Post-Christmas Confusion for the DA, 27th of December, 2013

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90 thoughts on “Post-Christmas Confusion for the DA, 27th of December, 2013

  1. A heads up to our foreign guests: 22a is uncommon and as far as I can see only in the Macquarie. Oddly enough, a Google search for the word throws up the entry in DA Trippers for the time he used it in 2008 as the fourth hit, so really not common

  2. I am quite certain, DA, that if you had called Mohammad Reza Pahlavi (remember him?) an Arab, he would have called you an ill-educated western clod! I’ve made the point before. Don’t go there again. Apart from 25A, 6D is the only other clue I’ve solved, and with cricket coming up in 15 minutes, don’t look like getting very far, usually have nap during lunch break.

  3. All done except for 21D. I have the container but cannot figure out the contents.

  4. Thanks to Ian on Australian Crossword Club site for the answer and wordplay for 21D. Some of us started who started earlier on last week’s thread had trouble with this. So the definition is before the ellipsis in 20A then.
    @Black Pen the contents are an 18A relating to a roof.

  5. Took forever to get the theme, then all fell in quickly, apart from 21D, which, like Black Pen, I am still pondering. I got 24D/24A from 20D, which I got from the wordplay and all but one of the cross letters. I still don’t get the wordplay for 24D/24A; nor 10A/5D, 15D or 18A (unless it’s just obvious and a bit weak).

    Possibly my lack of insight is explained by having to finish off the trifle this morning before it all curdled.

    DA has used 22A before, otherwise I would never have heard of it. Wikipedia mentions it as (5, 5), homophonic to DA’s version.

  6. Arthur C, Wiki says that currency is also Omani, Yemeni and formerly Tunisian and Moroccan. But I agree with your Pahlavi comment, and Arab is a culture, not a nation.

  7. 24D is a word used by young boys, and possibly some of their parents, in Australia anyway, euphemistically. 24 A is a reversal of ‘grasp’ as in an idea or fact, + the usual for ‘answer’.

  8. I have the Theme, 24d a bit naughty, 22a doesn’t fit. Is there another spelling?

  9. 10/5 is a reversal all the way starting from the bottom of 5D. Both lows are bovine.
    15D is an Aussie band from the 70s. Synonyms for ‘pop’ and ‘in’. Liked that clue. I was looking for a word which meant ‘pop in’.
    18A Think it’s just the obvious.

  10. Gayle – etal – thanks for 24D – I can now (and have to) get answer by wordplay directly, as I disagree with the spelling. Oh well.

  11. Finished all bar 22A quite quickly once we hit on the theme. All we can think of for 22A has an A for the fifth letter, not a Y. Is that what you’re referring to, Rupert?

  12. The spelling that Wikipedia has for the game is (5, 5), with the same first five letters that DA uses, then a 5 letter girls name. My wife calls it angry dog (3, 5), and I call it a more patriotic (7, 8).

  13. BAH! I hate these puzzles where a great number of answers hang on solving one clue. Appears to me 27A holds the answer, but who? English writer whose pen-name suggests he is untruthful? Can’t work out clue at all, so stranded with only four solved. 23D? Can only find three countries with that third letter, only one with an upturn. But taps? Don’t understand.

  14. Arthur, taps may be the two temperatures we all use, heavily abbreviated. Then i agree with others about the spelling for the answer to 22ac.

  15. 27A: 3 letter word for bore (in the sense of carried), reviewed (reversed) followed by the foremost letter of literature.

    Arthur, you’re correct that he’s British, but his parents were Norwegian, hence the un-English (and un-Welsh) name.

  16. Arthur C, for 27A ‘reviewed’ is an anagrind for ‘bore’ followed by the ‘foremost’ of ‘literature’.
    Like Rupert I got the theme after finding the answer to 20D (4 letter fish + 3 letter whopper).
    Thought 7D was clever when I finally worked it out.
    Still unsure of 21D.

  17. can I ask, why do you use the word anagrind,
    instead of anagram…?
    I haven’t seen that word before.

  18. Thanks, Neil and Viking, re the taps. Eventually understood, I’m a bit slow. Also 27A, I was looking at Lamb. Stupid! Now, a playground game? At 84, hard to remember much other than marbles, cricket, skippy for the girls. One I found I’d never heard of, ends with four letters a Cockney might use of Christmas decorations. If correct, can’t see how last four letters are clued.

  19. 22A: It’s a peculiarly Sydney name for a game now considered too rough for unsupervised play. I think you’re on the wrong track with the Cockney – or at least I can’t see it.

  20. 22A – luckily for me that’s exactly how we spelt it at my school, so I had little trouble with this one
    27A – it’s not an anagram, but a simple reversal
    Anagind – it’s short for “anagram indicator” so it refers to the signpost within the clue rather than the anagram per se; in 27A the anagrind is “reviewed”.

    Have been stuck on 21D for over half an hour, not really any closer even with Gayle’s clue upthread.

  21. … actually I’ve just realised I’m not confident of my 20A so I may have the wrong initial letter for 21D …

  22. AndrewT – 21D wordplay. “theme lacking 18-across” gives letters 1,6. “in” = container. “puts 18-across” gives 4 letter synonym for letters 2,3,4,5. Defn from 20D (as indicated by … … is “24-across guest”.

  23. Got 7 answers before coming here and no idea of any of the themed ones. Now have 27a thanks to above hints, but if the rest relies on this I’m in trouble! 24d/a a mystery even though I have a few cross letters

  24. Thanks Ray, I’d just worked out and confirmed 20A, and went back to think more on “24A Guest” and sussed it out. Just came back here to say I don’t need the help any more thanks folks! Nearly 2 hours all up (with interruptions).

    I have to say it is satisfying using the digital SMH version, to have it pop up and confirm your solution!

    I did another crossword on this same theme just recently – was it not a DA? Odd to have two so similar so close to each other, if so. Or was it maybe one of the Guardian ones? I do those between DAs.

  25. All done but 9D. Any help appreciated so I can go out and play Bullrush, the NZ version of the Aussie playground pursuit. Cheers.

  26. 22A is a game that I certainly played at school. I believe that an alternative name for it replaces the final letter with “um” (which, were it Latin, would be the single).

  27. Thanks Barb&Fran. I had surmised the first part of 22d from the wordplay and had a guess at the second part, but couldn’t find it anywhere on google with any sort of spelling that fits (still can’t!) Your hint at least allowed me to know I am on the right track. Never heard of it being called that before, it was British Bulldog in Melbourne.

  28. Barb&Fran – The 9A “news” does not mean intelligence but the plural of “new.” These two letters form Letters 1 and 6. The bulk is the currency (capital) used on the Continent.

  29. Finally found a spelling that fits for 22a, this gave me 20d (although never heard of that fish) which in turn gave me 24a/d (although I don’t get some of the wordplay for this one)

  30. Got most of it now, but still stuck on the following:
    6A, 6D, 7D, 20A and 21D(despite hints above I can’t find a guest fitting the two cross letters that I have.)

  31. Decided to come back during tea interval, suddenly it started to jell. Only six left to solve. Yes, nn, now down to five, but players back on field. Will look in later.

  32. All out now, made it hard for myself by mis-spelling a couple of my answers when I wrote them in.

  33. Anyone using the Gene Wilder film cast list as a source, one character’s surname is spelt slightly differently so you will not get 21 down from it: a cross letter won’t agree!

  34. Stuck on these if anyone can help …

    8/18 d

    14 a

    15 d (I’m sure I’ll kick myself when I discover who)

    22 ac None of those named games ring any bells and Ihave absolutely no clue about this

  35. Gil, 8/18 is what 20D won to get into 24s place.
    22D Taps are first two letters (look in your bathroom) That should help with whole answer.

  36. Sorry, Gil, I gave you 23, not 22. 22A first five letters mean “smug”. Next three sound like a rule, last one is a. Whole word is pretty obscure and old-fashioned.

  37. Thanks Mort!

    8 d Once I’d read your first response I remembered what!
    Having thus found the first letter of 22 across I immediately recalled an expression from somewhere or other & was able to complete it without further prompting.

  38. Andrew T, if you’re still around, are you referring to an SMH digital version app? I have the digital version for PC but don’t have any other device. Haven’t noticed any way of finding the solution until Saturday.

  39. Have filled in all except letters 2, 4, 6 of 21 down. Despite Ray’s explanation above, I can’t see the answer for this one. Fairly sure my acrosses are OK. Don’t understand clues for 15D and 17D, but fairly sure my answers are correct.

  40. Arthur. 21D is a character in the theme. If you remove 18A from the word “theme”, you are left with letters 1 and 2 of the answer. The last four letters are another word for 18A – think roofs…

  41. Sorry Arthur. not letters 1 and 2 but first and last. The second part is “in” them

  42. Hopeless this week. I’ve worked out the theme, but it helps me hardly at all, as I am familiar with neither the book nor the film. Have most of the lower half and a few up top, but I feel like leaving it at that.

  43. Dave R, I haven’t even worked out the theme despite hints!
    I’d welcome help with 2d (does show pointless give 1st 2 letters? what is the def?), 3d (double def?), 7d (does Christmas vacation give 1st & last letters?), 17d (does worry give 1st 4 letters?) and 20a.

  44. sb re 2d, yes show pointless gives the first two letters
    3d def is first word. letters 1-4 are clued by the answer to 1a, letter 5 is given by the last word in the clue
    7d yes, christmas vacation gives first and last letters, rest of it is given by faculty (think university).
    17d worry doesn’t give the first four letters. I think it is an anagrind for letters 4-7, fodder is the two words after worry. Rest of it is smart (letters 1,2,3 and 8) article (letter 9). Def is last four words of the clue.
    20a def is last two words. Letters 2 and 3 are given by ends in igniting (perhaps ends of igniting would be more accurate). The rest of it is a type of mark, not sure what the galley has to do with it.

  45. Dave R if you are still there, look up the book/film in wikipedia and scroll through the list of characters. The guests in the clues are all characters. I got most of them just by working out which ones fit then trying to sort out the wordplays.

  46. Me too Dave R. Nearly gave it away. I’m guessing that DA might have enjoyed cluing words that are well defended against google and online solving applications, esp 10/5, 4/24 and 21D.
    I got the theme from 20D and 24D.
    sb. 2 D yes. My best attempt at explaining the def is ‘clause’ and the words following. Or how you would describe linguistically ‘clause’ and the answer for 7D,
    3D Def is first word, as in intended. Synonym (but not very close one I think) for 1A + T for true.
    7D yes
    17D Don’t know why ‘worry’. To me it’s superfluous except that ‘is’ and ‘on’ are not in the order stated and/or for the surface reading and then it’s a bit clunky. Maaybe I’ve missing something there.
    20A old-fashioned word for a smoke. The galley mark is one used in editing, containing the ends of ‘igniting’.

  47. sb have you got 27’A? He’s the author of the book nn refers to.Made into movies.
    ‘bore’ as in the sense of gave birth to a child, past tense, reversed, plus first letter of literature.

  48. Thanks Gayle, following your hints I looked up “galley mark” and now it makes sense. Hadn’t heard of that meaning of galley before.
    I think you are right about DA making things difficult to look up. Two clues had very unusual spellings and in the case of 22a it was also a very obscure word for anyone who didn’t grow up in Sydney. What made this one even more difficult is that if, like me, you managed to get a bit of an idea from the wordplay, not only is the usual spelling different, but it is usually expressed as two words not one. Getting to the point of being unfair I feel. DA needs to go back to his rules as expressed in his book where, if I remember it correctly, he states that the answers should be gettable. If it wasn’t for the help from above from those who did grow up in Sydney, I’d never have got this one.

  49. sb if you are still stuck on 2d, the answer is something that DA is very dodgy at at times!

  50. O it’s all such fun! nn and Gayle you’ve been a huge help, catapulting me forward at least a few steps. nn for 7d yes I had been thinking university but didn’t come up with it until this minute – ironic, since it’s my field! duh. And yes, I can now see the connection between 2d and 7d but will have to google the word I’m afraid. Gayle I’m ok with 27a but will have to do some googling on that too. Getting there!

  51. Thanks to those who made helpful comments above. I am too much of a DA addict to have given up completely, so, after a good meal, came back and got most of the non-themed answers. I knew about the galleys, having been in that line of work, but was thrown by the spelling of the answer for 20a. Only 6a, 8/18d and 21d to go.

  52. Dave 6a def is first two words of the clue. The answer is the surname of 20d minus a couple of letters (as indicated by “barring event outsiders”)
    8/18d is what 20d needs to get into 11a/4d
    21d is the surname of one of the guests, but there are two spellings depending on which version of the film you look up in wikipedia, you want the most recent one.

  53. sb I’m presuming it is 2d you are still missing. The def is clause for 7d and for once this isn’t dodgy! You have the first two letters, next 3 are given by shock (think hair), last for mean “to refine” as in your skills.

  54. All done now. Had to consult Dr Google for help with the last few. Missed the anagram on 8/18d. Quite a clever hiding of the anagrind.

  55. Thanks nn – yep, I got 2d with your earlier help – and with some googling on the theme everything’s fallen into place. Some very clever wordplays. Looking forward to next Friday. Meanwhile, happy new year to all!

  56. Barb&Fran asked for help with 9D. 8 hours later it has not been answered and it was my last too. The only way I can make sense of it by an analogy with ‘Bat Bailey’s sick duck today split worlds’ (6) where I think I have cheated by using “worlds” to stand for the initial W – as in WHO – twice. My use of duck to stand for the letter “o” is of course OK :-)

  57. Mike – Jack answered Barb&Fran at 1.36, easily missed as he mistyped 9D as 9A. cheers

  58. TEAVEE? TEAVEE?? TEAVEE??? Can I lodge a protest? A foul low blow, I reckon! But I had everything else right, so can’t complain.

  59. Ah, now I see, having just read Mort’s post above. I did look at a list of characters as I was doing the earlier bits of the puzzle, but had forgotten that one. Apologies to DA.

  60. 9D: Thanks Mike, I too have found this opaque. And of course props to Jack for his solution.

  61. Well that was easier than expected. Jumped in the car in Clovelly with only a few anwers in the grid, got the theme and was all done within an hour. Destination is Central Coast so thankfully not too much time left to kill. Now… cheesy FM radio or ear-exploding punk?

  62. I found this to be a very satisfying DA crossword. I got 6D, which then gave me 8D,18D, which in turn gave me the theme in 24D,24A. Like many, I was stuck on 20A, 21D and 22A for quite some time.

  63. Can anyone explain how “theme lacking the edge” gives TE ?? I would have thought it would give HEM!!
    “The ” edge gives TE. “Theme” edge gives TE. What is the ‘lacking’ meaning??

  64. Julie – a word for “edge” is “hem”. If you remove those 3 letters from “t hem e” you are left with “te”.

  65. Anyone – how often has ‘Russian approval’ been used by our friend , rather than the other commoner ones like ‘me’ or ‘I ‘ or ‘world’s best cruciverbalist?

  66. Julie : ) Good question, makes a change, possibly the multilingual Cluetopia effect.

    Egocentric has day off? Unknown.

  67. If any one is still around. How come nobody mentioned 16A? With all our Googling, there does not seem to be any 24A guest with the letters we have. Can’t even work it out from the word play. We have S _ L _ / P _ S.

  68. Unless it is S _ L _ / P _ N. In which case we have an answer, which makes our 9D end differently.

  69. 16A: Your second set of cross letters is the correct one. The 24 guest is the first word only.

    9D: News is multiples of an abbreviation for “new”; offshore capital is a foreign currency; definition is the last sentence.

  70. Hope my partially-filled saved grid hasn’t come up with the link. Can’t tell from my end.
    Happy New Year everyone.

  71. Gayle

    I regularly do the Guardian daily but I gave up on this one as I really don’t like entering words like GNEWBERG and ENFNEW. Whilst I admit that it’s a clever creation, it’s not to my taste, so I did the UK Telegraph instead!

    (Your grid link came up with the empty puzzle)

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