DA Confusion for the 19th of April, 2013

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The idea is to have fellow solvers offer hints to any clues you might be having trouble with, so there will be spoilers in the comments, even if the etiquette is to offer hints rather than straight out solutions.

101 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 19th of April, 2013

  1. Slow beginning, as usual, six or seven so far. Nice to find an easy anagram at 17A. But, a question: we appear to have a few anagrams with two word answers. Is there a site anywhere to help sort these out, as in, if I enter letters such as TEAICPKOLD and ask for two words, 6 & 4?

  2. Morning all.
    I have all but 15 A and 15D (though think I have this just can’t rationalise first 5 letters).
    Also do not understand how 4th letter fits is 16A (if I have correct).
    And help on above appreciated. Thanks.

  3. @Ray 15D ‘caught’ = ‘sounds like’. 15A was my last in. It’s tricky, but I won’t give a hint this early in the day.

  4. I’m with you Arthur C . Only have 10 in,all on right side
    and hard work finding those.Think I have 1a but no downs follow easily. Help please.

  5. megse – as a start try 2D. It is an anagram and I think one of if not the cleverest clue for today.

  6. Finally got 15A. If I may be forgiven a hint, don’t waste your time looking at lists of ANZ championship teams or players!

    I thought some clues this week were a bit dodgy. Not wrong, just untidy. In 16A, for example, registered should be next to the first swim, not swimwear. 22 could just be DA’s arts background, but the right words are there in the wrong order.

    I don’t get 1A. I think “ultimately” is doing something DAish, but I can’t see it.

  7. Scientifically speaking you’re right Rupert, but I can find this dictionary definition for 22D: “literary word for muscle”.

  8. Come to a complete halt, only twelve done. Desperate need to solve 1A. I assume anagram of PERSONINT (6, 3) with meaning ‘ultimately’, but am I on right track? No idea. Help needed.

  9. Arthur: your anagram assumption is correct, but the definition is not “ultimately”. As I said above, “ultimately” gives you the T from “sport”.

  10. Thanks Ray, I agree with you about 2d. Now see my 1a was right. Still need10a,11a&1d. Arthur C I think with 1a that fodder and def are linked.

  11. megse: 10A is an anagram; as you need 11 letters you can see what it’s an anagram of.
    11A “Bear” is a verb.
    1D “Yak” is a verb.

  12. Filled in fairly quickly today with a “?” against 15A, 16A and 15D. I finally worked out 15A and 15D and 16A were resolved via comments above.

  13. 10a answer appeared in another Age cryptic earlier in the week. I had not heard it/him called that til then.

  14. Thanks, megse and JD, but still lost on 1A. Looked at that site, JD, couldn’t recognise anyof the options as related to the clue. Can’t relate fodder top it either. Where does the fodder come from. Paint me stupid, I can’t see it. Have nothing at all in NW corner, missing 1, 2, 3, 4, 5D; 1, 9, 11, 15A

  15. Aha! Don’t have a mobile phone, had never heard of what appears to be 4D. Can now look again at 1A.

  16. Arthur C.

    For 4d. First 2 words are def. “Flaw” describes how to approach “Tackle iPod”

  17. Arthur, 1A: the definition is ‘smashing person in sport’, but ‘smashing’ is also doing a second job as an anagram indicator.

  18. Arthur, DA has been very tricky with 1A. The anagrind is also part of the definition. Once you get this, the down clues should come easily.

  19. Of course. Yet I must have missed as I looked through that anagram solver. One down, ewight to go. Thanks, Brendan, JC and Barry.

  20. Arthur C – it’s a tricky one…took me ages… think of the whole of what “smashing person in sport” might mean from unscrambling PERSONINT…

  21. sorry Arthur, i was a bit late there – i see everyone is on it!
    just wanted to say i simply adored 21A – classic DA.

  22. Thanks JC. Arthur C, as JC said 11a,you ‘ought’ to think of bear as a verb. 1d yak as a verb and def, then re read rest of clue. I am still stuck on 10a though I have puzzled over many anagram combinations.

  23. megse, if you know it’s an anagram, there are only 2 words in the clue that can be the fodder – the 2 which between them have 11 letters.

  24. Well, I was sure I had 1a and 9A correct, but am baffled by references to YAK? Still lacking 1D and 3D, 11A and 15A. Will retire from the fray, eyes tired from scanning lists of words. Can’t find any reference to ‘old Rome’. Will wait for tomorrow’s paper. Thanks for trying to help. Closing down now.

  25. Arthur, you’re old enough to remember a hit by The Coasters (I think) – the first three letters of the first word of the title were YAK – that may lead you to the sense of YAK you’re looking for. Don’t give up yet!!

  26. Have to go to feed some oxfam walkers. Maybe brain will improve on return. Thanks JC

  27. A bit of a struggle today, especially right hand side. Some help on 12a would probably lead to progress. Just going shopping, but perhaps you kind people will leave some hints while I am gone.

  28. Sandy, 12A definition is first three words. To say more would give it away, I think

  29. I think I have everything except 23D and 28A. Can anyone give me a hint for either of these.

  30. Ann, 23D ties in with 5D as a place for dandling and also could be expressed by a jaded swimmer. To my mind, it is actually two words when applied to the two definitions but is also an eight-letter word in its own right, although not defined here.

    28A “portion” is the clue. Pilot (think of TV) is the definition.

  31. Oops, sorry Ann, I answered 27A, not 28A.

    28A. It’s a rather vague word and I’m surprised it hasn’t popped up on the forum yet. The definition is first two words. Stone is “discoloured”. Letters 2-5 relate to a 12A. The last four letters may sound like the way some people express a word for “yes” but not where I come from.

  32. Thanks, Barry, and I am familiar with the last four letters of 28A meaning “yes”.

  33. I think today’s DA is one of the easier ones, except for 15A. I am assuming that the netballer refers to someone having a ball on the Internet. Am I close?

  34. Jack, 15A, the answer is not the name of a netballer. The definition is “steady”. Think of another term for people in a de facto relationship. That gives another clue to what to do with the netballer. This clue, to my mind, is one of the classics.

  35. Barry, I had an answer for “steady” hours ago, but I can’t seem to relate it to the rest of the clue.

  36. I have an answer for 15 across
    but don’t get the wordplay – can
    anyone help?

    Flummoxed with 5/23 pair… whoops, penny just dropped! Got it!!!

    OK … word play for 15 across all I need!

  37. Gil and Jack, re 15A, it`s hard to be more explicit without giving it away but I shall try. The answer is a very old-fashioned term. One may also argue that the alternative expression for de facto is similarly old-fashioned but it tells you what to do with the netballer.

  38. Barry I have the old fashioned term
    (almost an anagram for 22 down, one letter different)
    I just can’t relate it to netball/netballer

  39. Gil and Jack – Barry is right about 15A. Hard to describe without giving away. I suspect you have the answer as described above. “netballer” is letters 2,3. And if you do have the answer, what are they doing?

  40. Got all but 6d. Not clear about the word play in 3d, and only got 15a (agree: brilliant) wih help above.

  41. Gil, Think of how your grandmother would describe people in a de facto relationship (three words). Look at some pictures of all seven netball players in a team. One of the netballers is … /… /…

  42. Dave R – 6D – defn 1st word. If you were a drug dealer and knew of a drug bust coming, what would you do?
    3D – defn first 3 words. 4th word gives letters 1,2. “brood nearly” gives letters 3,4,5. “happening” gives letters 6,7.

  43. Sorry Barry, it didn’t help. I already figured the first words were the def. But I have finally got there. All done. Can’t agree with others that it was easier. But do agree that 2d was a corker. So was 21a.

  44. Thanks Barry, Ray and Kate. I have the “steady” and the “de facto,” but my ignorance of all things netball won’t allow my tiny brain to comprehend the significance of letters 2 and 3.

  45. Sandy – 12A – as Barry said defn first 3 words. “not against” gives letters 1,2,3. “German bloke bailing” letters 4,5,6.
    Jack – netballers wear bibs showing their positions. For instance “Goal Defence” = GD. There are others.

  46. Aha! Thanks Ray. I have to admit that I didn’t know about those bibs, so I would never have worked this one out. It seems a shame that a relatively easy crossword for me became unsolvable because of this one clue. In the wash-up, I agree that this answer is a classic.

  47. JC, I came back for a look, had never heard of The Coasters, but Google listed the song you referred to. Google also gave me the lyrics, absolutely meaningless to me, in terms of the clue. Obviously, impossible as it seems to me, either my 1A, starting with ‘T’ or my 9A, starting with ‘G’, must be wrong, but I would have absolutely sworn both are correct. So I’m left with T-G– and absolutely no idea what the answer is. No doubt, when I see the answer tomorrow, I’ll still have no idea how it got to be the answer. Having only four unsolved is good enough for me, not worth wasting more time on. Try again next Friday.

  48. Arthur, split 1D definition of yak into two words. The result gives something worn in old Rome

  49. Jack – thanks for that. I think a good full stop to the latest “forum debate” re “spoilers”. Why should anyone suffer frustration and not be helped to understand after committed effort and not knowing 1 little bit?

    In my case this is almost always why I come here.

    Arthur C – ditto – you have everything correct for 1D. So “Yak” – as described above (verb / song etc) is a defn to a 2 word answer xx yyy. Also, “worn in old Rome” is also a defn to give a 1 word answer of 5 letters (in its plural).

  50. Got it all out without any hints. A first for me!
    Not sure of quite a few wordplays, will read above and hope that helps.

  51. Have read all the above and that has sorted out all but four of them. I have the answers for these but don’t get the wordplay for
    24a. First few words are the def, but can’t make any sense of the rest of it.
    26a ditto
    13d get most of this but can’t see how the first letter is clued, presumably by the last few words in the clue
    And for 15d I get the wordplay but don’t understand the definition. I’ve googled my answer but the two definitions don’t make any sense in terms of the remaining words in the clue.

    Agree with others about some great clues today. Was kicking myself over 1d as I had worked it out right at the start but was a letter short. I finally realised it was plural and then all made sense.

    15a was a killer. Only got the answe from the cross letters as the word is pretty obscure, but nothing compared to the obscurity of the (rather clever) wordplay. Thanks to those above for explaining that one!

  52. Understand 13d now, was misinterpreting the wordplay
    Google to the rescue for 26a explanation of the king Lear reference

  53. nn – 24A – my read – defn as you say. “like” gives letters 1,2. “metal” gives 9,10,11. “carrying” = container. “butter” “conversely” gives 6,7,8. “load” gives 3,4,5. I struggle with this so may have wrong as it does not quite work for me.

    26A – defn = first 3 words. defn = last 7 words as well. So Google it.

    15D – the answer to 12A is as described, but is also another job you can have in 15D. I don’t know if that helped. Another way – 12A can be a both an illegal and legal job.

    13A – you are right. “altogether weird, no end of complaint” gives last 9 letters. “after” = position. “trial” = letters 1,2.

  54. nn, For 24a the butter is non-dairy. For 26a the classic would be on SBS. For 15d think US slang.

  55. Ray, the answer to your question is that I would bribe a cop. I guess that doesn’t help. I can think of a two-word phrase that fits the cross letters, but it makes no sense, certainly nothing to do with negotiation. As for 3d, I think the synonym for ‘happening’ is somewhat far-fetched.

  56. Thanks Ray, all makes sense now except for the butter = those three letters reversed. Is this slang?

  57. Dave R 6d, a more common expression for negotiate would have a 6 letter word starting with T as the first word.

  58. Thanks Ray, but you misunderstood. I had worked it out. All done back then. But thanks anyway.

  59. Enjoyed this week’s. Fell short of 4D which I’d never heard of, but should have got it as it’s a a joke in our family. My bag does it. So the term is by custom male-gendered.
    On the other side of the gender skew, loved 15A. DA has used the netballer reference before. So refreshing not to have to get Rugby clues.
    And DA’s general knowledge never ceases to amaze me. I wonder how many men have even heard of that sort of bra in 21A? Lovely misdirection with ‘sort of’. Fun clue. Was working on an anagram for a transsexual. Although I’m old enough to know the trannie and the solution.
    24A still can’t get the syntax and where the ‘conversely’ should fall.
    16A quibble. Have never heard the answer pronounced that way by linguists, only by non linguists. and the only site I’ve found with that variation was on Wiki. All the dictionaries I looked up gave the correct pronunciation, letters 3 and 4 are from the Greek.
    Dave R, 3D, think that the synonym for ‘happening’ is valid , as an adjective, both from the 60s/70s era.
    6D liked Ian’s hypothesis as to the ‘prelude to rumoured’ on crossword club. Possible triple definition? And Ray’s suggestion above. Does anyone else have thoughts on this?

  60. Immediately after last post yesterday (1858), closed down, saw 1D, which gave me 11A, guessed at 3D, though don’t understand the clue. That left only the netballer. One of that name played for a west Sydney team, the Cobras, another was involved in netball in UK. Asking a bit much, that one. I think using steady as a synonym is wrong, such people come and go, as any pretty girl will tell you.

  61. So 6d was what I had suspected. Still don’t understand the connection with “negotiate”. OK, Gayle, I concede about the end of 3d.

  62. Arthur

    Indeed a 15A did play for the Cobras but that is not the answer to the clue. The word is correct but the definition is its (fairly old) usage meaning someone who could be described as a “steady”, in a relationship sense.

    Look at Kate’s comments on April 19, 2013 at 6:01 pm, plus mine at April 19, 2013 at 5:35 pm and you should be able to work it out.

    Anyway, well done, you got the answer.

  63. Nearly done with a lot of help from above.
    Help please for 20a. That should get me a bit further with remaining 15d and 15a

  64. sb, definition is “space” and the essence of nautical is lost and then turbulent.

  65. Thanks for the link, Ray. I had never come across the phrase before. Is it a North American idiom?

  66. Dave, my background is English and now Australian, and I would use 6D in the sense of sorting out a difference of opinion with someone. We would 6D our differences. I don’t think I’ve been influenced by the USA.

  67. Alandsal, well modesty prevents me …but a passing knowledge of Kurosawa and the Village People together with the definitions should have made these two fairly gettable.

    15A gets my vote for clue of the week, it kept me guessing for quite a while.

  68. OK, all done, but despite all the clues I still don’t get wordplay for 15D, esp the first 5 letters. Am I (yet again) missing the obvious?

  69. LJ, re 15D Caught=sounds like lift in its illegal sense. A few feet, think about three. A legal site for 12A, think of an alternative, legal occupation.

  70. Didn’t have a chance to get into the grid until today. Had to come here for some help on 15a to finish up. Had the right netballer all along! The def threw me. Very clever, DA. Tackling the puzzle today ensured 17a was not too far back in my brain – Ghostbusters was on telly last night!

  71. Barry, 9a has nothing to do with the Village People. I thought it was at first, but the “young man” line is not from the song the clue suggests. The reference here is a famous quote encouraging the colonisation of the North American continent.

  72. KM, I wasn’t referring to YMCA but to the title of the follow-up single that was called Go West.

  73. Thanks once more. I only had seven answers after the weekend. After an hour with your clues there are Still three I haven’t got. 21a, 27a and 25d.

  74. Jupiter – 21A – Double defn – “Sort of bra” and “trannie” where latter is shortened version of “transistor radio”.
    27A – defn = “Pilot”.

  75. “portion” indicates embedded answer in “made butter”.
    25D – double defn – “key” and “hotel bill” – the latter as in you “start a drinks xxx”.

  76. Ray. I did work out wireless immediately after my post. I couldn’t see the other two, so thanks.

  77. Barry, I know the song you were referring to – what I’m saying is that the wordplay in the clue – “advising young man” – doesn’t have anything to do with the Village People’s Go West. The clue refers to the famous quote “Go west, young man” by Horace Greeley.

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