DA Confusion for the 11th of July, 2014

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133 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 11th of July, 2014

  1. Good for you, Ray. I have seven or eight, but baffled by the key answer, 21D, 11A. I’m baffled also by 23D. Put in what seemed probable answer, fits two across answers (21 & 28), but apart from the azure, can see no connection with clue.

  2. Arthur turns 85 tomorrow (or maybe Sunday). If you can’t afford a gold-plated Roller as a gift, help with clues will suffice.

  3. 23D: loft as in hitting a ball; adult as in movie.

    When I find out how to send a gold-plated Rolls via WordPress, you shall be the first to have one!

  4. Arthur, I’d love to put my hand in my sky rocket to buy you a Pigs ear For your birthday but the cheese and kisses says it too Piccadilly to go out…what a Barry! Trust this will assist in place of a Roller.

  5. I did not know that word for tax in 29A, though obviously I knew the expression relating to not paying it.
    25A/16A, 26A/24A and particularly 13D are not familiar bits of 21D 11A to me, though I may have a northern hemisphere bias ;)

    Had to go to the wordfinder for 8D (embarassing when I found it!) and Google for 20D.

  6. Pretty easy solve even before I got the theme. Not to sure why the word “vegan” is included in 26/24 across but then I’m not that familiar with the condition.

  7. Have a blast Arthur!
    @ Rupert, I don’t feel so bad then. Stuck on 8D and 20D and computer too slow to google. Have tried 2 searches on wordfinders for 8D to no avail.
    DA’s got a thing for the Sopranos and US sitcoms, but not familiar to me.
    Liked the theme. Although have never heard of 13D as a 21/11 either.

  8. Best wishes Arthur.
    8D was one of the last in for me too. It seemed so obvious once I found it. Gayle: the definition is the first word.
    I’m not sure about either 7D or 10A.
    A fun theme today.

  9. Thanks Ann. Got 8D now the scales have fallen off…!
    7D first word is the definition (Iwas thinking of words like I-beam) but not that sort of bar. Wordplay is one-letter synonym for 27D. And news is plural.

  10. Happy Birthday, Arthur! Long may you continue to solve.
    I’ve got it out, except that I have two or three possibilities for 29 A – (is that really out, then?)
    is it an animal one takes huntin’ and shootin’ or is it multi-coloured OR is it one that “John and Betty” played with? I have not heard the expression in relation to tax or after tax. Am I barking up the wrong tree?
    “Doh” moment when I realised that the dictator was not Pol Pot or Idi Amin but an indicator for a homophone.

  11. Ann, I’ll go with that one too.
    Sometimes a word is right, but you don’t know why! It just works.

  12. MaryV, the tax is the first four letters of the answer. It’s nowadays only used in the sense that those who don’t pay it have got away …

  13. Five in so far. Unfortunately I don’t share DA’s love of US TV shows, so hope not too much knowledge of them is required for three rest of it.

  14. 1A: If you’ve heard of The Sopranos at all you’ll probably get this.
    20D: The judge was jailed from 2009 to 2011; the sitcom ran from 1989 to 1998.

  15. Thank you Rupert. I did have 23D correct then. Thank you Peter for your contribution. Couple of bits I’m still trying to decipher. Thank You, Gayle, Ann, MaryV. Confusion on date, Mum said 12th, birth cert., when I joined RAAF @ 18, said 13. So I’m really going to be 170, with two birthdays each year!

  16. Happy Birthday Arthur. Thanks Ray for patiently helping me with final word last week. I did eventually see it. Liked the short ones this week(27d 17d and7d) Two to go 5d&8d. Any help please?

  17. Thanks Rupert, I got 1a, but have no idea about 20d despite your hint. Am completely lost on the key clues of 17d and 21d/11a
    Have an answer that makes sense to me for 14a, but don’t get the wordplay. Am assuming first word is def, earl sides gives first two letters but as for the rest of it….

  18. megse: definition for 5D is the first word. letters 1 and 2 are ‘medico’. Can you get it from there.
    Definition for 8D is the first word.

  19. Very Oz-centric today. I got 13D, but never heard of it. I once wrote a song called 26:24.

  20. Think I have the theme now, although I can’t find a word for 21a that ends in the first letter I have for 23d.

  21. 21A is a pretty straightforward clue (anagrind+fodder+definition). If you can’t get it, it may be that your 23D is wrong.

  22. Rupert, I’ve only ever heard of 9a as one of the two words in the answer, preceded by a word in the clue. Never heard of it expressed the way the answer is.
    21a, I don’t have 17d yet, presume this is either the anagrind or part of the fodder, so hard to make sense of the clue. Presume the definition is the first word. My 23d fits your explanation at 8.01 of the wordplay, together with the definition.

  23. More than half done. Q re 9A. Can find reference to only two events, only one (dampish) fits the space. But that leaves me a baffling puzzle for 2D. I’d have liked the third letter to be an N?

  24. nn, the miscreant in 20D had a first name Marcus, I think. “No, Your Honour, I wasn’t driving’.

  25. All done – my last one in was 18 D – never heard of the answer. Don’t understand all the wordplay for 19D. And agree with Mort that vegan doesn’t seem to fit in 26, 24A. Did enjoy the theme.

    Happy birthday Arthur!

  26. nn – think of a famous American sitcom famed for being about nothing. Remove first letter and you have the disgraced judge

  27. 19D: Definition is the first two words. “lean rib” = letters 2, 3, replacing “eatable marrow” (1 letter) in a 6-letter word for hamper.

  28. Thanks Stuart, I’ve got him.
    Left side done apart from 29a, although I think I have the first word and the first letter of the second word. Right side pretty empty at the moment apart from 4a, 5d, 7d, 23d and 20a

  29. Aargh! have spent the last hour trying to fit the answer to 21d into the space for 21a and wondering why it wouldn’t fit, even though I was pretty sure I had the right word!!!!

  30. That gave me the rest of 29a, although I have no idea how the wordplay works for it, despite reading Rupert’s hints above. Guess it relies on something I’ve never heard of in relation to the tax

  31. Megse – think of answer (first word of clue) to 8 d as noun not verb – and not to do with your address book

  32. 8d still elusive despite all the above hints.
    Have had a guess at 21d assuming writer is the def, but wordplay makes no sense
    No idea on 25a/16a and 13d, despite looking up many lists of such things and having the first three letters of 16a.

  33. got 8d now, thanks Megse. Had messed around with similar ideas several times but couldn’t get a word to fit.

  34. 29A: first 4 letters of answer are an archaic word for a kind of tax.

    Got theme reasonably fast, but 13D? Really? New one on me …

    Stuart: forget that it’s a theme, just concentrate on 21D/11A as a normal clue. Definition is first word of clue; “reported 17D” means the first part of 21D sound like the answer of 17D; then a famous dynasty. Then for 11A we have the s from “dynasty’s” plus a famous (old) movie director.

    Now I’ve got it all except 18D, which I see no-one above’s had a problem with!

  35. Which in turn gave me almost all the rest, although I don’t understand the wordplay in 25a/16a and showed I was completely on the wrong track with the author I had for 22d.
    Only 30a to go now, wordfinder hasn’t been any help.

  36. all done now, kicked myself when I found 30a, had rejected it earlier as didn’t follow the wordplay, but I get it now.

  37. Back after a few week away. Happy birthday Arthur. Got it all out but not sure of word play for 25/16. Never heard of 18d. Like others above, I cannot see the point of ‘vegan’ in 26/24.

  38. 18D: The word is (I think) extremely obscure, but given the anagram fodder and the cross letters, there’s really only one arrangement of letters that looks like a valid word.

  39. Sorry, I’ll try that again.

    25A/16A: Carry out = letters 2 – 6; barrister’s case = 1, 7; boorish = 8 – 12

  40. I have nothing to do with 2 down!
    I expected a mention somewhere else, but no!
    btw Arthur I spent part of yesterday helping a man celebrate his 100th birthday!
    And back in my day 13 down was a brand of blanket!
    In fact i managed today’s without recourse to any help from this column or from any dictionary or from any electronic aid.
    Baffled though about what vegans have to do with 26, 24 across!

  41. Thanks for best wishes, Julienne & Dave R (maybe missed some). I’ve eight to go, really struggling. Is the tree in 8D ‘second person’? Or a fire remnant? Is someone exercising in 13D? Does the home-wrecker in 6D have eight legs? I’ve hit a brick wall, unable to decipherr helpful(?) clues above.

  42. 8D: second person.
    13D: don’t think so. It’s a suburb of Adelaide, from what I’ve read.
    6D: Your home is unlikely to be wrecked by this; those living in trailers in Oklahoma and Texas, much more so.

  43. Thanks again Rupert. Down to five now. I think I know that place you referred to, must see how it fits clue. Looked, still unsure. Time for arvo tea, then pool. Back later.

  44. Could vegan’s offal option be a homophone of 26 letters 1-4, and 26 letter 5 +24 letters 1-3, followed by the offal.

  45. > Andrew T, 18d def is first two words, followed by anagrind, then fodder.

    Y’know, I looked up those first two words in Wikipedia, no mention of the answer as a meaning, so I thought I must be on the wrong track. But when you google the answer they come up in the definition! Gaaah.

    > 13D: don’t think so. It’s a suburb of Adelaide, from what I’ve read.

    More a town outside it, but I only know it from my youth as a brand name of a woolen blanket , of all things! Never ever heard it as a 21D11 though.

  46. @Gayle | July 11, 2014 at 2:16 pm |

    “Could vegan’s offal option be a homophone of 26 letters 1-4, and 26 letter 5 +24 letters 1-3, followed by the offal”

    Huh??

  47. I looked up Wikitionary and 13D is there as 21D/11A, along with most others used today. Surprisingly 25A/16A was not there and that’s one of the more frequently used!

  48. Also puzzled by 2nd word in 9A. I have it but never heard of it used in this context!

  49. @nn, Yeah, it might be drawing a long bow and it would need another homophone indicator perhaps but I was wondering about “Stay canned …… “

  50. @Gayle, I see what you mean, but wouldn’t the vegan prefer that it never made it into the can in the first place?

  51. Thanks, Rupert, for the explanations. I have heard of 9a as is, although the first word alone, or as the second element (where the first is the name of some room or other – not always kitchen) is more common.

  52. hey all, all done except 2d and 25a?? can some lovely person slap me gently in the face with a clue or two?

  53. Nebraska, 2D definition is “way”,
    25A is first name of an Australian entertainer.

  54. Nebraska, if I have it right, 2D is a theme example for ‘Road’. For your other query, I have put in name of an Australian crooner, with a connection to a popular soapie serial, but, for the life of me, I can’t see how he fits the clue. I’ve given up now, will wait till tomorrow.

  55. Nebraska, 25a see Rupert’s post above at 1.42pm
    2d, first word is an anagrind the fodder is the next two words. This gives 1-4 and 5-7. ‘Oscar’ is letter 9 in a three lettered word for little. ‘Way’ is the 21d11a

  56. Ooops, second part of clue to 2D should read “anagrind” is Awfully; Oscar is just the letter in the phonetic alphabet. (Has anyone ever wondered why phonetic isn’t spelled with an F?)

  57. Hi trippers. This is my first post. After struggling through, I’m at a loss to understand 21d 11a. Is the last syllable, as a ‘director’, a reference to the first name of a deceased media magnate?

  58. Thank you all very much! appreciated. and arthur, happy birthday you good man. thanks again.

  59. 26/24 Or a pun on ‘offal’? A vegan is off all animal products. I think that may be it, hence the ‘ ‘
    Anyone else care to put their 13 D in the pie?

  60. gayle, i’ll jump in and add that 26/24 is 21/11 for melbournian’s northern neighbour.

  61. great! if you are still in need of company, i have no idea whatsoever on 8d despite all the above advice. it remains my last 3 blank squares… i refuse to word search it!

  62. It was my last in too. And wordsearches didn’t help me, even though I got the tree-hugging right but couldn’t get the tree. The definition is nothing to do with getting in touch with people or electrical circuits. Wordplay is:
    Letter 1: usual abbreviation for English: Letters 5,6,7 usual cryptic answer for listener, hugging/containing a 3 letter tree which sounds like U.
    I hope that’s all clear now?

  63. PS I won’t be around for another hour or so .. on my way home. Over to other Trippers.

  64. I’ve done well today, once I got the theme and found a 21D/11A helper site. Still empty in NE corner, though. I’m no where with 9A despite all the “kitchen” help. I’m also dreadful with Spooner clues. I’m pretty chuffed to have only five unsolved, for me that’s a win.

    Hope you have a lovely Birthday Arthur, and another one for Sunday. Have a nice weekend everyone.

  65. Thanks everyone for all the help above. Only missing four which is an excellent result for me.

    Happy birthday Arthur

  66. This one came out rather easily. However, I am with other commentators in not understanding the presence of “Vegan’s” in 26A, 24A.

  67. I still cannot break the theme. I’ve been at it all day, and only busted 5 clues. Not my best result to date.

  68. Ben – I got 21D/11A working it inside-out. I thought of a famous “dynasty” whose artefacts are often victims of slapstick which gave 4-7, then the “director” is a modern one whose won best director twice, to give 11A’s 3-5 . Sorry I can’t parse the rest. Hope that helps give you the theme’s “code”. Rupert gave a hint with “Rupert | July 11, 2014 at 12:15 pm |
    Stuart, you mean you’re pulling your Barnet out.”

  69. Ultimately, I missed two only. Pat Malone and eyewear. Got helpful hints from above for a couple, but the old brain solved the rest. Thanks to all for the birthday greetings. I celebrated July 12 till I joined the RAAF at eighteen, needed a birth certificate, it said 13th. Mum said I was six weeks old before Dad went into town (Drouin) to register my birth, and by then he had forgotten which day I was born. Having a big nosh-up with Margaret and elder daughter for lunch today.

  70. Have a wonderful birthday arthur
    I’m a day late as I had to work yesterday
    Had a luxurious two hours solving the puzzle this morning

  71. Rupert said: “21D/11A: I thought the director was German/Austrian, and older than Arthur.”

    You’re probably right, I was going with Brokeback Mountain director. Once I got the 7-letter word, the 5-letter one was an easier guess.

  72. Happy birthday Arthur ! ( I seem to be on my Pat , in not having solved 4d. It doesn’t seem to be anyone else’s last one in.) Cheers.

  73. So proud of myself this week – got it all except 25A/16A (actually thought it might be Betty C……R so I was close) and 13D. Eventually looked these two answers up this morning but do not understand the word play for either, or how either can be considered part of the theme. Can anyone help please?

  74. June 25/16A “out” means anagram of “carry”. “Boring” means it is inside the following: Barrister’s case is BR. Boorish is ocker. So B – arryc- r -ocker. Is my reading of it.

  75. June 13D is another convoluted one that I could only parse when completed. Regarding = on; Thousand = K; Articles are two A’s written about (around) a word meaning “cutting”.

    Simple when you’ve got it!

  76. Thanks so much Mort – that helps a lot with the word play. However, I still don’t get how either of those two answers refer to “in 21-down 11-across” – where is the rhyming slang connection?

  77. June, Barry Crocker is rhyming slang for shocker, as in flop. Onkaparinga is ditto for finger as in digit.
    I’d never heard either of these but a web search confirmed it.

  78. Thanks again Mort – now I get it! Not surprised I missed out on those, but pretty pleased with my effort overall this week.

  79. I think the vegan is there because the answer is an ‘offal’/awful option for them ?

  80. Lauren, agree that ‘offal’ is a pun, and an awful one whichever way you look at it, but my interpretation was that the vegan’s option is ‘off all’ meat products.

  81. I confess that I still cannot work out vegan offal despite the very good suggestions. It was in last week’s Age, in a new column, that DA confessed to negative feedback about cult rhyming with colt. If he is really rhyming offal with awful, then he has another apology to make!

  82. Happy Birthday Arthur for yesterday and tomorrow. Congratulations on having such a good brain. I enjoy your comments.

  83. I was amused recently when a NSW Barry had a “Barry” about a bottle of wine. Do we call it a Barrel now ?
    Thanks Trippers for 10a.
    In Newy I hear 9a being used…. I think it may have been on Kath &Kim as well, or maybe they seem to be the sort of people who would hold one.
    According to that ever present Fry guy, the Islands of Great Britain have more 6d than the US, it’s just that the weather conditions in the USA, create really big ones ….

  84. Hoping for help. I am sure I have correct answer but do not get wordplay for 13D in today’s Sun Herald. Thanks.

  85. Happy Birthday Arthur! I have very much enjoyed your posts over the last 2-3 years and may we all see many more of them!

  86. Ray I’ve binned it. What was the clue again? Was it the long one down the middle? ANIMADVERT. If so, I got the spirit and god willing, but couldn’t get the last 3 letters or the bird oddlybit.

  87. Thanks Gayle – and yes – so what was the spirit (ANIME???) and god willing (?????) bit?

  88. Despite the fact that the DV thing is in some dictionaries, I don’t believe in the “if it’s in the dictionary it’s fair game” approach. It’s not common, and almost no-one would know it without looking it up (meaning you’d have to know the answer first). So we have an unusual answer, and a wordplay with elements that are also obscure including EgReT. Another poor clue in a poor crossword.

  89. Egret came to me while I was at work, but Robin’s swooped on that one.
    DV I have to credit Arthur with. He said that a while back .. and it made me look it up.

    Yeah, Stig, but that’s a different kind of challenge/fun with Sun Herald. If you can get it from wordplay and then find some obscure/archaic word I didn’t know I don’t mind. But then I’m an etymology nut. It’s when you can’t get it from wordplay that frustrates me. Whichever which way, it keeps Alzheimer’s at bay.

  90. @Gayle I guess we look for different things in cryptics. I’m looking to get the answer and wish to use the definition and the wordplay to achieve this. Deciphering the wordplay to achieve my goal is OK, but needing to unravel the wordplay AFTER I have the answer is a sign of poor cluing IMO. The wordplay should lead to the answer, otherwise you are relying mainly on the definition to get the answer, which is just like a normal crossword but with extra (almost redundant) bits. In my case obscure bits in the wordplay (sometimes in the Sun-Herald crossword only in one dictionary) only cause frustration. I’m all for learning new words as a result of piecing together a good wordplay, but a compiler insisting you have to discover obscure things in the part of the clue that’s supposed to help you solve the clue, is just plain wrong IMO.

  91. Yes but how does the compiler know you don’t know a saying he has used since he/she learnt their Catechisms

  92. @Jupiter I guess because it’s his job to know his audience. Also, knowing the term Deo volente isn’t at issue here – it’s whether the solver knows that it can be abbreviated to DV – something I doubt he became familiar with when he learnt his Catechisms.

  93. I’m just being a Devils Advocate….
    I guess we all show an enthusiasm for learning obscure stuff — by the mere fact we apply ourselves to the cryptic crossword in the first place !

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