DA Confusion for the 14th of June, 2019

Have your confusions sorted out for this week’s DA.

33 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 14th of June, 2019

  1. Typical DA today, maybe a lttle easier than last week.
    FOIs 1a, 3d, 21a. LOI 16d
    All understood, except 19a, have answer (I think).
    Good solving.

  2. AndyW – ditto your comments.
    For 19A I read as “you are in a ……” – so are synonyms of other and trouble

  3. FOI 1A, LOI 5D. Around average time for me. Good starters included 10/23A, 1A, 1D, 2D, 18D.

    A mini-theme perhaps with 18D, 13A, and 20D? Or am I being 24A? 12D 12D if so!

  4. V grumpy about 20D. I think I have the answer (a new word for me) but I can’t confirm it because I don;t think that it “deteriorates” or sounds as if it does.

    19A is, contrary to the version in The Age (7,2) not (9,2) and, pace Ray,, I think the first word is an anagram – but not of letters in the clue?

    Enjoyed my first one in: 11A

  5. 19A is not an anagram AFAICS … IMO ‘Pickles’ (as in difficulties) clues the first word of answer, ‘times’ (in the mathematical sense) the second word. And yes, it’s 7,2 not 9,2 ; I didn’t even notice that!

    20D I have to admit I don’t see where deteriorate fits in either.

  6. FOI 26A. LOI 10A/12A (still not happy about ‘operator). Favourite 8D which made me smile (with the reference to 20D).

    Mike, deteriorates isn’t the definition for 20D. “Repeatedly said to” is part of the wordplay and refers to the ‘yews’.

    19A isn’t an anagram. It’s a double definition where pickles gives 1-7 and times gives 8,9.

  7. Tim C is unhappy about ‘operator’. So am I, and if I read 1A correctly it is another example of the same thing, using a word to signify a letter when the relationship only exists where said letter stands for said word in some relatively obscure set of initials. DA is not the only compiler to use this trick, which seems to me too clever by half. Two in one crossword is two too many.

    I’m also unhappy about 20D. It appears to be a second-order anagram (one where some or all letters don’t actually appear on the page), which I regard as not correct form.

    Anyway, back to it. I’m struggling today, still only half done.

  8. While I’m enjoying being back in Aus and being able to do the crosswords in the actual paper, I fear that a deterioration of my knowledge of Qld geography may be hampering me here. That said, I’ve found it relatively tough going all around. I have it mostly out, but I’m still stuck on a few wordplays, especially 9A and 17D.

    @AG, while I agree that ‘operator’ in 10,23A is questionable, the use of ‘uniform’ in 1A is referring to a well-established system and so I don’t really see a problem there. Perhaps if the operator in question had been named Oscar, then I’d have no cause to quibble at all.

  9. After hours (literally) for answers, found three, of which one is suspect! Might have to look up one or two to get started. My ancient brain not working today.

  10. > I’m also unhappy about 20D. It appears to be a second-order anagram (one where some or all letters don’t actually appear on the page), which I regard as not correct form.

    Letters 1 and 4 appear on the page. Letters 2,3,5,6 are clued in a fairly blatant way, I got them first in fact!

    ArthurC: Let us know what you’ve got, we’ll see what we can throw your way from there.

  11. Luke

    9a: shift is an Anagrind for operator which gives letters 2-9
    Dresser gives letters 1,10-15

    17d. First word is def. Pole gives letters 1-5, I don’t know how moor – clear? Gives 6-8

  12. Luke, thanks for pointing out the ‘uniform’ connection, which is obviously fine. Facepalm. For some reason I have a blind spot regarding that system – it’s not the first time I’ve missed an example.

  13. Hard work today. Just returned from a month abroad, so perhaps I’m out of condition. Then again, I did do a Guardian cryptic most days …

    After a couple of hours still only half finished.

  14. Yes, AG and Luke, uniform is u in the International Radiotelephony Spelling Alphabet, used by pilots everywhere. It’s worth learning as it turns up in a lot of crossword Charlie Lima Uniform Echo Sierra(s).

    The clue for 10A/23A would still have been OK if Oscar had been used rather than Operator.

  15. Didn’t like this one much – took me a very long time and some of the clues were tediously convoluted, 20d being the worst. I agree with you Tim C – in fact Oscar would have made a much better surface to the clue. I don’t like ‘invasions’ in 5d – you can’t ‘invade forth’.

  16. Yes Mary, it took me ages to get started, hence my FOI of 26A after going through most of the clues. I hadn’t questioned 5D but I see what you mean. The word you refer to is more a defensive outrush rather than an invasion.

  17. The plural for the 1A solution should really end in -a, though I dare say the alternative is also allowed.

  18. I gave up on this one, and having looked at the answers, I’m glad I did. Would someone explain the wordplay for 23D please?

  19. If anyone is still around… I have 18A but don’t understand how the letters 1-3 are arrived at.

  20. Carol ‘picked up’ is a homonym indicator for a word which has the same meaning as spy.

    GeoffD: lead on vicious gives 1,
    for 2-5 dog gives a four letter word with the I ‘raised’ as moved up one spot

  21. Finally all out – but with much assistance from here and word finders. Much the hardest of recent times – for me, anyway.

  22. Excuse this very late posting. Finished at 11pm Sat but still puzzled by word play for 10/23A.
    I got the answer from definition and fifth vodka, but TimC and Mary have me stumped with reference to Oscar. Do you mean letter “O” or a surname associated with given name “Oscar” ?

  23. IanS it’s the letter ‘O’. Gets inserted into “a bar” part of the wordplay

  24. Quite a difficult one, had many of the same criticisms, especially regarding invasion but the laugh I got from 8D/20D made it worth it!

    A bit of an odd tangent but I was originally heading down a linguistics rabbit hole on the 10A/23A one (assuming that operator was the def. and the the 23A cross-letters spelled out a certain type of word) and although it ended up being a red herring, I did find this little nugget on Wikipedia that made me wonder if it was just an extreme case of coincidence or if there is an extra layer of word-nerdery at play here:

    “In generative grammar, the technical term operator denotes a type of expression that enters into an a-bar movement dependency.” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operator_(linguistics))

    After reading that and the first line of the clue, I found it amazing that there was no connection in the eventual answer!

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