forums and genres? He’s truly a polymath – although some of our scientific Trippers would disagree.

  76. Thanks Gayle, Rupert & RobT.

    Boy, was my face red when I got the 180 degrees anagram in 12A!

    Thanks all for the 22A FREARS explanations. (Can I say that as it’s Monday?) Managed to sort out the 25A ‘drug integral to fixes’ myself, restoring some confidence!

    Todays SMH cryptic has been fun. Often quite easy on a Monday but today’s was more challenging. I have 3 still to do. which is a good sign.

  77. Yeay, Robin. And thanks for giving me something to look forward to do tomorroa.

  78. Can someone please explain the wordplay in 6D? I understand the ‘iterate’ part but not the first bit. Thanks.

  79. Trivia corner
    De Mille or DeMille?
    The ABC ran a documentary on Sunday “Ayn Rand: In her own words”.
    One scene showed Cecil next to his own giant camera.
    On this was, in large letters, “C.B. De Mille”
    At least the guy who labelled that camera thought it was two words!

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