DA Confusion for the 4th of July, 2014

Have your confusions sorted out here.

93 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 4th of July, 2014

  1. I have an answer for all clues but there are several I do not get yet such as 13A, 22A, 3D, 8D.
    Liked 11A, 24A, 12D, 19D.
    Did not like 4D as, if I have correct, I do not think a good clue.
    And again if I have correct, never heard of 6D.

  2. Mostly pretty easy this week, apart from 3 clues in the NE which will require some more coffee.

    I liked 22A.

    I don’t like the definition in 4D. Am I being dumb as a bag of hammers?

  3. Thanks Rupert. Yep got them now.
    6D is all homophones – and as I said I have not heard of the answer.
    13A “Rolls” is anagrind. Defn = “console”. Convoluted fodder the rest.

  4. Have the first word for 6D but not the second.
    I don’t mind the definition in 4D. Nice deception. And was even further deceived because I thought the answer was two words but dictionary says not.

  5. Thanks Ray for 13 A. Had the answer but couldn’t get the wordplay – and I speak German!

  6. Rupert – 8D – my read is defn = “rhyme” (with “fine-style” giving an example). “Quality” = 7 letter synonym for letters 3,4,5,6,7,8,9. “evident” = synonym (?) for letters 1,2. Which when read together is akin to “Quality evident”. Worded this poorly sorry.

  7. Ah!! Got the second word of 6D now. Have heard of it. Sydney knowledge required. (and the Macquarie dictionary) Can’t help with hints for Melbourne or NZ equivalents. And a very brave DA to ‘homophonise’ the first word. (second word not a homophone)

  8. Still don’t get the wordplay in 8D. I think the definition is the last word. Don’t see anything to do with quality in the letters.

  9. 6D: We don’t have it in NZ. Known for it, in fact.

    8D: Thanks, Ray. I don’t think it’s a very good clue. Given how closely the “quality” is related to the answer, it’s very nearly a hookworm.

  10. Don’t get your hint Rupert but I was wondering if 8D is an example of itself.

  11. 8D: Rupert, I mean I have the answer, get ‘bum showing’ but not the rest.
    @ Ray, don’t understand your breakdown either.
    Having more trouble with the hints! : )

  12. Gayle – 8D – it is as you say an example in itself. “rhyme” = defn. And it is the “Quality evident in fine-style”.

  13. I found 18D the most difficult and the least fun, especially as I didn’t know the phrase. Had to guess and look it up. The ‘overtaking’ was a newie too. And thought the nice occupants might have been frogs.

  14. Missing the other early birds this morning. School holidays for some, and hope Arthur’s well.

  15. Looking for a novelist in 1A. Is there some significance to the comma: 1. 1. , 5? Is he/she someone well-known?

  16. Thanks for concern, Gayle. Been having some health problems, had a pharmacist here yesterday reviewing my meds. BP varies quite a bit. Heaven sounds wonderfully attractive, but Margaret needs me here.

  17. Morning Arthur. No, the punctuation is just Letter. Letter. 5 letters. Never heard of the novelist and it wouldn’t matter … DA could have made him/her up. I only got the answer with cross letters and found it was there in front of me all the time. Bottled is a container indicator. LPG just wouldn’t fit!

  18. More like a container you can’t see into. Come to think of it that’s good, like a gas cylinder.

  19. Have to abandon till this afternoon, only a dozen in, its hurting my head trying to think. Check back later.

  20. Gayle, you found 18D hardest: I think you mean 18A and, if so, I agree. With the cross letters, there could only be one answer.

    I really liked 20A and 24A. I think that Arthur may struggle with 11A but the answer is from my generation…

  21. I had never heard of 18A either and only got 6D after trawling through the dictionary for words with the first and third letters that I had. Last in was 4D.
    11A stitches up ‘the kimono’ which may help Arthur.
    I liked 24A too Gayle. I always enjoy a Spoonerism.

  22. got about a third of it out before coming here, much better than I’ve been doing lately. picked up a couple more from above hints, will plod on

  23. Hi to all and thank you for your hints and clues – this is my first entry although I have read through your posts for some time.
    Today I finished in good time – must be those school holidays!
    I hope ny suggestions are helpful
    1A the novelist has Possession in the clues.
    3D these people would be against places like Rome, Paris and London

  24. Best wishes, Arthur, and re 1A I’d guess you’d know of her. C20th, equally well-known sister.

    Mixed bag this week. 5A, 18A and 6D all new to me, but that’s no cause for complaint. But “served by” in 3D as a sequencing indicator is no good, and I agree with others about 4D. 8D would have been OK to me as an &lit if it had carried an exclamation mark. Like others, I loved 24A.

    Lastly, can someone please parse 13A for me?

  25. nn:

    re 9a, blue in an Australian slang sense is reversed within the answer.

    3d: separate it into letters 1-5, 6, 7-10 and 11-15 and look for those in the clue. The “served by”, as I complained earlier, seems to be indicating the sequence of them in pairs. If that makes sense.

  26. AG: the definition in 13A is the last word. The German word for a ‘joiner’ is not in ‘underneath’ which is then ‘rolled’ to give the required 7 letter word.

  27. Thanks AG, was trying to fit more than 3 letters into the blue, didn’t see the meagre part of the clue. 3d makes sense now, agree with you on the served by, makes for good surface I suppose , but doesn’t really make sense in the wordplay.
    12a and d causing me grief, in turn making first word of 18a impossible to get as I only have one cross letter. Can guess the second word, but if the rest of you have never heard of it, I don’t have much hope.
    top right corner has lots of blanks too, no idea on 8d despite all your hints

  28. I believe the def for 8D is ‘quality’ rather than rhyme. In the sense of a trait, rather than a value.

  29. Google translate gives me a rather long word for joiner. I think he is taking it a bit too far with the foreign languages.

  30. Ah that sort of joiner. Hasn’t helped me roll the remaining to give a word that makes any sense though

  31. rolled out, no luck, maybe I still have the wrong joiner. Was thinking a three letter English word and three letter German word that I remove from underneath, then rearrange the remaining letters, or does roll mean something else????

  32. nn – 12D “bear” is a very famous bear ( of lttle brain) who has lost one letter of his name and the spirit is something his author probably imbibed in the evenings. The def is a game not played today cos it’s too wet and it’s school holidays
    12A – swiped as in “stolen” and notice as in “see”

  33. That’s what he means by roll. Take the German joiner away from underneath, scramble the rest.

  34. Ben, have fed the remaining letters through several internet anagram solvers and none gave me a word. I’m assuming I have something wrong here.
    MaryV, does that mean the def in 12a is the first word or the first two of the clue? 12d, I know the bear but can’t fit it into the cross letters I have, nor can I fit a spirit in. I’m wondering if my 15a is wrong as I’m not sure of how my answer fits the wordplay

  35. nn, I suspect you’ve picked the wrong German joiner. Don’t want to give away the answer, so consider the German for the English ‘and’.

  36. That’s the one I was looking at Ben. Google translate gives me a German word with an e in it. I’m guessing that I need one with a u, as the remainder at least gives me a word that fits, but when I type that German word into google, it tells me it means major. Will go with my presumed answer and press on. Thanks for the help.

  37. nn – 12A def is first two words; Joni Mitchell sang about a swinging one, and the bear in 12 D goes up

  38. I had the wrong little-brained bear. I was thinking picnic baskets, not honey. You helped me crack both 12s, MaryV.

  39. nn: it does not have an e in it. It sounds like a gutteral version of ‘and’.
    The definition of 12D is the last two words. The definition of 12A is the first two words.

  40. Thanks Ann and Ben, my knowledge of German appears to be as bad as Google’s!
    Have all out know except 12a,d and 18a (and possibly have wrong answer for 15a)
    Had never heard of 5a, 6d, 8d, which made that corner pretty difficult, but managed to get them via wordplay and wordsearch websites.

  41. 22A: ‘for a tennis star’ going ballistic after end of set. Definition is the first word.
    Hard to give hints for 6D. The definition is a colloquial term for the first word I think. It was the only word I could find in the dictionary with the first and third letters that I had.

  42. Ben 6d, first word is a suburb of Sydney, second word is dope. Def is first three words I think, although I think it applies when the first word is painted green. Down here in Melbourne we grow the real stuff. The homophone of the first word presumably means creative output, but loving an organ might be better.
    22a def is first word, wordplay is an anagram of the next one following the end of set. I’ve never heard of the answer as just these two words, they usually follow a third word. The whole thing is a modern phrase for the first word of the clue, in the same way that the local swimming pool is now called an aquatic recreation centre

  43. Thanks to to you both. I’ve never heard of 6D, I’ve always had real Sydney lawns. My entire eastern bloc is now filled.

  44. Ben – definition for 6D is the first two words. The first word of the answer is an inner west Sydney suburb named after an Australian explorer – I actually live in the municipality.

    22A – the answer is what the definition is called in my inner west Sydney suburb because of the lack of space – stuff is trucked out.

    MaryV – thank you for 1A – the last one I got out and a forehead-smacking moment as I read the book only a few months ago

  45. Looked them up on Ian’s site, had never heard of 18a, should have got 15a, but was fixated on the wrong sort of date.

  46. nn 15A – don’t think calendar for dates; 18A – like others I had not heard the term previously – definition is first two words of clue. Letters 1 – 7 “prepare for fire”, letters 8 and 9 “nice occupants”

  47. Just back from a church luncheon for pensioners, took up almost four hours (games, stories, etc.), but managed to add a couple of answers. Found 1A,decpiphered 4D, a term i’d never heard of in that context. Dipstick yes, this one never. So now have 14, looking now
    above for some clues.
    Mort & Ann, I guessed at 11A, had to check Google to be sure, of course I had never heard of him.

  48. Was silently struggling with sw corner until your Joni Mitchell clue, thanks Mary V.Now, like others stuck on 15a&18a, also17a &d. Enjoyed 20a&21d 2d and 24a.

  49. No! Think I must abandon thios one, too hard by far for me. Go and play pool instead, at least I know what I am doing there. Auf wiedersehen, aloha, sayonara, ciao.

  50. megse, 15A think of date as a food. 17A isn’t a frog – yet. 17D, definition is first three words; suit is a formal one.

  51. Thanks Mort. Had 14d wrong.Love 17d.My cross letters for 15a seem correct but still no joy. All done except for that.

  52. Megse – 15A – double defn. Defn 1 = “Small computer”. Defn 2 = something that “offers ample dates?” (and this answer is more (4,3) rather than (7)).

  53. megse – first cross letter from a “Bear up” (4 letters) that has lost a “ring”. Second cross letter from 4 (2,2 actually I think) letters meaning “others” (Latin I think). Third cross letter from a 4 letter word for a type of “bread”. Fourth cross letter from and anagram of “temping”.
    If you have those hopefully the others will drop from above.

  54. I’m with Arthur, nothing is clicking for me today. I have 1A, 1D and 11A. Even with your help and a drive to Melbourne and back for distraction, I’m just not managing. At least I did have fun discovering asphalt sounds like “ass fault.”

  55. This was a reasonably hard crossword. 13A was a little too convoluted for my liking, although I do understand it. I agree with above comments that the wordplay for 8D leaves something to be desired. As a Sydney person, 6D was a good one.

  56. I rather liked 8D. It includes the definition “rhyme” as part of the clue, being the quality found in “fine-style rhyme”. As they say in RP in England: “men ate dead hen”.

  57. Out of the country for past 2 weeks and next week…but very happy to see Mary V contributing.

  58. Thanks to all. Before reading the above I had just seven answers. Now I’m only missing eight which is a good result for me on a DA puzzle.
    Since no-one has mentioned them I presume 5A and 5D are glaringly obvious but sadly not to me!
    Also what does ‘parse’ mean?
    Regards

  59. Worst one in months for me. Got only about 10 clues myself before coming here and even then still struggled for ages with the hints. Just didn’t click. Not heard of plenty of the words and, even now I have all the answers, I still don’t get several despite reading all the posts here several times:
    3d – can’t work this out. Defn is words 1&2, bread rolls are letters 7-10 then 11-15, 10-across one is presumably letters 1-5 although I don’t really think it fits. Don’t understand where letter 6 comes from, the first reference to “bread” doesn’t seem to be needed, and the overall order seems weird too?
    5d – how do letters 2,3,4 come from “a tourist on vacation”?
    8d – makes no sense to me whatsoever
    Highly unsatisfying day. That said, 24a was brilliant, 10a and 20a were clever and I actually liked 4d too even though some clearly don’t like the definition.

  60. Julian – 3D – I take defn as first 3 words (the first “bread” here meaning “money”). Then I agree the next “bread” = letters 7,8,9,10 and “rolls” = letters 11,12,13,14,15. I read “10-across” as giving letters 1,2,3,4,5. And “one” as giving letter 6.
    5D – “vacation” here has a meaning as in “vacate” or “empty” and is applied to the word “tourist”. So “a tourist on vacation” –> “a t t”.
    8D – this is mentioned a few times above. Maybe the best is Mort’s just above which I have reproduced here:

    Mort | July 4, 2014 at 7:59 pm |
    I rather liked 8D. It includes the definition “rhyme” as part of the clue, being the quality found in “fine-style rhyme”.

  61. GeoffD – 5D – see my entry just above and see if that helps. Those are letter 2,3,4. “seafood” gives a synonym for letter 1,5,6,7. “cut” = container. Defn = 1st word.
    5A – Defn = last 2 words. “Distribute” = anagrind. “fuel” equals fodder to give letters 1,2,3,4. “volume” = letters 5,6 (a volume abbreviation). “a” = letter 7.

  62. Gave up yesterday still ten short, but sitting sat breakfast this morning solved seven more, so, still waiting for Saturday paper, I’m a bit happier than I was yesterday.

  63. Look at that – several of my lightly pencilled in answers were right. I really need more confidence with these. I was very unsure about 17D since we’d had the same answer in a puzzle on Wednesday and I figured that couldn’t happen.

  64. Ray, thanks for the explanations. Seeing them now I should have got 5A, but 5D is one of the many clues (not only DA’s) where I failed to even identify the definition.
    As ever with DA several expressions I’d never heard before (eg palmtop, chop logic).
    Thanks again

  65. Just finished on the train to Newcastle. I needed help from here to get beyond the five I had from the trip to SYD. Thanks as always.
    6d -the Italians concreted their yards- so it’s the lawn they have in the suburb they settled. I’ve always laughed at that.
    19d The indigenous lobbyist contains a three letter racist reference that threw me because I didn’t think DA would use that ….
    11a I was only watching Norman Gunston’s interview of him on Friday. Funnybut not as funny as when he did Sally Struthers !
    I still haven’t got 1a

  66. A bit of trivia that I found; always wondered why the blue!

    Richard Branson says in his 2012 autobiography, Like A Virgin: Secrets They Won’t Teach You at Business School:

    In the 1850s, a large influx of immigrants arrived in Australia, hoping to make their fortunes in the gold fields. The Irish, many of whom were redheads, soon gained a reputation as hard drinkers and fighters. A fight, in local slang, was a ‘blue’. When a redheaded Irishman passed by, people would say, ‘There goes a blue’, and to this day, Australians often give their redheaded friends the nickname ‘Bluey’ while ‘blue’ is the general equivalent to ‘pal’, ‘mate’ or ‘buddy’.

    In 2000, when we were preparing to launch the airline in Australia, an Australian chef on Necker said to me ‘Why not call it Virgin Blue?’. He suggested that Aussies would connect our upstart nature and the traditional red logo with the name Virgin Blue. To highlight the play on words, we painted the planes a bold red.

  67. Hi Jupiter, DA hasn’t used a slur. There’s an extra letter at the start which makes it the name of a famous Australian who fought for his land. Think 1992 : )

  68. Lauren, I know – but until I twigged to the lobbyist, I couldn’t write in the answer !

  69. @Warren I didn’t do DH myself, what was wrong with it? Maybe you can give some examples?

  70. @Crypticrochet by coincidence tonight I was watching QI and Stephen Fry quoted the old comedy line of “She was only a roadmender’s daughter, but she knew how to get her asphalt.”

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