DA for the 24th of July, 2020

Report about the DA here. Hopefully the right one gets printed this week!

2 thoughts on “DA for the 24th of July, 2020

  1. OK, 16 Down which has caused a lot of comment today in DA Confusion…

    My answer is Aegean Sea (Surely DA wouldn’t mix up Aegean with Augean). The whole clue is the definition as the Aegean Sea is popularly described as eternal and is a sight winning Grecian hearts.

    The wordplay is where differences have appeared. I got the answer well before I got the wordplay and I’m still not completely happy with the wordplay. I get the “hearts” of “sight winning Grecian”, i.e. g,n,c which when vocalised give the last 3 syllables “geansea”. The problem is with the first syllable.

    The pronunciation of “ae” is fraught with difficulties (just do some googling). If “eternal” is one of the ‘hearts’ then ‘r’ would be the first syllable, which would lead to Argean Sea which is a pronunciation I’ve never come across. My other thought was that eternal could be “ay” (as someone from the north of England that means always or forever, i.e. ‘eternal) but that pronunciation is still incorrect (maybe). Chambers lists the pronunciation of words like aegis, aeon(eon), aether(ether) as having a long ‘e’ as in keen, feel etc. There are exceptions of course (it being English), for example ‘aeroplane’ but there seems to be a difference when ‘ae’ precedes ‘r’.

    I’m not completely satisfied with the wordplay and would like to know where to get an ‘ee’ from.

    All comments welcome except abuse, trolling and incomprehensible. ;)

  2. Hi Tim C

    Nine times out of ten (and probably rather more frequently than that) people say “the Aegean Sea”. Once the definite article appears it affects the pronunciation of the next word. Then I think most people would pronounce the first ‘ae’ in “the Aegean Sea” in exactly the same way they would the “er” in eternal.

    It so happens that in this crossword there is no definite article and without it the pronunciation of the first syllable is much more likely to be “ee”.

    Hence the confusion.

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