DA Confusion for 11/12th of May, 2012

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94 thoughts on “DA Confusion for 11/12th of May, 2012

  1. Just got 4D, the last one in, and it’s a corker. I liked 25A and 18A, too.

    Can you clever folks explain the wordplay for 14D, 20D and 24A, please?

  2. 14D crowd is first 4 letters, flake the last 5 letters
    20D weather person
    24A synonym of stray, replace d with t, hunter the defn

    I don’t get 18A

  3. 18A: Double definition: measure of alcohol content and rough copies of a book sent to the author for correction before publishing.

    14D: Aha! Not so much the crowd, but the size of it.
    20D: Could you elaborate, please? Is this an Australian person? (I’m in NZ)
    24A: Thanks. I had stray as the definition.

  4. 24A: A bit dodgy using $500 as a synonym for 500, I think. 1,000 usually translates to M or K, but $1,000 would normally be G.

    I’d be tempted as a setter to use $500 as half a grand, i.e. AGR

  5. 18A Thanks, got the first two words, but the rest is new to me. So was 1D & 21d come to mention it.

    20D, weather is the anagram indicator, binders the defn.

  6. 20D: Aha! (again). Thanks.

    1D: I briefly thought it was going to be writer doubled spirit with first folio, but it’s a different spirit and a different writer.

    21D is beautiful stuff. One of the best things about working from home is having my own (tax deductible) espresso machine.

  7. A little mundane this week. Hoping for a clever theme or some vintage DA humour next week to make up.

  8. Easy one this week. (Easy in the DA meaning of the word.) This is the first one I’ve got out for several weeks. I thought 15D was very clever. Quite misleading, yet really so simple.

  9. Completed but needed above comments to explain 14d aqnd 20d. I liked 4d 15d & 25a. Thought 24a was pretty iffy.

  10. 12A is (I think?) an ethicist, but that leaves me unsure about 12D in light of 18A. Am I on the right track?

  11. For the first time ever, I completed the puzzle without coming to this site. I know it was a little easier than usual, but a sense of achievement nevertheless. and did appreciate explanation of 24a and 14d above. I had them but not the wordplay.
    I really appreciated 23a. Loved the misdirection of 25a. Also thought DA’s trick of running parts of clue together into one word worked well twice this week (to say which clues may be a spoiler). And I thought 15a was neat too.
    Can’t see how the ethicist fitted the word play for 12a at all though, &y.

  12. Db, we weren’t trying to make it obscure, but exploring &y’s wrong answer. Of course the first word is the definition.
    JJ, 10a has a rugby term rapped around ‘I have’ and ‘outer slot’. The definition is ‘cattle’. Does that help?

  13. JS, dispersing indicates an anagram. ‘is’ is elimitated from the fodder. The vocalist is usually heard in December. I’ll leave the est to you.

  14. Found this one easier than many but am struggling with 15D. Any hints gratefully accepted.

  15. 10A: Fine with me. I assumed ‘second row’ was a rugby reference? (Maybe someone could break away from their brunch and prop me up here?)

    Liked 15D (lovely misdirection by running Passport and Grant together). Had me going for a while.
    Got 23A from the wordplay and a bit annoyed by a weak def.
    24A had me for ages. Assumed that a word meaning ‘true’, with a D inside, had to be jumbled (‘Stray’ as anagrind) to make a word meaning hunter.
    4D was a bit naughty – running the def together with an anagrind like that.
    25A was such a gimme that I thought I must have misread it.

  16. @RM
    15D: ‘Grant, maybe’ is the def. ‘Passport’ gives letters 5 and 6. They are wrapped in a kind of ‘tense’ (in the linguistic sense).

    @AD
    24A: The def is ‘true hunter’. Take a word meaning ‘stray’ (not DIVERGE but something similar), take off the D (‘$500’) and replace it with a T (‘true’).

  17. @iPuzzled
    Thanks very much. I see it so clearly now! Just wishing I had clarity over the rest.

  18. Signing in. Haven’t read any of the above at this stage. The top half seemed incredibly simple today, though the vocalist of 12A was new to me. Starting on bottom half now.

  19. Any clues on the wordplay for 22D? I’ve got the rest and think I have the answer for this one but the wordplay is eluding me.

  20. Thanks puzzled, so simple now I see it. Had the right kind of tense but was struggling with the rest. Can put this week’s DA to bed earlier than usual.

  21. 22D: Reverse the order of the words (not the letters) to get a gold bar.

    12A: Are you sure, Arthur? Never had these people come sing on your doorstep at Christmas time?

    10A: Second row is what rugby players wearing #4 and #5 are called in England. Down here they’re called something else.

  22. Rupert, thanks for 22d, I’m guessing that makes the first word the def. A bit weak IMO.
    I have an answer for 10A that fits with Cattle as the def (but could apply to other animals too). Despite all the above I don’t get the wordplay, or do I have the wrong answer?

  23. Re 10A, second rowers and locks are collectively called back rowers, but a lock is not a second rower.This applies to both rugby league and rugby union.
    Considering DA’s self-confessed expertise in the game of rugby I consider this a blunder.

  24. thanks JJ, finally understand 10A now! (even if it is a DA blunder). Rugby not something with which I’m familiar.
    Have an answer for 20a assuming first two words are def, but wordplay escapes me.
    Any hints for 9a?

  25. 10A: @JJ, I’ve never heard #4 & #5 referred to as back rowers. There are players behind them, so it doesn’t make any sense to me to call them that.
    I think this is pretty clearly a play on the different terms for #4 and #5 in Europe (second row) and the Southern hemisphere (lock). It’s the position I play, and I’ve heard it called both.

  26. Rupert, I beg to differ. A lock forward sticks his head between the second rowers and does exactly what its name suggests, i.e., locks the scrum. There is a definite distinction between a lock and a second rower.
    I have played both rugby league and rugby union. As a young strapping lad of 6’4″ and a 100 kg I played in both positions. Unfortunately these days i’ve shrunk an inch and put on 10 kg.

  27. Oh! What a tolc! (backward clot!). My comment at 9.49 above was because I had reversed the vowels in first word of 12A. Have only four or five to go. 12D? Is there a domestic animal connection with first word? 15, 18, 24A (and possibly first word of 23A), and 19D still missing. Is the galley in 18A a ship, or a kitchen?

  28. Arthur 12d, no animals here, first two words are the def.
    Can’t help you with 15, no idea on this one myself
    18 I don’t get the second part of the wordplay, answer is a measure of alchohol content, especially in strong drinks.
    24a is a (female) animal that hunts, see above for wordplay.
    First word of 23a is the name of a controversial musical from the 60s.
    19d short is the def (in relation to payments). Wordplay is a word for haulage (allthough hauling would be more precise) with the first letter missing (fails to start).
    Are you able to help me with 5a, 9a 17a, 14d? (am missing quite a few others but these might give me a bit of a start in those areas)

  29. Think I have now finished, thanks to clue above on 18A. The change of first letter on 24A I’d never have deduced, but I’m sure I have correct answer now. Might complain to DA, puzzle used to keep me occupied for whole weekend. I’ve been shortchanged!

  30. nn, sorry, just read your post above. The writer in 15A has a vacuum in the middle of his exercises.

  31. @JJ: When I was at school, that’s what the lock did, too. However, the common usage now in NZ, and I presume in Australia, too, is to refer to #4 and #5 (with their heads between the props and hooker, one arm round the other and the other arm between the props legs) as locks. #8 is now considered a loose forward, and is no longer referred to as a lock.

  32. two to go (14d and 21d) can’t fit any words to them.
    still lost on some wordplays, 20a, 11a.
    Have an answer for 4d based on wordplay, presume matchbox is def, but doesn’t make any sense to me
    5a am assuming try somehow gives the last 3 letters but I can’t see how.

  33. thanks iPuzzled. don’t think much of that as an anagrind, but that’s DA for you!
    finally got 14d and google taught me a new word in 21d (although wordplay escapes me)

  34. nn for 5A I thought it was a journey on a coach (or another 3 word for coach) pls four letter word for jaunt or journey ie trip. the boobs will then be exposed.

  35. Can anyone explain wordplay in 5d? Judge?.? Chris, sorry re 22d confused def with wordplay

  36. Steve re 5a I have the answer and can see the boobs, I just don’t get how the last 3 letters in the answer relate to the wordplay. Presumably they are indicated by the second word in the clue but I don’t see how.
    JS re 21d if you are right, that would be an indirect anagram? I thought these were at the very least frowned upon. If so, where does fringed come in?
    JS 5d wordplay. A slang word for a judge is a beak. Does this help?

  37. Am still not happy with the def in 22d. If you have (answer) then surely you are a step or two further down the track than “Ordered”

  38. Rupert, I have to admit that my passion is Rugby League where they are still referred to as locks and second rowers. I don’t follow rugby union these days, but in my day they were called locks and second rowers. Just goes to show what a dinosaur I am.

    The term backrower i used earlier is a rugby league thing.

  39. Found this week very easy. No problems with any wordplay or def, except for 21d. I’m reluctant to accuse DA of an indirect anagram. Have a feeling the band may be letters 2, 3 and 4. Or could it be the 60s band, albeit with a rough fringe – i.e. Letters 4 and 5 swapped?

    4d, my second clue solved, came to me in a strange way. Matchbox brought to mind the Captain Matchbox Whoopee Band, in which Jim Conway did wonderful things with an instrument named for its ability to 4d.

  40. nn, re 5a, I have exactly the same problem – I can’t see how ‘try’ gives the last three letters.
    No real quibbles this week, and some lovely clues. I particularly liked 15a and 23a

  41. 5A: Slang phrase “Give it a rip” meaning to attempt something. That’s how I see it, at least.

  42. KM your explanation for 21d makes sense, thanks. I too remember seeing Captain Matchbox, although I think his name is Mick Conway. He did some pretty amazing fire eating at one concert I attended too.
    IPuzzled, you may be right about 5a although I don’t think much of it. While give it a rip might equal try, rip by itself doesn’t. I’ll keep it on my list of this week’s dodgy ones for now

  43. 21D: The band is the middle three letters. Roughly is a common two-letter abbreviation for approximate giving letters 1 & 5.

    22D: In a pub, after it’s your round, you are said to have [1st word] the beers [2nd word].

  44. Note to self, don’t go into anything half locked.
    And am I the only fool who looked up cyesa for 21D

  45. Rupert, 22D But I don’t think you are said to have ordered them AFTER they have been delivered, you are said to have ordered them while you are waiting for them to be delivered.
    Maybe different slang in different pubs to the ones I frequent, but I think DA is stretching it a bit.

  46. nn, I think we’re just quibbling about whether they’ve been paid for. In English pubs, if the drinks have been ordered and paid for for the next round, they’re said to be 22d even if they’ve not been delivered yet. In fact, if slow drinkers lose sight of whose round they’ve got up to, they may have to be reminded in the immortal words ‘You’ve — one –‘

  47. iPuzzled and nn: I too had thought of rip as a tenuous explanation for try, but it IS thin.
    I hope I havent given you a bum steer: I’m reasonably happy with the answer but if I can’t see all the wordplay I get nervous-and I am now, officially, nervous!

  48. Team effort!! Got it out!! Struggled with 24a and 18d. Thought 14d a bit of a stretch. Julia& Helen – yehhhh!!

  49. thanks Mary, as I said, different slang to the pubs I frequent, so I’ll accept that one. Wish DA would keep off some of the slang though.
    AJ thanks don’t remember Tim being in it, but I stand corrected! (Blurred) memories of a Monash uni union night back in the seventies…

  50. Re Captain Matchbox: the brothers were Mick and Jim. Tim was from another set of brothers in another band (Enz). But, AJ, he doesn’t play a mean 4d, he 4ds with the instrument. I suspect you may have the wrong answer and therefore 17a would be wrong too.

  51. @Steve re 5a, I’m pretty sure we both have the right answer, but like you I get nervous when the wordplay doesn’t quite make sense.

  52. Thought this was one of the easier DA’s. Mostly completed by lunch today – while watching my son play AFL. Only have 15a to do. Have the first and third letter and could put a few letters in the middle to make a word but can’t for the life of me make any sense of the clue. Any help would be appreciated.

  53. Oops, I got 4d wrong above. Tim doesn’t have one after all but Mick and Tim do if they sing

  54. Starting late as usual.I agree, I am surprised that I have done most of this one before looking for help.It’s only the Sw corner that has me fixed. No one seems to have paid much attention to 12D and 23 A. I think I have the 2nd work of 23A but can’t get the first word which makes completing 12D. Help anyone please?

  55. Conny 12d, Low blow is the def, wordplay is based on what you get during happy hour at the pub. First word of 23 A is the name of a musical from the 60s. Plug is the def, although it is a bit cryptic and refers to a method of doing the answer, think transplant.

  56. @conny,

    12D: Double def. Hint for one of the defs: During happy hour drinks are less expensive. Not just beers, but spirits in smaller glasses.

    23A: ‘musical’ gives the first word. ‘understudy’ gives the second. ‘Spare part’ could also possibly give you the eleven-letter word.

    Hope this helps.

  57. @RAD, re 15A: An abbreviation for exercises or sport gives letters 1 and 3. ‘Vacuous’ I believe means insert a O in the middle. Writer is the def. He was around in the first half of the 19th century. Famous for a poem that has been made into a movie that will be coming out soon. Famous for some short stories as well.

  58. Thanks, nn and iPuzzled- I can certainly see 23A now but I am still fixed by 12D. I think I must have things wrong in the cross solutions, although they seem to be correct.

  59. Conny, 12d is a double definition. A low blow that also could describe what is available during happy hour.

  60. JJ: Thanks for the explanation of 24a at the top. I would never have seen that :)

    Happily done, now.

  61. AJ, as above, the brothers are Mick (also of the National Junk Band) and Jim Conway (he was also in the Backsliders until stricken with MS). Mick sings, performs magic tricks and tells corny jokes. Jim plays the harmonica. Jim’s now confined to a wheelchair, but played as well as ever when I saw Captain Matchbox last year at Byron Bay. The MS means his body temperature needs occasional controlling, particularly under stage lights, so George Washingmachine was given the job of intermittently pouring a glass of water on Jim’s head.

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