DA Confusion for the 3rd of May, 2013

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  1. [I posted this in the wrong thread before. Hopefully AS will delete it before it spoils anyone’s enjoyment.]

    I am confused on the wordplay in 12A (what’s the letter being dropped?) and 22D.

    I had to resort to Google for 18A. Apparently there is no brewery called Son Didull, so I had to reparse the clue.

  2. Donna G – 12A – I agree.
    I have all out bar 23D, 25A and 27A.
    Also, assuming right, do not get wordplay for 13A, 13D and 22D

  3. 13A: this would be the third twelfth of a “leap” year
    13D: Four letter word for 12A, losing two “rings”, followed by a word for said

    23D: an Athenian
    25A: think church service
    27A: nothing moving (3, 5); son goes; back.

  4. Rupert – thanks. Would not have got 25A.
    22D – “Crude one fled” gives letters 1,2. “spider, possibly” letters 3,4,5. This bit clever as actually 7 letter spider.

  5. Hard to believe this is by DA. This took less than 15 minutes, usually takes up to an hour. Now I have no excuse for not taking the dog for a walk!

  6. Barry, I could wish I had you brilliance, it takes me hours. So far today, in about an hour or so, I have just nine (or possibly ten). Very uncertain of second word of 11A, have a word but can’t see how it relates to clue. How unusual!

  7. Still ten to get. Lost on first part of 13A, have third letter. Something they used to do with prisoners? Should a non-drinker know 18A?

  8. Arthur, 13A – first four letters can be linked to a stretch and a leap, and yes, they did this to recalcitrant prisoners.

    As you’ve said before, you don’t indulge in the stuff that 18A makes. However they are a very varied company and bought a major Australian food company some years ago.

  9. Thanks, Barry, I realised what male using made, checked with Google, so that one is done. Only eight to go now. As you can tell, I’m a bit slow.

  10. And now just three. East London auditorium. Should I know that? Or should it be easily derived from the clue? Haven’t solved 12 or 15A.

  11. Arthur, 7D is not a place name. Auditorium is a clue to what to listen to. East London = cockney which is another indicator, which appears regularly in crosswords.

  12. Have most of it out (not as quickly as Barry), but still puzzled about the spider in 22d. I am sure it is as clever as Ray and Rupert have indicated, but it’s too clever for me. Haven’t yet got 5d or 17d. Otherwise, yes, fairly easy by DA’s lofty standards.

  13. Dave, the spider in 22D gives the last three letters of the word, as Ray pointed out earlier. Think of a common Australian spider, then imagine it used in a DA crossword as a clue. It’s really very clever.

  14. I think I have 17d now, but don’t understand the last part of the clue.

  15. Dave, re 17D, don’t look at the answer in two parts. The whole word is defined twice by the clue: “Far from choosy” and “Ones out for change”.

  16. Jack, I think 16A is okay: definition is pope. Strip regulars from outre, then a three letter word meaning “bar”.

  17. Thanks Barry, I had missed the definition of “bar” and was trying to work its letters into the answer (as they are in fact all there).

  18. Gosh, all out without recourse to looking at this page nor use of printed or electronic aid
    Hang on I did look that pope up just to check!

    Don’t understand wordplay on 13d though.

  19. Yes, Jack, that did confuse things a little. A similar problem was with 22D where the last three letters of the answer were also in the word “spider”. I’ll bet a lot of people got the answer before trying to work out how to shed three letters from the word.

  20. Jack, Barry:
    16A: I had the same line of reasoning as Jack, thought there was a typo. Got it now, thanks for the help.

    22D: I parsed it exactly like what you said in post [Barry | May 3, 2013 at 4:23 pm]. Didn’t get the second form of wordplay with the last three letters though.

    BTW: how do I parse 27A? I only managed to parse and find the wordplay for the first word (i.e. last three characters in answer).

  21. Yes all I worked way problem a scented body about
    Damn voice input let’s try that again:
    Yes I worked all I were to play problems out from the entries above
    Third time lucky?
    Yes I worked all my words played problems out from the entries above
    Near enough!

  22. Marc, 27A you have three letters for nothing, backwards. The confusion comes if you use “going back” as the indicator, instead of just “back”. That’s because you need the word “going” to match with “son going”, to remove a letter from a word meaning “moving”, which is also backwards.

  23. I’ve clearly lost my touch – struggling with this week too, when most of you seem to be plowing ahead! Only got 6 so far.

  24. Up to 11 now, plus half of 24A I’m not sure about. Not sure on definition for 15A, assuming my “seconds” were correct.

  25. Indy – 24A – defn last 2 words. “vocal” = homophone indicator – and this is of the first to words.
    15A – I think you will have “seconds” as correct – def’n is first 2 words. And if right, answer will connect with the first word’s meaning.

  26. No closer thanks Barry. Will look at answers tomorrow morning. Having got within three is fairly satisfying, new is coming on, then AFL for a while, bed by ca 2030. Back next week.

  27. Liked lots of clues this week, like 1A, 5A, 12A, 15A, 10A,13D, but maybe I’m simple-minded.
    Still don’t get13A. (More) Tips please?
    Shame that 24A was not a slow waltz. Tripped me up for ages.
    Unless I don’t get it, isn’t 17D not really a double def in the sense that both defs are meant to be something different?

  28. nearly two hours and now have five left, all on the left side. Lots of wordplays I don’t get and some pretty loose definitions (or maybe I don’t understand them either!). Will press on.

  29. Gayle if I had the answer for 17d, I might be able to express an opinion!
    13a I got thanks to Arthur’s hint. I’m presuming Railroad is the def, although it is pretty loose. I can see other bits of the wordplay in it but the whole thing doesn’t really make sense to me.

  30. Gayle, re 13A: definition is railroad, and as Arthur mentioned earlier, they did this to recalcitrant prisoners. First four letters are a type of stretch (for you fitness fanatics) or a type of children’s game when combined with “leap”. Last part of word is something in a year.

  31. Yeah, railroad is the def.
    17D, I know you’ve moved on from this, being def oriented, as you said in an earlier post, but ‘bet’ is the def. Letters 1,2 is a synonym for 12a (have you got that? minus the rings). Said is the rest.

  32. Gayle, 17D is a double definition meaning people who are “out for change” as well as those who are far from choosy, as in 17D can’t be … . They are a blight on the streets of most large cities.

  33. Thanks Barry. I read those posts. But as a non fitness fanatic I don’t get the stretch. I must be really obtuse, but I might need being hit over the head with this.

  34. Gayle, I’m not a fitness freak either but a **** stretch is the same as the childhood game of leap****. Just don’t bend over when I’m in the vicinity!

  35. Barry, I get 17d as said, but think it’s not really a double def, as defined, as I said in earlier post.
    nn as Barry said.

  36. Thanks Barry, that gave me 20A too. Only 3d, 9a and 11a to go. When I’ve got those I’ll try to sort out some of the wordplays.
    I have the answer for 21a from the wordplay, which leaves hazmat as the def, but I can’t see how that is another word for the answer

  37. Barry never heard of ****stretch, but even if I don’t see how cluing an answer with a word which when combined with the answer gives another word actually works. As for the (leap?) year bit??????

  38. nn, 21A, if you have the answer, then it is a type of protective covering that is a material that protects one from a hazard

  39. Wow, all these crossing posts! Husband is fishing. Son is at a concert. Going to bed with the cat who is blissfully unaware. ‘Night Trippers!

  40. Gayle , re 17D. If you have the correct answer then it is a double definition as in 17D can’t be choosers and those people on the street asking for change are also 17D

  41. Barry, I’ve only known of it as a building material. I’ve also only known the word hazmat as an abbreviation for hazardous material, not something that protects from a hazard

  42. Still here, but it’s not ok if both defs mean the same thing, which I think they do.
    But eh? ( as a Queenslander would say)

  43. Gayle, I’m not all that comfortable with 17d either. If the clue had a half decent surface reading I’d forgive it, but it appears a bit lame to me.

  44. Finally got 3d! At least I’d heard of it!
    only 11a to go although I think I have the second half of it.

  45. Well I got about half way before resorting to here for help – not too bad for me.
    I think I now have all the answers. Despite reading all the hints above I am still lost on some of the wordplays though.
    How does 2D work?
    In 13A are the 1st 4 letters meant to be clued by “stretch” alone? Or does the “located in leap” get used for them too? As for the last 5 letters (which are a month if I right) I don’t follow how they get clued either by “year” or by “located in leap year”? Really don’t like this clue, unless I simply haven’t appreciated it yet.
    22d I can get the last 3 letters from the spider hints above but I don’t get the 1st 2 letters coming from “crude one fled”
    And finally 27a despite having the answer I still can’t see the word from which I am meant to get rid of son and write backwards to make up the 1st 4 letters.

  46. nn for 11a definition is 1st two words. A two word term for asleep (or, to be more accurate, where you are when you go to sleep) is letters 1-3 and 9-11. The middle bit makes a “dog” of “tired”.

  47. Julian – 2D – “Grain flipped” gives letters 7,2,1. “across” = container. “meat and potatoes” gives a 5 letter word – “lacking one” reduces it to 4 letters which are letters 3,4,5,6. “sauce” = defn.
    27A – “Nothing” = a 3 letter word for letters 7,6,5. “moving” = a 5 letter word. “son goes” removes the “s” to leave 4 letters – which are letters 4,3,2,1. “back” = reverse (as I have indicated with letter positions. “drug for restless kids” = defn. And more to your question, the 5 letter word is 4,S,3,2,1.
    22D – “crude” gives a 3 letter word with middle letter I. “one fled” removes the I to leave letters 1,2.
    13A – I agree with you.

  48. Thanks Ray. Had seen the letters 7,2,1 bit of 2d but couldn’t make the connection to the 5 letter word for the rest. And not especially familiar with the 5 letter word used for 27A either although I at least now understand how the clue is made up.
    22d – duh, mental blank – hadn’t thought of that type of “crude” !
    Guessing we will have to remain unsatisfied with 13a unless someone else provides a more convincing explanation.

  49. 13A: My reading is that first word is the definition. “stretch” means a period of time, and this would be the third of twelve such periods located in a “leap” year.

  50. Arthur and Barry – “auditorium” in 7d is not a homophone indicator. Generally = definition. Sick of = letters 1,2,3,4. East London is homophone indicator for a synonym of auditorium, which gives letters 5,6,7. Think of a 4-letter word for auditorium, and how an East Londoner would pronounce it.

  51. For 5d, if I’ve got the right PM, don’t understand wordplay for letters 3-6.

  52. sb – 5D – letters 6,5,4,3 is a 4 letter word for “needle” as in annoy and is “up” = reversed

  53. Finally finished after many delays in getting to it and a real struggle in the left hand side. I agree that 17d was a bit dodgy. It seems to me that 13a definition is actually ‘railroad stretch’ but the words could also describe a period of time located in a ‘leap’ year. And for 21a the answer contains asbestos which makes it hazmat.

  54. O and Jonathan, sorry but I don’t know how i could email you a copy.

  55. Have one now – very happy (and I’ll be able to supply the completed grid next week for this site). Thanks!

  56. Sandy if fibrocement contained asbestos, they wouldn’t be allowed to sell it. Even if it did, using hazmat to clue it is pretty dodgy.
    I think 13a must be one of DA’s worst clues of all time. The second part of it is in any year, not just a leap year, I’ve read so many interpretations of stretch located, that I’ve no idea what it means and the surface reading is almost meaningless too.
    21a is just another very dodgy DA definition (no wonder people are complaining about the clues in his quick crosswords if the definitions are anything like this one.
    A pity, as some of the other clues were very good.

  57. Fibrocement (or fibre cement) was made with asbestos for many decades. If you find it in an old building, you need to have it checked before cutting or breaking it. This makes it a hazardous material.
    All versions currently for sale have had the asbestos replaced with other sorts of fibre.

  58. they stopped using asbestos in it about 40 years ago. Even if you accept it as a hazardous material it is still not much of a def, but better than 13a!

  59. For 14d I had b then r then s, so I was looking for out burst not the double def. I be spent too many hours so far.

  60. And 1d I had Taman for rainforest from the clue via google … Made the cross answers hard .

  61. Re: 13A I think DA is just being humorous with his double cryptic definition and his leap year – it’s not a real leap year, just what that stretch would be called by the first four letters.

  62. Except it isn’t even a year it’s a month.
    This one for DA Bullshit unless he can enlighten us with a better explanation of what he was on about.

  63. 13A: I don’t think it’s bullshit. March is a stretch located in a year – between February and April. Frogmarch is a stretch located in a frogyear, or leap year if we’re being cryptic about it.

  64. Ah, I think Rupert’s put 13A as clearly as possible. Although I think it’s still a bit of a ‘stretch’ of the imagination (groan).
    I loved 1A. “stoned” for an insertion in a stone. What a gem!

  65. Arthur C/Barry/Gayle et al.
    15A – Ham as in “Radio”, am I right? (was thinking it was the edible one all along – sigh silly me…)

  66. If that explanation of 13a is the clearest possible, then I still don’t think much of the clue. The surface reading doesn’t do anything for me and the explanation is more of a bizarre twist than a stretch. Unless we are missing something…?

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