DA Confusion for the 11th of October, 2013

Have your confusions sorted out right about here.

106 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 11th of October, 2013

  1. Put in 1A at 0515, but only two others since. Have Googled list of 25A products, nothing seems to fit. I’m a Microsoft user. With only first and fifth letters of 17D, my wordfinder brings up 226 possibles. No idea what the Tarantino reference means, looked at the Google reference to that movie, again, a fruitless search.

  2. Having finally realised that 16A wasn’t a well-known Arnott biscuit, 17D then made sense. Have five of the themed clues, proceeding slowly. Maybe I don’t exclaim enough!

  3. Could someone please send Rupert a copy of today’s.? I’m away from home. Will try to do so in the remaining free 15 minutes if this network allows but otherwise…

  4. My major problem is that I have no idea about 23D, 11A. Have 25A, but can’t find the other.

  5. Arthur, 23/11 is an anagram of 25A and “then” around a 2 letter word for party. The answer is a not so well known term (at least to me) for not so offensive words

  6. Arthur, I was sure 16A was that well-known biscuit – now you’ve thrown me! 25A = ‘openings’ should give it to you.

  7. Ta, Peter . I think I have solved that one, an expression I was unaware of. Have about 10-12 to go now. Prufrock, think of another letter representing 1,000. Equally tasty!

  8. Could have as few as three to go (8d, 28D, 34A), but have question marks against a few of my answers. 22A? A slang term for a lung disease? Thought 9A the pick of the crop.

  9. Arthur, yes 22A relates to lung disease.

    Look out later today for our regular complaint about the use of ‘handy’ in 19D…

  10. Ray and other geniuses, have 18A but don’t know why. Can you help?
    Otherwise a damn good DA, donchathink?

  11. Barb and Fran, the middle four letters of 18A can also mean clip, as in cut hair or horns.

  12. 9A would have to be in contention for clue of the year.

    All in all, the best DA for weeks.

  13. Thank you Barry. We have learned something new.
    Agree 9A was great fun and what a great idea. Would the site’s moderators think about ‘Clue of The Year’ Award to be given to Mr Astle.
    We could have a poll!

  14. Still bothered by two of my answers. 8D? Shouldn’t that be related to theme? Maybe I have wrong answer, mine is two mixed up ladies. Also, if my ‘sort’ in 28D is correct, how does it relate to clue? I have no idea. Maybe I have both 27A and 28D wrong. Will wait till tomorrow, unless further enlightenment appears here.

  15. Arthur, 28D is a mild 23D-11A of three letters around an abbreviation for a type of nursewhich is ‘uplifted’

  16. Arthur, 8D is another mild themed word which sounds like you’d pronounce the woman’s if you’d been drinking – whici I know you don’t!

  17. Tina, 21A “loud” indicates sounds like a yell. Important is three letter word. Answer is a themed word. There’s also a news website with this name.

    14D Definition is “hides”. First two letters are a film classification. Then remove the doughnuts from a derogatory term for an adult acting like a baby for last three letters

  18. ML, I don’t have hookworm in any way related to my answer in 13A … and I’m pretty sure that my answer is correct.

  19. 21a – first three letters are a homonym for a synonym of yell. letters 5 to 6 are a synonym of ‘important’.
    for 14D, think of the sorts of people that cry like babies, even when they are quite a bit older

  20. Hi Barry… my answer could be good or bad. However I always thought the word itself actually came from the ‘principal points’. Or is that just an urban myth?

  21. ML, I see what you mean although I’ve never thought of that as the etymology. I think that the plural of what is xxx is more likely.

  22. Rupert, in Australia there is a website 21.com which provides 13A, usually of a controversial nature.

  23. 5d brings to mind the old Two Ronnies spoonerism about a lady and an erstwhile Benny Hill straight man, who, in one of those happy coincidences, celebrated his 90th birthday yesterday.

  24. Oh, just got 8D. Not impressed with that clue. All done – 4D was my favourite.

  25. Ahhhhhh! Thanks Barry and ML, was looking at 21A all wrong, 14D went straight in once I had it. Really enjoyed that one, loved 9A and both 5A and 5D tickled my fancy too!

  26. There seems to be a grammatical disconnect between the definition for 2dn and the answer. I don’t think they can be exactly interchanged in a sentence,can they ?

  27. been looking at it for over half an hour and haven’t got a single answer. I think i have the first letter of the Apple clue but that’s about it. Might try again later after I’ve had tea and s couple of drinks

  28. Mr X, yes you’re correct in that they cannot be substituted one-for-one in a sentence, but as they’re both past tense of a verb, maybe that’s how DA justified it. He gets a bit loose with definitions sometimes.

  29. nn, start with 25A. See Prufrock | October 11, 2013 at 7:46 am |
    25A = ‘openings’ should give it to you.

  30. thanks Barry, I’ll have a look after tea, but I think I’ll start with a glass!

  31. I agree on 9ac. Rare to get a laugh from a cryptic clue (in the SMH at least).

  32. Finished (after travelling most of the day without access to this site). Shouldn’t 34a be ‘jerk’ singular if both it and ‘mollify’ are ‘outspoken’? I also loved 9a.

  33. @cryptic-nut: my biggest laugh was when SMH published a letter from a writer calling DA a loveless count. I don’t think they twigged!

  34. Thanks – that is good!
    My milder (appropriate for today) description of DA is wilfully obscure.

  35. Finally! My favourites were 5D and 9A (when I finally got it). Needed lots of hints from above.
    Enjoyed Barb & Fran’n comment, too.

  36. Barb&Fran / cryptic-nut / Ann – consistent with you, I thought today’s DA was a goodun – wth some real corkers and with DA’isms a lot (as some have flagged above).
    But the “letter” Barb&Fran refers to disturbed / disturbs me in a couple of ways. I think it would have been more appropriate (possibly) to refer to DA as a “sinless crane”!

  37. got about a third of them now, thanks to hints above. While I have an idea of the theme I have no idea of the answer to 23/11. Not having 14d or 1a doesn’t help

  38. nn- 14A does help as it completes the “23/11 sentence”.
    For 14D see:
    Barry | October 11, 2013 at 12:06 pm |

    14D Definition is “hides”. First two letters are a film classification. Then remove the doughnuts from a derogatory term for an adult acting like a baby for last three letters

  39. got 14 d now but without 1a I can’t make sense of 23/11
    got 5A and5D now both have me a laugh

    Ray you might have to explain the sinless crane for me.

  40. nn, don’t fret. I had just about finished the whole thing before I managed to get 23/11. It is a phrase that was only vaguely familiar to me. The anagram is easy as per :
    Peter | October 11, 2013 at 7:40 am |
    Arthur, 23/11 is an anagram of 25A and “then” around a 2 letter word for party. The answer is a not so well known term (at least to me) for not so offensive words

  41. nn – 1A – defn = 1st word. “audited” = homophone of “retailer”.
    Re “sinless crane” – no – until to encrypt “loveless count” as referred to Barb&Fran. And then I hope it is obvious.

  42. 21 Loud is not a very good homophone indicator. My Chambers Dictionary has no definitions which could possibly convey that meaning. “Aloud” yes but not loud by itself. Better wording would be “One heard a yell important to 23/11.”
    Barry (9:15) I wasn’t going to, and as you have mentioned it, I won’t.

  43. i got the loveless count I remember seeing it in the paper at the time. but no idea what your sinless thing means

  44. nn, something like one in 144 shops could be classified as the retailers in 1A. But then most statistics are made up by people like me…

  45. am about ready to chuck this one in. tip left corner still almost completely blank. very hard to get some of the theme when they aren’t real words.

  46. nn, they are all real words. 8D stretches the boundaries a bit but the rest should be familiar, if not that common or in everyday parlance.

  47. nn – I don’t really know how / where to help. Let’s see if 3D triggers something.
    The answer is “Nearly (a) 23/11”. So what 5 letter word that fits the “theme” that is “nearly” (ie: 1 letter short to give the 4 letter answer) would also mean “Get outa here?”.

    And for 9A think of what may be commonly called “Spot” and then if “less” would be a “23/11”.

    Hope helps.

  48. thanks for the 1a hint Barry. I am jealous of your ability almost green with envy.
    Four to go now including 9a. I hope that one is worth the wait.

  49. have 1,2 and 3 down now but don’t get the wordplay of any of them, which probably explains why that section gave me so much trouble. only 9a to go

  50. nn: 9A can be thought of as two words. ‘Spot’ (the name of a children’s book character) gives letters 1-3, while ‘less’ gives letters 4-7.

  51. Thanks Anne, I worked it out once I got the remaining down clues, but the moderator got to me.

  52. I give up, you win moderator. For whatever I said, I offer my most humble apologies.

  53. Stuck on lots of clues but got the “sinless crane”: remove a three-letter synonym of “sin” (verb) from a seven-letter word for “crane” and you have the four-letter answer describing what someone thought DA was! Open the door, Richard!

  54. The following remain …
    1 10 19 26 34 across
    1 2 3 4 6 8 19 24 28 29 down

    Wow that’s a lot of ground to cover!

  55. Just had a series of eureka moments
    list reduced to …
    1 & 34 across
    1 2 3 4 & 28 down

  56. Gil
    1a homophone for a seller of foodstuffs (word seems a bit slang to me – don’t really like it)
    34a no idea either

    1&2d I have put words in here but don’t get the wordplay so can’t really help
    3d 5 letter word fitting the theme (think guns). Then drop the last letter.
    4d. This is my favourite so far. Defn is 1st word (not a person). Letter 1,2,3,6 are one bad smell. Letter 4&5 are another.
    28d. No idea either.

    This one just doesn’t connect with me. I’ve been battling for hours, only got about 8 answers before coming here but even going through the hints here didn’t help much for a long time.
    Have finally made some progress but am still missing almost all the bottom right corner (20d, 24d, 28d, 27a, 34a).

  57. I’m afraid that this one bamboozled my wife and me – answered only 8. Didn’t get time to look at the hints here. Now that today’s paper has arrived it will be hard not to look at the answers.

  58. Enjoyed this week’s ..interesting theme and fun clues. I must have led a sheltered life because I don’t get 5D, even with Ian’s explanation on crosswordclub and Geoff’s Two Ronnies hint above.
    Liked 9A, 19D, 1D, 18A, 21A, 7d. Agree with MrX on 2D syntax, and Dave R on 34A. Liked the def in 34A when I got it, but the sing/plural mistake held me up for a while.

  59. Mr X, as I read 2 the wordplay is a homophone for a word meaning scam with the first letter removed. Again, if I am correct the first letter does not equate to H 1e “first-hand” but to R.
    Rh = right hand. Lh=Left hand. Let me know if I’m barking up the wrong eucalypt.

  60. Gayle, re 5D, I guessed the correct saint from the clue and cross-letters, but took ages to work out how the clue worked. To my ear, it’s another of David’s Dodgy Homophones (A DDH, we may say!) I certainly pronounce the O in the word as an O and not as ER.

  61. This one, like last week, is a nightmare. Only managed about 4 without help. Despite above, still missing 23d/11a, 24d/31a, 5a 33a and 34a; 1d, 2d, 5d, 17d (but guessing anagram) and 28d. Very frustrating! Hints welcome.

  62. sb, it’s probably okay to give spoilers now. 23D/11A is an anagram if imac, then and do (meaning party). The answer is MINCED OATH – a term meaning a less offensive swear-word. Most of the other answers you are missing follow this theme.
    5A is an exception. It is made up of a four-letter word for crazy, around a shortened word describing the shape of a Frisbee. The answer describes a type of colonists; they certainly wouldn’t be out in Melbourne today with the rain and low temperature.

    Hope this helps…

  63. Thanks Barry. That helped heaps. Never head of 23d/11a. Now what about 1d and 29d? What kind of local eccentric, for example?

  64. sb, 29D definition is “cheers” – think northern European. Made up of a word for hair (up-wards) missing its middle letter.

    1D letters 1-3 are a derogatory term for an eccentric (rejected, ie backwards) 4-5 are two-letter abbreviation of a local, not a pub but a person, again backward. Last three letters are an abbreviation of “assurances”. The whole word is one that sounds like it may have been used in the Adam West Batman series in the ’60s.

  65. Done! Although 1d (if I have it right) isn’t one I’ve heard of. That was like pulling teeth! I enjoyed it all the same.
    Well Barry, looks as though it’s just you and me now – so that’s it till next week. Thanks again.

  66. Unlike all you very clever people, hubby & I don’t get time to look at DA until Saturday evenings, so are way behind you. Very proud that we managed most of it this week before resorting to this site, but still can’t work out 22A. Any clues?

  67. Debbi, 22A is an anagram of leprous, missing the last letter. It’s usually used as a prefix to describe illnesses. I’m not too sure that it’s a word, nor an illness, in its own right. However, there wasn’t too much discussion about it.

  68. Hi Debbi,
    22a is related to a form of lung disease, I would have thought it was more of a prefix relating to the disease, but perhaps its also a term for one who has it. Its an anagram of most of the word LEPROUS

  69. Re Pleuro. I don’t know what dictionary DA uses but pleuro is not in Chambers (2011 edition) not even as a prefix. The nearest are pleuron and pleurodont. I think you are right Barry, neither a word nor an illness.

  70. FHF, my wife has a small nurse’s dictionary that often comes in handy for crosswords and it lists the following:
    pleuropneumonia, pleuropericarditis, pleuropulmonary, pleuroperitoneal

    All of which pretty gruesome but there’s no listing of pleuro by itself; the closest thing to it is pleura, which is a membrane.

  71. Can someone explain clearly the Sin /crane one from Ray? Whilst on the subject of amusing clues,try this one. Postman lost his sack.

  72. John
    Sinless crane: sin=err. Crane = derrick. Remove the sin from the crane and you get something that 5A may swing…

    Apologies to any ladies …

  73. Barry, seeing you’re so good at polite explanations I”m going to ask for further help with 5D, I get the homophone but what does it mean? Knickerless = going commando?

  74. Gayle, The saint is Nicholas. Going commando (unknown to me before today means not wearing undies), so Nicholas = nicker-less. As I said above, this is not a homophone in my world. I pronounce Nicholas as nick-o-lus, not nick-er-less. See the link below for an explanation of something that would be very uncomfortable for me, and most males, but probably less uncomfortable for female members of the opposite sex. (Yes, I know- don’t write in!) Of course, we mere males have no problem with females “going commando”.

    And on that note, I shall retire to my bed…

  75. Thanks Barry. As I had the wordplay I should have just looked it up myself. Never heard of it.
    I often find something to quibble about with DA’s homophones, although I have to say not for a while, even with his French ones a few weeks back, but I don’t find a problem with Nicholas and knickerless. To me they’re the same. The second and third vowels are identical, ie the weak/unstressed vowel or schwa.

  76. Gayle, re 5d – In the opening lines of one episode of The Two Ronnies, Ronnie Barker announced that, “Tonight we’ll be speaking with a lady who likes Nicholas Parsons, and later, with a parson who likes …” And yes, Nicholas Parsons, Benny Hill’s straight man 40 years ago, is still alive, turning 90 last Thursday, and kicking, still compering the BBC’s Just A Minute.

  77. Even with the answers we still don’t know what 23/11 refers to!! Absolute thickos here!

  78. Yes, Geoff, I learned a lot about Nicholas Parsons thanks to your earlier post trying to get the answer for 5D. Love Just a Minute.

    Pi, Minced oaths are euphemisms or alternatives to swearing, especially to avoid blasphemy as are all of DA’s examples, bar one by my tally, in this week’s crossword.

  79. I’ve never heard of a “minced oath”, and I can’t find it in my dictionaries. Just because someone once coined the phrase, does it mean it’s acceptable to use in a mainstream crossword AND base a theme on it?

  80. Thanks Gayle, explains all. We thought 23/11 referred to some special day in November, not one of the clues. Really slow on the uptake!!

  81. Pi, glad I wasn’t the only one who took ages to realise 23/11 referred to the clue!

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