72 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 4th of September, 2015

  1. All out. 4D last in. Just 12 D wordplay to get. Liked 3D, 6A, 25/18, 24A. 16D.
    Thought 17A might be Q & A, but not extreme enough :)

  2. Oh, of course. Thanks Ray. Was looking at the wrong fodder and looking for the usual “C”. Good discovery, that anagram.

  3. Me too, 4 down last out. Loved self-referential anagram of 22 across. NE corner hardest until I remembered what an Aussie conscript was called! Happy solving!

  4. Still very weak after almost four weeks of a viral infection. Seeing doctor again this morning. Not much progress as yet, only three, though hint above (Ray) may lead to a fourth.

  5. Thanks for that, Celia Fate. I was a bit worried wog might do that! Have eleven so far,most in bottom half. Continuing both struggles.

  6. Bottom half now complete, just thirteen to go. Time for lunch and after-dinner nap.

  7. I’d never heard the contraction in 21 down before, but presume it’s in the same family as [neighbour]hood and [we]blog!

  8. From what I’ve got so far, seems like there are lots of anagrams going on today!

  9. 14a first word (5 letters) is an accessory you wear next 2 words are an anagram and the answer is the first 2 words of the clue

  10. SezClom – 11A:
    11A – Defn = “Developments expected to make”. “accessory” gives a 5 letter word for letters 1,2,3,4,5. “grotesque” = anagrind. Fodder = “pastiches”, for letters 6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13.

  11. Sezclom, a common expression. If I told you that pastiches was the anagrist & grotesque the anagrind for words 2 & 3, would that help? Defn is first two words and the first word of the answer is an accessory. I’ve told you too much, if you need more you’ll have to 11 across …

  12. Down to last seven, thanks to some lucky guesses. NE corner only to do. I liked 14A, a word I’ve possibly seen twice in my lifetime.

  13. Now five, and my Wordfinder suddenly dies! Shouldn’t resort to such aids, I suppose. Liked the Danish bread in 15A, but shouldn’t it have been just five letters? I’m probably misunderstanding the clue.

  14. And finished. Some good clues today, I thought. More next Friday. Cheers.

  15. Dom:
    23D – “Kind” gives a 6 letter word, with letters 5,6 removed (“to discard an”) for letters 1,2,3,4. Defn = “explorer”.
    24A – Defn = “Speed merchant”. “released” = anagrind. Fodder = “on bail” for letters 3,4,5,6,7,8. “must drop head” gives letters 1,2,9. “getting round” = positioner / container.

  16. Crossmesa – 4D:
    4D – Defn = “Bone”. “tender” gives a 5 letter word, with last letter removed (“fairly”) for letters 1,2,3,8. “about” = positioner / container. “splinter” gives a 4 letter word for letters 4,5,6,7.

  17. I think I have it all. Don’t get 7D or 21D. Can someone break them down for me?

  18. Norm:
    7D – Defn = “A little”. “fool” gives a 3 letter word for letters 5,6,7. “stalks” = positioner. “thus” gives a 2 letter word for letters 1,2. “in court” gives a 2 letter word for letters 3,4.
    21D – “Quiet” gives letters 1,2. “hotel offering” gives a 4 letter word for letters 3,4,5,6. Defn = “hallucinogen”. (NOTE: answer is apparently a real word per my Dictionary).

  19. Could someone please explain 7d. Have the answer for a little. Ta very much.

  20. Ray, thanks. Was stuck on thinking “kind” as in type, sort etc. Getting 23d made 24a simple.

  21. Norm | September 4, 2015 at 2:15 pm | – “plural form” – I don’t get it?

  22. It’s always a surprise to see what others found hard. I got many really early on but have become stuck in the SE corner. I need the 4-letter word for 13D and hints with 16D would be helpful, please.

    Hope you find some relief soon Arthur. Lovely to see Mort and Ray again, hope you’re both well.

  23. Crypticrochet | September 4, 2015 at 3:35 pm |
    13D – “Thrash” = anagrind. Fodder = “albums” for letters 4,5,6,7,8,9. “occupy” = positioner / container. “sucker” gives a 4 letter word for letters 1,2,3,10. Defn = “I guess”.
    16D – Defn = “Denial”. “overturned” = reverse indicator. “subsequently” gives a 5 letter word for letters 8,7,6,2,1. “yet” gives a 3 letter word for letters 3,4,5. “entertained” = = positioner / container.

  24. Could someone please parse 5D? Thanks.

    I have heard of the answer to 14A, but I’ve never seen it used in a sentence.

    I hope 4D was put as a tribute to Richie Benaud and his jackets.

  25. Jack | September 4, 2015 at 3:55 pm |
    My take – 5D – Double defn. Defn 1 “Dip’s”. Defn 2 “a sensation”.

  26. Crypticrochet | September 4, 2015 at 4:01 pm |
    16D is a “real butt”*.

  27. Thanks Ray. I thought that, although the first definition doesn’t quite cut the mustard in my humble opinion.. Every other entry in the puzzle makes perfect sense.

  28. I tend to agree with you Jack. 1st defn seems weak to me as well.
    But you know DA’s penchant for cryptic brevity – which is good I think.

  29. Welcome back Gayle, Mort and Ray. After a late start I’ve almost finished. Stuck on NE corner so would welcome any hints for 10A. Hope your health improves soon, Arthur.

  30. Having never heard of 21D, and not finding it in the dictionary, didn’t help.

  31. Dave R: a double definition here, where ‘kitty’ doesn’t have 4 legs.

  32. Dave R: – 10A – bit tricky. For “kitty-scooper” think cards (not poop scoop!):
    10A – Double defn. Defn 1 = “Packed”. Defn 2 = “a kitty-scooper, most likely”.

  33. As indicated by Dave R, the best thing about today is the return of Gayle, Ray and Mort.

    Dave R, 10A is a poker player’s delight.

  34. Yes Gayle is back too! Folks not knowing 21D need to play more video games. I am finished Huzzah! I was stuck for a long time because I thought 4D’s second word was SHOOT. 6A was a new word for me but I got it from wordplay so I was psyched. Have a nice weekend everyone.

  35. Thanks Ann, Ray and Jack. Another “of course!” moment. Trouble is, it gives me a problem with 6D. I know I’m right about 6A as I narrowly avoided having to refuse to be one. But I can see no connection with traditional Japanese theatre in 6D, nor any other word that fits.

  36. Dave R – yep IMHO 6D was the trickiest – no vowels:
    6D – Defn = “Final”. “cryptic” = anagrind. Fodder = “hint” with second letter removed (“I scratched”) for letters 1,2,3.

  37. Earlier today I posted a link to an alphabetical word list for today’s cryptic: it’s in the DA Reports section, should anyone wish to check their answers.

  38. Thanks Ray. To my mind, that word does not mean “final” but just a long way along an infinite continuum. But then, if one is playing poker, the quality of the hand does not guarantee scooping the kitty, either. I guess we should take into account DA’s flexible attitude to semantics in the same spirit as we accept his sometimes eccentric approach to pronunciation, as evidenced by some of his alleged homophones.

  39. Thanks Ray – neat analysis. I’ve been doing DA for years – and although I mostly get it out, truly frustrating when I can’t justify the answer from the clue.
    Glad I found this forum, thanks everyone

  40. Dave R – I can agree on both counts.
    Having said that, for 10A, DA does qualify with “most likely” which in my view is part of Defn 2.
    And for 6D, it does work when you think in terms of the axiom “xxx degree”.

  41. Crossmesa – completely agree. For any Cryptic Crossword, to me, getting the answer is not the goal – it is decoding and understanding the wordplay.

  42. Me > olive branch > Celia.

    And from all the others who complained about her aggression. Jeremiah 13:23: maybe it’s possible …

  43. Arrived home late evening after a day of looking after my 3-year-old grandson. A bit like wrestling with DA for a day: invigorating, occasionally perplexing but a whole heap of fun.

    Settled with a glass of red, I took a few short-cuts by reading all the hints above. Thanks all. Thanks to Ray for the elusive 6D, and to the ever-helpful Celia for her list, which allowed me to verify that I had completed the puzzle correctly but without, yet, understanding all the wordplay.

  44. 16D yet = 3,4,5 and a word for subsequently reversed for 8,7,6,2,1 :)

    still can’t get 19A

  45. Glenn
    19A. ‘Ride’ loses ‘papers’ for letters 1,2. Most of a day of the week letters 3,6,7,8. ‘Stifling’ container indicator of ‘in’ for letters 4,5. Definition ‘trains’.

  46. 19a ride without papers =minus id + a shortened day name including “in”. Def = trains

  47. My partner and I managed to get it all out yesterday after literally hours of concentration but had no idea what 6DN meant or the word play for 10A. Came here this morning to ask and found Ray’s excellent explanations – thank you! Now we can enjoy the weekend!

  48. Having 2d and 4d wrong I was looking for a foreign word for 14a meaning starters like insalata or sumfink.
    I think the clever self reference of 22a was the best this week.
    Thanks as always.

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