DA Confusion for the 21st of November, 2014

Have your DA confusions sorted out here. Go on.

92 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 21st of November, 2014

  1. All out. Quick run through but slowed down for the ‘outer circle’ clues. ‘Marshals’ in 26A held me up.
    If I’m right about 6D it’s not a word I’ve heard before.

  2. All out. Started like gang busters with all LHS out quickly. Then stalled as found some quite tricky eg: 17A and 26A.
    Whilst I think I have correct answers, still do not get wordplay for 10A and 12A.

  3. Good morning everyone
    I’m in Hobart for the weekend with my iPad
    How do I access the crossword?

  4. Morning Ray.
    10A Whitechapel is in East London.
    12A double def. one being descriptive of the clearly-defined muscles of a body builder

  5. I’m on the board
    Ist time doing xword on an iPad
    Feels a bit weird but better than nothing

  6. Trying to clue 16D for non NSWelshpersons as I think it’s a bit unfair …. I used to live near ‘there’ but I don’t know how others could get it.
    There’s one luxury car reversing in scrambled brain.

  7. MJH , well you should be able to grab the low-hanging fruit in 4D then.

    Yes Ray, still awaiting moderation, but that’s how I got 6D as well. Had to put cross letters in online tool and work out wordplay afterwards with that one.

  8. Good morning,fellow travellers. Have only nine so far, possibly ten. Voting today (booth set up here in Village!), cricket later. Must concentrate!

  9. There is a common rude word which may answer 12A. But would DA include that in his crossword? Also, 2D. A symbol of Egyptian origin partly fits clue, but as I haven’t sorted 10A yet, not sure. Any clue?

  10. Arthur I thought the same for 12a (rhyming slang) but is a different word but same meaning.

  11. Got the outer circle with just 7 clues left, but if it’s the same name as the one in the states, my 22D is wrong.

  12. Gayle, no. The last letter of 22D should be “L” to complete the outer circle, but the answer to the clue is different.

  13. Rupert I agree re 22D. I spent too long looking for a two-letter word ending in L until finally parsing the clue.

  14. Oh, I see the significance of the L now. Bad mistake eh? I can’t understand how that got through.

  15. Re 2D, Mort, I saw my mistake immediately after I posted (happens all the time). Still not clear on my 10A. What is significance of Whitechapel. No idea. If my 15A is correct, I was one of those from ’48-51 when I got my Corporal’s stripes. But what does ‘outer circle’ mean? CE? I’ve completed almost all of top half, lost in bottom half, only four solved. May abandon this one, Margaret very unwell, had a heavy fall Monday evening, still very sick, sore and sorry. But it knocks me very badly also.

  16. Sorry to hear about Margaret.

    10A: Whitechapel is within earshot of Bow Bell.
    15A: “I was one of those from ’48-51 when I got my Corporal’s stripes”
    I really hope not!

  17. Arthur, as mentioned above re 10A, Whitechapel is in East London:” ‘e ain’t ‘eavy, ‘es me bruvver.”

  18. Massive fail in the grid construction today. It seems DA forgot he needed an L and instead used a clue that mentioned himself, the compiler.
    Burnt.

  19. Rupert, I may have misunderstood and put in wrong answer to 15A, but it seemed OK. ‘Proclaim centre’, followed by employees (who in RAF/RAAF terminology were erks). Penpushers? This simpleton needs guidance, if I have the answer wrong. As to 10A Mort, I’ve probably got that wrong still, but will leave that till tomorrow. I had a word starting with D.

  20. Arthur, 10A, you have the first two letters. The balance means “has” and definition is “employees of outer circle”

  21. Re 22 down’s disturbance of the elegance of the outer circle, from DA’s Twitter account @dontattempt:
    “Damn – I changed CYMBAL at the proofing
    phase, neglecting the hidden ring! Throw me to the 15-across”

  22. Sure was a clanger, that dropped cymbal eh?
    Yes, Tina, I got that. : ) Was just trying to help others who may not know the town with alternative clue. maybe only succeeded in muddying the waters of the Namoi.

  23. Had most done before realising the theme. As this included 22D, I was not thrown by the error. Finished now and off to the Mullum Music Festival. Enjoy Tassie, MJH. Hope Margaret recovers soon, Arthur.

  24. Indy, I think that 17A relates to lions … after taking the middle letter from a synonym of fiddles – not the musical kind.

  25. No! Can’t see any more, have shredded it and filed. Sad, but don’t feel up to it today.

  26. DA’s Twitter tip for nutting out the obscure theme (only 3 clues relate directly) of today’s cryptic …
    “@dontattempt: Warning: today’s DA #crossword goes across, down & around”
    … the 22 down goof notwithstanding (where you had T DA intended L, but he changed 22 d & forgot)

  27. The penny has just dropped! I’ve just realised what the outer circle means: which confirms my 10A but meant I had 12A incorrect (even after changing it from the most obvious, albeit rude, word that I originally had). I was pleased when I was able to confirm that what the wordplay was telling me was the answer to 6D.

  28. I was discombobulated for some time with the second half of the outer circle (even with the L) because I insisted on thinking clockwise! All done now, but I had to search hard for 16d.

  29. I fail to see any error in the clue to 22D. It looks fine to me. The compiler is dressed in a warm outer garment.
    I cannot rationalize 12A despite clues above.
    6D is a new word for me.
    I never knew that the plural in 8D had that type of ending.

  30. 14 DA is experienced enough to know “top” and “topless” are better suited to down clues
    24 If the answer is mirrored shouldn’t it be 1221 and not 1212?
    16 Enjoyed this clue, although is “in northern NSW” a sufficient definition?

  31. Tassie is lovely
    But it’s hard doing it on iPad as you don’t have it visible while you check on clues, have to keep switching screens:(
    Could be worse…

  32. Thanks Mort, I hadn’t seen the letters in the perimeter.
    I still don’t understand the significance of B&L. I think the answer also means swindled (or chiselled) as in 1,2,3,4,5,6 off.

  33. Yes MJH, I do the crossword on iPad all week, but need the paper version on Friday.
    Managed to finish, once the above discussion on 22d helped me see what the outer circle was. So, I guess DA’s slip-up actually helped me!
    I do hope Margaret picks up, Arthur.

  34. Thanks Sandy, I thought that was the case, but had some trouble with the rhyme.
    Overall, I really don’t know how I solved this puzzle, as I didn’t see the outer circle until I’d finished. I just thought outer circle was a general term for a show such as the one described.

  35. Making reasonable progress (for me). Have top left-hand corner and 13D and 16D.
    Baffled by references to outer circle. Can anyone help without giving the game away?

  36. GeoffD, I think DA might have given the game away. Others might say he should have after today’s pratfall.
    Ringmaster’s voice sounds awfully like his and he’s v-e-r-y familiar with what DA is saying @don’tattempt.
    Where would you find a ringmaster? You could look in the outer square (rather than circle) of the grid. I agree with Jack, there’s usually two circles. 17 A and 26 A are usually in the ‘inner circle’ I would have thought. 15As are all over the place.

  37. I don’t understand the confusion around 22d. Do I have a different edition of the paper?,’Attack compiler dressed warmly (4,2)’ has a straightforward answer that doesn’t need an L and has nothing to do with the theme or cymbals and fits with other clues.
    Geoff I got 26a from an anagram then it clicked. The employees all work in a circle.
    I would love some help with NE corner aside from 4d.

  38. MD, I didn’t see it straight away either. 22D is correct as clued and as per your answer, but it’s made a mess of a trick that DA was attempting around the outside of the grid. Needed an L as last letter of 22D. It’s easier to see if you start with the first letters of 1,2,3 and 4,5,6 Down and work your way around as in Ringmaster’s and DA’s tip above.

  39. Jack I was trying to come up with a synonym for “Chiselled” that was like swindle, but not “fiddle” as well. But I get the rhyming slang reference. Now have a Dropkick Murphy’s song in my head.

    Sorry you’re going through some hard times now, Arthur. I hope things improve and Margaret is better soon.

  40. Got 8 before coming here, including enough to give me some idea of what the circle is.
    Not impressed to see yet another obscure little NSW location vaguely clued. I have the first and third letter of it, but a list of NSW towns in wikipedia reveals none that fit those two letters.
    Have letter 2 and 6 of 12A and am resisting the temptation to put the obvious word for B & L in there as it doesn’t mean chiselled. This providing a huge mental block for this question as I keep seeing that word whenever I look at it.
    On to all your comments in the hope of some help

  41. Australian postcode website reveals two NSW towns that fit my cross letters, only one of which is in northern NSW (and I’d actually heard of it), but can’t make any sense of it in terms of the wordplay, so maybe it isn’t the right one.

  42. nn, as Gayle said above re 16D “one luxury car reversing in scrambled brain” is another way of defining this Northern NSW town.

  43. Got the clean version of 12a now which gave me 13d. Am having trouble interpreting the wordplay unless “in hiding” is meant to be an anagrind???

  44. thanks Mort, that confirms my answer, haven’t had chance to read all of the above yet, but no idea how it fits DA’s wordplay.

  45. thanks Mort, that would have to be one of the worst he’s ever used (and there has been plenty of competition!). Surely he could have found something better that still fitted the surface reading.
    Have the entire left side now except for 25a and 21d. Wordsearches have been no help with these.
    Most of the right side is depressingly blank, will come back to it after tea.

  46. Got 25a now, but not 21a. Despite only missing letters 2 and 4, I still can’t come up with anything that makes sense.

  47. Making some progress on the right side now, about half of it done. Had never heard of 6d, but got it from wordseach tools and the wordplay.

  48. thanks Mort, that gave me the answer, but wordplay escapes me.

    Just 4d, 8d, 14a, 17a and 18d to go.
    I have the outer circle, which helped me get a few of the other answers.

  49. Aargh, just got 8d. Almost had it hours ago but hadn’t read it carefully enough to realise it was plural. This gave me 14a, just 4d, 17a and 18d to go

  50. nn, 4D definition is “apple producer” – we’re about to sell it to China.
    8D plural of word for tipping point. Almost drunk is 1-3; bender raising is 4-6.
    14A Definition is one who delivers. Topless fashion is 1-4; balance is the usual two queens.
    17A – think of lions.
    18D – I aM cOnFusEd about this

  51. CC, 14a isn’t a madam and doesn’t have to be a she. He or she may have delivered unto Ceaser.

  52. thanks Mort, had worked out 8d and 14a while you were typing.
    Your hints gave me 17a and 18d, although I don’t get the wordplay in 17a (along with a few other bits and pieces.
    The apple producer escapes me, wordsearches haven’t helped.

  53. I have 14A, thank you nn. I’ll have to drag out my The Tipping Point book by Gladwell for 8D.
    Still most of bottom half to solve (I started late) and the wine is nice and the evening is lovely…

  54. Thanks to those who offered good wishes to Margaret. She has a magnificent black eye (right) where her glasses dug in, a horrendous bruise on right buttock (first point of contact where she landed), other sore areas on her back. I think it takes more out of me than it does her. She has the physical pain, I have the mental torment. When you see your wife of 58 years lying on the floor with blood coming from her head, and all you can do is ring for an ambulance, it hits you hard. They took her to hospital, but emergency was wall-to-wall people. They sent her home in an ambulance at 2345. No X=ray, no scans at all. Too busy. Anyway, we are both recovering slowly.
    I looked again at the puzzle (which I stuck back together), but no idea what the outer circle is about, so will wait for tomorrow.

  55. CC, not sure if the book will help, Archimedes would be a better bet.

    Arthur, sorry to hear about Margaret, hope you are both on the road to recovery, sounds like your ambulance and hospital trip was quite a circus, going around in circles.

  56. Arthur, I grew up in a town with close connections to one of the outer circle’s “biggest” stars. All I can say is, it’s the Greatest Show on Earth.

  57. Well, I’ve looked at the answers, almost wish I hadn’t. Proserpina wasn’t on any list of goddesses I looked at. And ‘outer Circle’? I haven’t any idea what that refers to. Will someone please elucidate. Obviously, as answers were clowns, tamers, trapezes, there must be a circus connection. Maybe I’ll Google it later. Nearly breakfast time.

  58. Arthur, best wishes to Margaret for a speedy recovery.

    Proserpina is the Roman name for Persephone, daughter of Demeter.
    “Outer circle” refers to the four six-letter words formed by the letters on the edges of the grid. They all have a circus theme.

  59. Thanks, Rupert, never thought of looking there. Found the big top, circus, Barnum, and I think I saw a reference up there to a DA boo-boo, because it reads Baitey across the bottom. I did find Proserpina in an old encyclopedia I have, but that was this morning, too late.

  60. Has DA squared the circle? For truly circular grids see examples by Mass in the Listener and The Spectator.

  61. Thanks trippers, I got about 15 by myself but needed some pointers from above to see the theme.
    I can’t see how “in hiding” should be an anagrind, it should be a container indicator, shouldn’t it ?
    I got the answer but mainly due to my daughters Percy Jackson books. I think she (10yo) knows more Classical mythology than me now …

  62. Had a laugh when you guys pointed me to DA’s intended ‘outer circle’ (I love these value-adds of DA, not seen with the other compilers). I’d satisfied myself that ‘outer circle’ clued ‘Ring’ (guess the clues should then have been “…of/in THE…” but so too should they have been for “big top” and “circus”)

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