DA Confusion for the 28th of November, 2014

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96 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 28th of November, 2014

  1. All out and all understood. First in 4D – last in 16A.
    Took a long time to get 3D/6D. And on this, for people like me with poorer eyesight, it is:
    “Bails with all but bails” and not “Balls with or but balls”.
    Thought 12A was the best. And 21A pretty good.

  2. 16A was my first in, but it was wrong. I had a much more DA-ish answer than DA did! I have the shape of 3D/6D but not the first word, yet.

    Still a fair few others to go come coffee time, too.

  3. Hee hee. DA’s schoolboy humour again I thought. No. 18A is a real word! Never heard of it.

  4. On a roll when I corrected 1A.
    A few funny ones this week, 8D being one of them. Great word. Never heard of it either.

  5. All out. I have a comment awaiting moderation but no idea why.
    28 A and 24D were my last in, but were dead easy as it turned out.
    Liked 8D , 14D

  6. Already, an enigma. I was absolutely certain my 6, 15, 19A were correct, yet when I feed these three last letters into my Wordfinder, to try and find 8D, it insists ‘no words found’? Is there
    something unusual about 8D?

  7. Yes Arthur. I’d never heard of it either. I think you’d call it a portmanteau. Made up of two words and a kind of partial homophone. 1-3, and 4-9.
    Wordplay. Def is first 2 words. Next 3 words clues letters 1-5. The last 4 letters are clued by ‘set down’ although I have a quibble with that and only got the last letter correct when I got 19A.

  8. You’re right Ian. Only just noticed. Can’t think of another second word that would fit.

  9. Took a wild guess at 3D, 6D. But it fits with all my acrosses on RHS, plus 9, 14, 21A. But can’t quite relate it to the actual clue! Sad!.
    Gayle (6.49) thanks for your effort, I haven’t been able to analyse it yet. Have completed SE corner, scattered elsewhere. 22A seems, to say the least, odd! So perhaps my answer is wrong?

  10. 3D/6D: DA’s version sounds more like theft than petulance, which is the usual formulation of the phrase.

    I am three short. Gentle hints on 21A, 18D and 26A would be appreciated. Also an explanation of letters 1, 5, 6, 7 in 10A.

  11. Rupert – for 10A – For Director think movies – one who has a long, prolific career – gives 2,3,4,5 and 7. Grand and nothing supplies the rest

  12. re: 8D. The word has an entry in Urban dictionary and wikipedia has it with -ing suffix. The “set down” part is last 4 letters. Past tense description of wine in a cellar?

  13. Rupert – 21A – defn = “OS”. Construct 1-1-4. Think more of a British description.
    18D – obscure. I got from wordplay then looked up. Type of “interval training”.
    26A – defn first word. “feeling” = synonym for letters 1,5,6,7. “rifle” = synonym for letters 2,3,4.

  14. I had everything except 8D, and like Arthur, could find nothing that fitted with the letters I had. Now, thanks to RT, I’ll try the Urban dictionary to see whether what the hints above have given me is the answer. I agree with Ray about the ‘bails’ or ‘balls’!

  15. 18D: never heard of it, but thanks to Gayle’s hint about schoolboy humour, my first guess turned out to be right.
    21A: Ah, that sort of OS. As an overweight computer programmer, I tend to think of two other definitions first. And my Dad had a complete set of Ordnance Survey maps.

  16. Wow, two new words for me today, forcing me to the dreaded internet to confirm 18D and 8D.

    Isn’t 3D/6D rather badly worded? If the second word had been different, the verbs would have been okay but, as it is, it’s a bit clumsy.

  17. Don’t understand wordplay for 1 down nor for 21 across; any help please? What are the definitions?

  18. Stumped, 1D definition is “give”.
    21A definition is OS and “an alternative route” – more used in England than here.

  19. Crypticrochet
    The very first entry, from Ray at 5:01 a.m., registered exactly the same complaint!

  20. Break for shopping, prepare and serve lunch, now time either to do some ironing or have much needed after-dinner nap. The old man is very weary. Have all but seven, all on LHS, but may just leave those. I did eventually work out, from the clue, 8D. Must Google it sometime. Bye for now.

  21. Mort I need a letter by letter wordplay map for 1d & 21 a.
    Penny just dropped on 1 d – disadvantage – so OK there!

    Still flummoxed by 21 across wordplay to the point that I’m almost sure I have the right answer but can’t parse the clue to agree with that.

  22. Looks like consecutive fails. Last weeks’s circus problem and this week’s long answer grammar issue.
    I liked 14dn and 22ac.

  23. All done. Thanks to RAY at 8.45 . Gave me a great start. Liked 14d, 6a and 22a(although I had the two parts in wrong order which slowed progress) Meaning of 8d is a delight will try to use next time it occurs. STUMPED 21a, say the first 2 letters and then you’ll see a double def.

  24. 21A: Double definition. First definition is the first three words, and should be formatted 1,1-4. It’s an English term. Second definition is the last word.

  25. I’m having a dreadful time and may have to wait until Sunday to give this a clear head (Girl Guides event tomorrow so I’m away all day). I have 18D and 22A and I think most of the 3,6D (missing first two words) but everything else is not clicking for me at all. I was hoping it would be easier so I could get it all done today, but my head isn’t cooperating.

  26. Like others above, I see a couple of DA bloopers today.

    3/6D just doesn’t get it right in its first two words.

    I also see and agree with Gayle’s quibble about the end of 8D. The last four letters are associated with one of a pair of verbs, the conjugation of which often causes confusion in several different ways. This one is intransitive, so “set down” is inappropriate. It’s a distinction I’m sure DA is aware of but just didn’t think though.

  27. Rupert and megsy thanks re 21 across but i still don’t get it.
    I have what i think is the answer it’s up in the sky. It harmonises with “route OS”.
    If its a dd where is the split? Otherwise which parts of the clue gives which letters? I can’t see a double definition! I can see the last 4 letters of the answer as a land based form of transport. I can see the first two letters as a highway route. But i can’t put all that together to get my answer!?????

  28. Stumped, in England they classify roads according to importance. A-roads are main arterials (apart from motorways) and smaller country lanes are classed as C-roads. I cannot say much more without giving the answer. The answer is both an alternative route, and a meaning of OS.

  29. Ground to a halt this week, after doing well in recent weeks. Have a few on the RH side, but despite reading all the above I am none the wiser. I think I’ll go back to the garden.

  30. Thought I had done well, but now realise I had 21A incorrect. Thanks for your persistance, Stumped! I then found two other mistakes so not such a good day after all.
    Mind you 3/6D makes somewhat more sense now that, in the sunlight, I can read ‘bails’ as the first word. I was convinced, earlier, that it was ‘balls’.

  31. D’oh!!! Thanks Mort, Ray and Gayle! Had a totally wrong answer except for the cross letters, so no wonder I couldn’t harmonise clue and answer. Now obvious and don’t understand why it didn’t hit me right away!

  32. Finally, hours after i wrote in the answer, I note that there are bail;s and balls in 3d, 6D. finally, the clue makes sense! So tired this arvo only played three games of pool. Still nine or ten short, would like a help with 11A, 17A, 25A , 27A. Or is that being too greedy? But any help would be appreciated. There may be hints for some of those already up there ^, I haven’t read right through.

  33. Well! Just discovered a word I’ve never seen before, in 18D! Now down to just three or four.

  34. Aha! I had wrong second word (both) in 3D. Much better now. So help with 11A might see me home, though my 22A answer is really odd.

  35. Arthur,

    11 ac is anagram: 1st word gives 1st letter, balance is “adjusted poorest” & definition is fourth word.

    22 ac 1st word definition by example, anagrist words 2 & 3, anagrind word 4. Answer is a specific type of tradesman.

  36. Arthur – in case you still need:
    17A – defn = fire. “in” gives letters 1,2. “mainly greenery” = synonym letters 3,4,5,6. “circle” = last letter.
    25A – defn = 1st word. And the rest comes from 10 and 14A if you think cryptic container.
    27A – slang for “reneged”. And the rest just means old term for stabbed at.

  37. Got a bit further with help from above. Can’t figure out the second word of 3d, not even sure about the first word of it, but pretty sure I have the rest of it correct.
    Nobody has mentioned 13d, I can’t find tympanus in a dictionary, closest I can get is tympanum, are they related? If so might give me the first word and the first four letters of the second one, but can’t see what the last three letters would be and can’t make sense of the wordplay.

  38. Think I have 8d but don’t get how the last 4 letters are clued by set down.
    But I could have it completely wrong!

  39. keep at it nn.After a very slow start this morning,I went out to do some work and I`ve now galloped through the rest.

  40. At the moment I just have too many guesses, which if correct, leave me totally confused as to the wordplay.

  41. nn, the last four letters of 8D are rather controversial (see above) and would normally be spelled with a D instead on the last letter in the answer.

    Re 13D I think that DA has made an error with typmanus; I think it should be typmanum as I can’t find it with an S anywhere in my dictionaries, including a medical one.

  42. Thanks Mort
    Tympanum makes more sense, although early might be more accurate than premature.
    I don’t think I have the correct ending of 8d in that case. Pretty sure I have the right first 5 letters (assuming I have the correct answer for 12a, which is something that is sitting on my knee at the moment). The first 5 letters make sense in terms of the wordplay, chart = letters 1,2, 5 with two opposing poles for letters 3 and 4. I have 19a so also have letter 7, but am lost from then on. Am guessing the word will be amusing to our female solvers, but can only find one word in urban dictionary that fits this and, although it sort of fits the definition, it doesn’t explain the “sets down” bit and doesn’t fit with your comment about it normally ending in a D.
    Lots of gaps still and quite a few wordplays leaving me stumped.

  43. Am about ready to chuck this one and have dinner.
    No idea on 14a, 19a, 25a, 28a, 8d, 14d, 20d and 24d.

  44. nn, 14A definition is “scrub”. A word for green (naïve) shortened gives 1-4. “If leaf closes” gives lat two.
    19A definition is “walked on”; “tour ends” gives 1-2. Balance of answer is a word for “marshy” missing sierra.
    25A definition is “bag” and is referenced by part of the answer to the referred clues.
    25A definition is “justice” (sort of). A word for “feel for” surrounds a word for “rifle” – not a gun.

    Try these and see how you go.

  45. Having just got it as my last word, I’d also like to register a complaint about the definition of 2D. Only half of them fulfil the description of the first two words. DA appears to have conflated it with the word for the female.

  46. thanks Mort, but that didn’t get me very far.
    I’m guessing the last word of 14a based on what you’ve said, but no idea of the rest of it.
    19d I can think of several that start with those two letters, some of them fit the third letter I have, assuming that part of 3d/6d is correct, but none of them make any sense in terms of the marshy sierra.
    25a, as I don’t have 14a it isn’t making sense and I’m beginning to doubt my 10a now.
    Already had 26a.

  47. Likewise AG re 2D def and Mort re 13D tympanum/s. They slowed me up as well.

    It does make it difficult and spoils the fun when there so many errors as in today’s offering. If cruciverbalism doesn’t pay well enough for editing, I bet there’d be a few keen volunteers who’d check the grid for the sheer joy of being the first to solve it, and the deep satisfaction of protecting the rest of us from chipped teeth, ruined pens and smashed iphones.

    And can we please have a font avec serif! Balls and bails. Alien and Allen. We might be saving ourselves from dementia but going blind in the process!

  48. nn, 14A the word for naïve is an old fashioned term – he was a xxxxx youth.
    19A a marsh is rain-soaked; he came home soaking; he was xxxxxx, less the first letter.
    10A think pirates – it has a three-letter word in it – the first three letters of the (very strange) film director.
    14D relates to a bull…
    28A definition is “sees”; a four-letter word for intelligence around “sense somehow”.
    8D a word that I’d never heard of – check the comments above for help.
    20D “demos leading” gives first letter. Then a sign (not Sagittarius) gives a vocal equivalent of farms.
    24D definition is “scratch”. Copyright gives first letter; regulation gives balance.

  49. Gave up and went to crossword club. A mixed bag of good and bad clues this week. 3d/6d is just a mess with the second word of the answer.
    Was pleased to see that I had all the answers (and parts of answers) that I’d put in correct, but I just had too many gaps in the bottom half to really get going there.
    Time for other things in life!

  50. Thanks anyway Gayle, I knew sierra referred to romeo, tango, foxtrot etc. I just couldn’t come up with something that meant marshy but had a last letter that made any sense in terms of getting the last bit of 8d.
    And thanks Mort, I did have 10a correct, was pretty sure I did, but as I didn’t have 14a I had no hope of 25a. Even when I saw the answer for 25a, it took me a while to see what he was on about.
    20d, why are the last two words of the clue capitalised? I have the answer and sort of get what he’s on about, but why the capitalisation? That usually indicates a Rebus or similar doesn’t it?

  51. Gayle I agree with the font. I look at the digital edition on my computer, blow it up, copy the image, paste it into word and resize to a full A4 sheet before printing. I still had trouble distinguishing bails from balls. (unfortunately the resolution of the printed image isn’t that great when you blow it up).
    I’ve had similar problems in the past with i and l in the font they use. Many other sections of The Age have become harder to read since they went to a tabloid format too.

  52. 20D I read the capitalisation as the words on the placard at the demo, although I don’t know what VOCAL FARMS are – maybe an exhortation for farmers to speak up about what Coles is doing to the price of eggs or milk.

  53. I thought the vocal was a homophone indicator for the (star) sign following the first letter.
    That blasted small font caused me not to see the colon following the word sign, so I guess the capitalisation makes a little bit of sense in terms of the surface reading.

  54. Gayle I’m with you about the font….but then again I’m fighting the internal battle about glasses #imstillyoung

  55. Thanks re 26A, Mort, but I still can’t see it. Perhaps I have it and/or 22D (late C19th prez?) wrong. ‘Night.

  56. I have the solution from the paper and I feel better about giving up and not getting myself frustrated yesterday. A lot of lightly pencilled answers were right which was encouraging, like 12A which was easy to get from definition but I still can’t parse. I can’t parse many of the across clues which seem to be much harder than the down.

    I agree with the comments on “tympanus” and answer for 2D. Also I’d not heard of 27A in that sense only as a synonym of “stolen” – is this a variation on other anti-gypsy words from the UK?

    With 17A being the third time this week I’ve seen this answer (and I didn’t do any puzzles mid week) I’m now convinced the compilers have a club and set a word challenge amongst themselves.

  57. CC 27a the first four letters are a sharp instrument used in ancient warfare. If you are are the victim of one of these instruments you have been 27a.
    12a letters 1,2 3 and 6 are a race of nomadic people, letters 4 and 5 have been sucked in this word. Didn’t think much of this as a clue, the surface reading is very messy.
    Like you I had a lot of correct answers that didn’t make sense in terms of the wordplay so I was never sure they were correct until I’d seen the solutions, which made me even less certain about filling in any of the words that intersected them.

    AG 26a letters 2,3,4 are rifle as in what a thief may do when going through your drawers.
    The rest is to feel (sorry) for.
    You have 22d correct.

  58. Thanks, nn – worked it out last night in the insomnia hour. I’d been fixated on “probe” as “feel for”, I think.

  59. I was just wondering whether anyone has seen “bugged” used as a homophone indicator before (as in 23D).

    I also wonder whether DA actually knew that word that is 18D or whether he went looking for a word to fill the blank squares. It is a strange word.

    1D was a beauty!

  60. TKO, “ward” is the reverse of draw and hence can be called drawback, which means disadvantage.

  61. Jack [12:32]. Although a strange word, it appears in practically every book on running or jogging. It translates to “speed play” from its original language.
    DA has that lean and hungry look; perhaps he is a runner. I think it more likely, however, that he simply trawls up any odd r interesting word that he ever encounters.

  62. Jack, I haven’t seen bugged used that way before, but when you bug something you could be listening in so I didn’t think it was too bad (he’s certainly done worse!)

  63. … who apparently prefer to be called Sami, Lapp being an exonym bestowed on them by one of the other Nordic peoples.

  64. Brian, many who grew up in the 70s would be familiar with “fartlek”; I think it is a long way from odd or esoteric, at least for Gen Xers.

  65. And what a coincidence: a sports story in today’s Age reported on torturous fartlek training!

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