DA Confusion for the 12th of April, 2019

Have your confusions sorted out for this week’s DA right here.

Me, I’m back in Athens.

61 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 12th of April, 2019

  1. All out, all understood. Didn’t think there was anything particularly tricky today, although I hadn’t heard of 12D (my LOI). Quite a few fun clues though, and I particularly enjoyed the pop-culture references in 6 & 27A. I do have one quibble though, namely that 17A should surely be female rather than male (to be fair, I was one myself once, but that was quite some time ago!)

  2. Hi all,
    All done and understood, FOI 14d, followed by 23d and 28a, LOI 15a.
    Bottom half finished quickly, mis-read 25a as filling not filing (maybe time for new glasses!).
    Overall a good but not too difficult puzzle.

  3. All done. FOI 10a and LOI 12d. I quite liked 19a. Had most of it done by 1am but there are always stragglers. I find sleeping on it helps a lot. I tend to agree on 17a, unless I’ve missed something in the clue.

  4. All done in about standard time. Took a little while to ‘get’ 27A and 2D. FOI 10A then 11A, 22A, 7D, 3D. LOI 27A.

  5. I agree, 17a is more often female. If male, it’s usually a different 12-letter word, cryptically one who can recite numbers from one to ten!

  6. 1940, Grade V, our teacher Bill Fulton gave us three names associated with 1492, which I still remember, so 23D easy (and my only answer so far). Ta Bill!

  7. Nothing too outrageous today! In 9a, is “famed” a homophone indicator? That’s a new one for me.

    My first one in today 24d. Last one in 9a — I’d have been quicker if the clue had mentioned Manuel! No stand-out favourites today — perhaps I’m just not in the right frame of mind …

  8. GeoffM: 9A: No, ‘famed neurologist’ is the def, wrote many books some of which were made into films. Spelt exactly the same as the answer meaning ‘dismisses’.

    ArthurC: other fairly easy ones include 5D (container clue), 14D (anagram), 7D (anagram). Good luck!

  9. Thanks, AndrewT. Wikipedia led me to an American neurologist, spelt Manuel’s way, but yes, now I come to think of it, the British one is the better-known!

  10. Started late finished later, but all out and understood now. Very much enjoyed 1a & 19a. Almost as good as the chai here.

  11. Hello Trippers, it’s good to be back. Out of practice after a long spell, but managed most. Help with SW corner would be appreciated, especially 12D, 18D and 27A. Also, I am sure I have the right answer for 19A, but can’t work out word play.

  12. Love to sample your chai, TDAC, but I’m in 2008 and you’re in 3068 so fat chance!

    All out, but could someone please enlighten me about how “over contracts” or “contracts” gives last four letters of 25A?

    FOO (first one out) 26A of course.
    LOO (last one out) 18D ’cause I spent so much time trying to wordplay JESSICA (Chastain) into the space.

    I prefer FOO & LOO to FOI & LOI, btw.

    Faves: 19A & 28A, and 21D (great misdirection).

  13. Assuming I have the correct answer, the anagram letters in 11A seem to be slightly wrong.

  14. Dave R, I quite enjoyed 19A. The no-frills WAGS give you letters 8&9, and if you look at what letters you’re left with in your answer the parsing should become apparent.

    Ally W, I think you’ve fallen into the same trap that I did initially. “rent” isn’t part of the anagrist; instead, you’re after a 4-letter synonym (which, slightly confusingly, only differs by 1 letter)

  15. Okay, thanks Luke! I fell into that trap too, except I wrote the answer in and checked later. Ignore my previous comment re 11A everyone.

  16. Dave R:

    12D: def is last word of clue. ‘chew the fat’ gives letters 1-3. Letters 4-10 are a fish with its head removed to the end.

    18D: def is first three words of clue. ‘nonsense’ clues letters 1-4, ‘in first’ letter 5, ‘poor’ clipped letters 6,7.

    27A: def is first two words of clue (from a media source DA has used many times before!). ‘crack’ clues letters 1-4, ‘puzzle finally’ letter 5.

    Celia: 25A: I too haven’t parsed the clue for letters 6-10. I suspect it’s a 5 letter word for ‘over’ contracted by one letter, but nothing makes sense so far.

  17. Dave R, it’s an example of one of DA’s favourite tricks. You’re right, but think about where the WAGS letters are…

  18. Andrew T – I think the word is “along” but happy to be corrected.

    There are a couple of second referal synonyms like “via” and “by”.

  19. Haha glad to see the penny dropped faster than I could type! I don’t mind that sort of trickery, but it can be maddening before you spot it!

    Now that it’s been mentioned, I had overlooked the end of 25a too. I agree with AndrewT, and it does have a ? at the end so I’m guessing that it’s a stretchy sort of definition for “over”, but even then I’m struggling to see it.

    Incidentally, Celia, I’ve noticed that in speech I refer almost exclusively to getting clues “out”, yet oddly seem inclined towards F/LOI in writing. Perhaps I’m just too prudish to contemplate a message board filled with LOOs…

  20. AndrewT, in 25A add a “g” as the letter contraction, closest thing I can find that works, vaguely synonymous in certain context.

  21. FOI 4D. LOI 18D. I enjoyed9A and 21D for the misdirection. The result is that I’m 14D.

  22. I think it would be quite fun to have “FOOs” and “LOOs”.

    Everytime I see FOI I think Freedom of Information. Which also might be appropriate in the context here.

  23. Persisted, down to three in SW corner, 18D, 21D, 27A. Enough for today, i think. Quite a struggle for this nearnonagenarian.

  24. Alternatively, FODs and LODs (done)? I try to avoid acronymification — I frequent a photography forum where many people do it too much, with the result that much of what they contribute is unintelligible to the average punter.

  25. I totally agree that 17 across is misleading. I am surprised and not happy that DA has been so apparently sexist.

  26. Thanks, Andrew T. I now have 12D, but the others evade me still. I’m not familiar with too many “big screen names” nor with that other media source. I might have to google.

  27. Thanks, Andrew T. I now have 12D, but the others evade me still. As I’m not familiar with too many “big screen names” nor with that other media source, I might have to google.

  28. Dave, if you’re racking your brains trying to think of a fiom star, you’re barking up the wrong tree.

  29. Thanks, Geoff M. Once I’d guessed/googled 27A (of whom I’d never heard) I realised I’d been clipping the wrong word for the last two letters of 18D.

  30. Has anybody else spotted the connection between Cryptic and Quick this week? They both have mini-themes which are opposites of one another.
    Re 17a, the female equivalent voice is described by a 9-letter word ending in the same 4 letters. Historically, in church music 17a’s were always male. (It’s like the difference between trebles, who are boys, and sopranos, who are female.)

  31. Jan, the female voices in that register have alternative designations (c… and m…). Graham Pushee (e.g.) or the late Alfred Deller (e.g.) are males who could perhaps be termed such, though! (I will not be further drawn into argument on this topic!)

  32. Mary, I always thought that that 9-letter word is just the full version of 17a, which is a common abbreviation. Choral music will often have staves labelled SATB. In all-male choirs, boys and perhaps a few men will sing 17a. But perhaps when they do, they’d be more likely to be called trebles and countertenors (as I alluded, above).

  33. Jan,
    I agree between this and the digs at “progressives” last week I’m waiting for the one that is made up of Liberal party politicians. However, he might want to get in before the election to ensure he has enough for the grid. :)

  34. My solution to 16D means “reviewed,” but I’ve not seen it used to mean “was a success.”

  35. Jack, re 16D, think of the reception to someone’s speech: “your speech 16D well”.

  36. Thanks Celia, but to be a success it has to have 16D well, as suggested by Geoff M. It can have 16D, but not have been successful.

  37. 16D clue ends with a question mark, so that’s like asking if it was a success, don’t you think?

  38. In your own words, Celia, I will not be further drawn into argument on this topic!

    I did learn a new word today, i.e. the answer to 2D.

  39. Hi all. So, for 16D, I was thinking of a pole vaulter for example.
    I’m missing 15A, and don’t understand wordplay for 13, letters 5-10

  40. 15A: def is first word of clue., “under the blankets” does double duty ifor letters 1,2,4 and where to put ‘”man’s bottom” – letter 3

    13A: ‘struggled’ clues letters 5,6,9,10. They ‘keep’ “A Tango”, cluing letters 7,8.

  41. Geoff M, the difference between male altos and counter-tenors is quite technical, depending on whether the voice production is ‘head voice’ or falsetto. The SATB markings on choral music often assume a mixed choir, but with early or church music there’s no real reason why the top two voices must be female – when singing in more than four parts in a mixed choir, I’ve occasionally found myself singing a tenor line while my husband sang an alto one!

  42. I don’t want to jump too far into the 16d morass, but Thesaurus.com has “went over” as a verb of “succeed” without the “well”. Just sayin’.

  43. “… the difference between male altos and counter-tenors is quite technical, depending on whether the voice production is ‘head voice’ or falsetto.”

    Absolutely correct. Getting back to the thrust of 17a though, in my experience you’re far more likely — in adult choirs at least — to come across a female alto than a male alto. Of all the adult choirs I’ve directed over forty years I don’t think I’ve ever encountered a male alto. Plenty of female tenors though. Of course, in children’s choirs there are plenty of male altos and sopranos — or trebles, if you prefer. (One interesting discussion I’ve engaged in a few times was whether voices have fallen in pitch over the ages. Basses and altos are usually easier to find than sopranos and especially male tenors.)

    I still believe on balance that DA’s 17a clue should really have said female, not male. Or remained gender-neutral. Not worth losing sleep over, though.

    (Thought for the day: to sing in a falsetto voice, do you need a false set o’ teeth?)

  44. I don’t know if you’re still around, Geoff M. I agree it’s not worth losing sleep over. We clearly have different backgrounds – I’ve encountered plenty of adult male altos! My singing was done in England, though, where most cathedral choirs have male altos, and there are more choirs specialising in early music.

  45. Coming late again to this, having enjoyed a very lively discussion! I fluffed 16D with an alternative that fit (BEST EVER), which seemed to capture a success and a review. I can see the point about the lack of an adverb in WENT OVER, but I think it’s fair enough, and is nicely cryptic. Having got all the rest, I can sometimes stumble on the easier ones for sheer failure to check all my answers properly. I think DA is sometimes lurking with a trap in the shadow of my relief at having cracked the harder clues!

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