DA Confusion for the 29/30th of June, 2012

Confused? Not surprising!

Here’s where you have your head-scratchers scratched.

84 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 29/30th of June, 2012

  1. 26A got me too, Ian, so looked it up. I think DA might have too. Wiki says in 1976 the honorary rank was conferred, and accepted.
    I found today’s easier than last week, and fairer. Have about 3/4 out so far. SW in first, still a bit stuck on SE and a couple of others.
    Could I have a clue for 15D ? Have letters 1, 5, and 7 but haven’t worked out the def yet.
    Or 19A and 28A?

  2. Gayle
    19A Is a popular dessert for the kids. I don’t want to say too much for fear of spoling it…..Express as in talk, not speed.
    28A I think rampage is overstating things. It’ s more of a personal rampage than a mob riot.
    Had to use a crossword sovler for 15D. Even with the answer, I don’t get the word play

  3. Finally finished. Re6D: facility is definition, swap delicate’s hands. Re15D: 1st four letters is word for fairly abbreviated, 2nd 5 letters is a flower with a final letter inserted.

  4. A slow start today but all done except 26A, 15D, and 18D. Googled aircraft for 18A and found a possibility that fits but don’t get the wordplay; also don’t get the wordplay for 25A or 16D.

  5. Sb,
    25a is ‘start of train’ and a drug that has had a word for ‘wreck’ taken off. 18d
    ‘in seconds’ is an indicator for letter 3-6. They ‘stop’ a word for permit (1-2, 7).
    I am still struggling with 16d, 21d, 24d, 26a and 28a.

  6. Thanks Sandy. Now I get 25a and 18d! Still have to think about 26a, and 15d
    For 16d I think near Newcastle is definition but I don’t get the wordplay.

  7. 16D: Letters 1-4, think of an Asian cocktail, and “drop” superb, last 4 letters “to get”. Def is a place near Newcastle.

  8. Rod and Mike H, thanks for the dessert helping.
    16D was a struggle. I thought it was about dropping ‘superb’ from ‘cocktail’ but it was dropping ‘superb’ from a particular cocktail. Letters 5-8 are clued by ‘to get’ as in to achieve or to score (a job/a role). Def is city near Newcastle NSW where I have family or I would never have got this. Had to google the cocktail.
    26A Adding to Sandy’s tips. All reversed (rejected): 1, fashion, dork/Aussie synonym.

  9. Thanks, Gayle. Thanks, SK. I figured out the name of the town a while ago (being from country NSW myself) but just couldn’t think of the cocktail. Got it now!

  10. Bob, I like it. If only DA could have been so kind.
    Re Mike H’s comment about 15D, I think that the first four letters are clued by ‘fairly short’ as in a synonym for ‘short’, abbreviated. If so, a very clever indicator, I reckon. ie ‘fairly’ as in ‘not quite’. Is that how this is to be read?

  11. Thanks for the above. Just got back from a meeting and finally clicked. For some reason I was thinking of Newcastle England! And I am not that familiar with cocktails.

  12. Finished off this morning, with some help from the lovely people here and a word finder for 15D.

    Could I get wordplay help with 20D and 21D, please?

    I don’t usually like the convoluted clues, but 12D was particularly good.

  13. To Gayle re 15D. I think this works both ways. There’s a 5-letter synonym for short, the first four letters of which are identical to those of a 6-letter synonym for fairly.

  14. Re20: Netherlander minus middle letter plus unit of current.
    Re21: Margin (rim) minus last letter stops (plugs) 3-letter word for queer.

  15. Yep, liked 12D too. Rupert’s comment is very apt. And DA couldn’t have done otherwise or it would be too obvious. Nice to see it as solution rather than wordplay.
    20D a five letter European with middle letter deleted, the remaining three letters are clued by ’empowered’ + ?
    21D . Three letters of a four letter synonym for ‘margin’ inserted in a 3 letter synonym for ‘queer’ as in odd. Def is an Australian tree.

    24 D was interesting. I googled 1554cms and found that as a brand name for the answer, without at the time realising its equivalent. Nice to see that business is into cryptics too. It was a newey on me, but it must have been around for a while.

  16. Only got 4 clues in the first 20 minutes. Felt a bit down – maybe the brain is fading. Took a break then came back to it. Got into the most blissful crossword-solving groove I’ve ever experienced and smashed out most of the rest of this thing in short order.

    However, 1D and 24D proved very elusive. Have them now but the unnecessary addition of ‘2-down’ at the end of 24D threw me. 1554 has four significant figures! That’s no approximation!

    Loved 2D. Excellent misdirection with the runner’s name and punctuation.

    Questions for DAtrippers about wordplay:
    13A: Does ‘backpacking’ mean remove last letter of the previous word?
    6A: Where does the first letter come from? I thought ‘model’ meant T (or the name of a supermodel perhaps).

  17. 9A was innovative. Initially assumed ‘Wild’ was anagrind but it’s not.

    22A – difficult for non-Aussies. I was distracted by ‘The Slap’ for a while. Turns out that that book/TV series has nothing to do with it. Had to think back to the 90s to get the movie referenced.

    6D: Brainstormed on several synonyms for delicate. Had six or seven but none of them fit. (This language has a ridiculous number of synonyms!) Finally got a five-letter one with an L and an R. I rarely think of ‘facility’ in this way.

  18. 16D: 16D last week was also an 8-letter NSW town. Perhaps 16D next week will be CESSNOCK or HOLBROOK? Is this part of a mini-theme over several weeks linked by clue-number, or just a coincidence? At least DA’s not using postcodes like he did with SINGLETON some months ago.

  19. @ipuzzled Re13: In this case “backpacking” means “contains consecutive letters in reverse order”.

  20. It appears DA has moved away from his fixation with a certain European country/language. Are there any local setters who regularly use Australian/Asian/Polynesian languages in their puzzles? It makes sense to me that a cryptic setter in the UK would rely so heavily on French. Similarly it would make sense to me for Australian and New Zealand setters to make more use of regional languages. So much fun to be had with Tok Pisin, Japanese, Malay and Maori for example! All the cross-language pun possibilities! And just like the trend with French, it only needs to be well-known words from those languages.

    Pardon me for getting on this hobby horse again. I’ll get off this topic now, and try to resist the temptation to get back to it in future.

  21. 13A: Thanks Mike H. It appears that I arrived at the correct answer via an erroneous path. Not the first time.

  22. Extraordinary! Is this really a DA crossword? I have it more than half-finished, unusual to get so far by this time onSaturday morning. Still a dozen to get, so maybe some battles to come. But nice to have got so far so quickly. One question, re 11A. The second word? Two possible first four letters, still with the same meaning? So what in the clue defines which beginning is correct?

  23. iPuzzled, not sure about your question re first letter of 6A. Not T this time, but a ‘supermodel’ as definition, not wordplay. Having the first and last letter I went the wrong way looking for Italian cars. Not having 7D didn’t help. Looked for boats in that one! Full of misdirections.

  24. Morning Arthur. 11A beginning of second word, only one option that I can think of. Definition is ‘impassioned’. The rest is a cryptic illustration/ a joke.

  25. Progress. Having secured 5 & 6D, have now corrected second word of 11A. Ten still to go.

  26. Almost there. Unsure about 1D and 24D. What is 1554 cm? Some Imperial unit? Rest all OK. Incredible!

  27. Cannot believe it. Have finished almost half.
    Need help with 15d- even with above clues I’m still stuck.

  28. 24D: Arthur – not an imperial unit, but a whole number of an imperial unit. 1554cm is seventeen yards, but that’s not the answer.

  29. 24D: I think “Hoist seventeen yards” might have been a better clue. Suggests a hard-working sailor or a very large sailing ship. There were some six-masted schooners, and even one or two seven-masted ones.

  30. 11A: Michelle, take a step sideways. If there were a copy of you standing where you’d just been, you’d now be …
    Also, this is what you’ll be when you realise you knew the answer all along.

  31. Ahhh. Mwah Mwah Rupert. I actually had to get up and do it but it worked.
    I was beginning to doubt my 5 & 8d’s. Phew.

  32. Michelle if you go back to read Mike H he gives some good hints for 15d. ‘Dirt aplenty’ is the definition.

  33. Thanks Anne. After going back I now have 26a but still cannot work out 15d even with mikes help

  34. stuck on 26a and 24d despite all hints above. still pondering some wordplays too but have done ok today.

  35. got 26a at last. have a word meaning hoist for 24d but can’t make any sense of the rest of the clue

  36. @nn,
    Re: 24D
    I think it’s a two-step thing.
    First step: Convert 1554 cm to feet, then
    Second step: Explore different ways of expressing the result of the conversion as number and units.
    Hoist is the def.

  37. Are there any anagrams at all in DA’s puzzle this week? I can’t see any. There are containers, double defs, a reverse hidden, a Spoonerism and others, but I cannot see any anagrams at all. Quite a rare thing.

  38. Thanks iPuzzled, I can see it now.
    Hadn’t noticed the absence of anagrams until you pointed it out, although they are usually the first clues I manage to get each week. Despite that I still made a reasonably good start today.
    Some good wordplays this week, but one thing that still eludes me is where the first letter in 6a is supposed to come from in the wordplay. Presumably it is clued by “following” but no indication of how. Or is this another example of one of my pet DA hates whereby you are somehow supposed to assume that it is an abbreviation (although not one in common usage and no indication that we are supposed to abbreviate)?

  39. Michelle re 15D: 1-4 is a five letter word for “short” with the final letter dropped. “Period ending” gives the one letter to be inserted into a four letter bloom. The definition is “dirt aplenty”.

  40. Rupert, your reference to seventeen yards left me still completely baffled. Not to worry, fairly sure the rest, other than 1 & 26D are OK.

  41. Arthur, change it to feet, might help. See iPuzzled’s comment above.
    regarding 1d, just give it a _ _ _ _.

  42. If I have 1d correct (could also be an abbreviated girl’s name), could someone please explain the “tree knot” bit?

  43. @AG,
    Re 1D: This is a double-def clue. One of the meanings of the answer is ‘tree knot’. If you search the Internet looking for images of this thing, you should find some good examples.

    Another meaning of this word is ‘crack’ in the sense of try/attempt.

    I’m not sure how the answer could be the abbreviation of a girl’s name, but there are lots of unusual names out there.

  44. 1D I don’t think I’ve heard of this as meaning a go, try or crack. Whirl, definitely, but not 1D. Must be Australian.

    About half fell into place this week, left hand side mostly but then I ran out of steam.

    2D, 9A and 25A were very good.

    Stuck on some wordplay still; 6A ‘following’ = F?

    17A I have 1-4 as sounding like a word for ‘rob’ or mug, 6-8 as a word for ‘spread’ but the 5th letter? Or am I off the track altogether?

    22A is an old movie for words 1-2 and the current and relentless TV show for 3-4, but why the guy’s name?

    12D ‘frank’ = 1-5? Don’t get the rest at all!

    16D Struggling to see what the ‘superb’ is? That’s if I have the right cocktail. (9 letters, two girls names with an A between them?) Help!

  45. Got it, found the cocktail – it wasn’t margarita was it?!

    By the way nn, I missed earlier that you’d had the same trouble with 6A letter 1!

  46. Robin, 22a – I’m puzzled too. Isn’t Christos Greek, and the film Turkish and not recent? I can’t see any reason for him to be in the clue, can anybody explain?
    Had to look on here to get 1d, and then had to google to find the Australian expression.
    Liked 10a very much, remembering what used to happen regularly in England to the tops of milk-bottles on doorsteps.

  47. I got three quarters out with only google for Christos part of 22a.
    Thanks fellow troopers for the guidance on 15d, 19a, 21d
    I dont get the wordplay for the second part of 12d
    Oh … “to” inside another word which means too much, but I’ve never heard it clearly said that’s what the swingers meant when they applied the adjective to the feline.

  48. Mary, I’ve realised my Googling wasn’t thorough enough last night. Without my 24″ Mac I am on a 2.4″ ipod but I realise that’s a poor excuse. There are at least two movies with the title for words 1 and 2 of 22A. One is exactly what you’d call a “Christos Tsiolkas movie” so 22A is not terribly cryptic after all.

    Also I have sorted out my 17A as I realise there is another, 5 letter word for ‘spread’ which, when ‘topless’ gives you letters 5-8.

    That leaves 12D which Rupert and Gayle called ‘convoluted’ and of course “the F in 6A” so to speak.

  49. Does anyone call crossword solutions at 82.5c per minute ? I’m not going to spend the money to find out how it works !

  50. It’s cheaper to call in a plumber! You’re better off asking your questions here.

  51. Googling seventeen yards, I found some interesting sites – especially on about recovering a P38 lightning from Greenland, some 200 feet down in off the ice. Glacier Girl … I wasn’t on the right course though.

  52. nn and Robin, a footnote on the first letter of 6A.
    f and ff are common in referencing. From the Latin folio, meaning leaf. page 17 f is read as page 17 and the following page.

  53. Thanks Gayle. I’ll get started on my DA Dictionary one day.
    Can you please help with 12D? Just can’t fathom the HETOP at all.

  54. Robin – 12D – TO bores in HEP where hep is “in” (old fashioned variation of HIP)

  55. Thanks, Robin, got the right film now.
    Andrew, I agree with your explanation of the end of 12d – your version actually parses better than the clue itself, which has ‘bore’ instead of ‘bores’. To my mind ‘to bore in’ suggests the ‘to’ is outside not inside. Where exactly does misdirection become 12d?

  56. Well, well, well! I finally saw the significance of the 1554 (.48) cm. I had written that word in already, hadn’t understood the meaning of the clue. For 1D, clues above have settled that. ‘give it a ….’ one doesn’t hear often nowadays. Anyway, all is well, I can face tomorrow’s paper with confidence. thanks all.

  57. Took a long time- nearly finished – but can’t figure the wordplay for 7D – can anyone please explain???

  58. Kathy, 7D was pretty special, in my humble opinion, and in Michelle’s above. Perhaps there could be a quibble on the definition, but there really is no other word to accurately define the solution, I reckon. Loved the the surface and misdirection. I was looking to put something in a barge. ‘Punt’ as in wager = first 3 letters, Scottish word for small letters 4-6, and the final letter of captain.

  59. Thank you, Andrew. Do you know I actually looked up ‘hep’ this morning and found it was the same as ‘hip’ meaning ‘in’ but just didn’t link it to the ‘in’ in the clue! Doh…

  60. Could someone please explain the wordplay for 14a. I must be the only one who can’t see it : (

  61. Once again the mere act of asking a question on this website has enabled me to see the answer.

  62. Got 14 a wordplay at last, immediately after posting of course. Longer – good lord!

  63. Greg, I agree … I’d stared at the clue for 2 hours before posting my question.

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