DA Confusion for the 13/14th of April, 2012

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75 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 13/14th of April, 2012

  1. Started off really well, then slowed down after about half the clues were in. Still a few to go over coffee.

    Still chuckling over “Republican”.

  2. Got 1a, 1d, 4d and 15a in the first minute. Looks VERY easy this week. Maybe I spoke to soon. Let’s see…

  3. It is an easy one. Enjoyed 2D because immediately I thought the ‘blower’ was something to do with the White House (!) – but that didn’t explain the (har).

  4. My dad & I were overjoyed last Friday (6Apr12) when with considerable help from yr site we finished our first ever DA! Even I know today’s is easier than usual; I’ve done most of the RHS, but finally succumbed to seeking help from the DA Trippers & no one’s home!! A pointer for say 6D & 13D wd be greatly appreciated. It’s a great site, thank you.
    (I’ve only been a cryptic fanatic for 2 years, but confer with my dad who’s 78 & he’s been doing them for 30 odd years; but he always “threw his cap” at DA – until now!!)

  5. Hi Rach. 13d is a style of springing and relay is the anagram signpost. I also need help for 6d.

  6. I was delighted, when after breakfast, instead of a blank grid and a blanker look, I had half a dozen answers. I knew then that the wind would be taken out of my sails by commentary declaring this week “easy”!
    I’ll get the rest tonight…or never post a comment again….

  7. For too long I was a victim of misdirection in 20A by assuming that “sex-spot” referred to the “g” I had from one of the down clues.

  8. Slowed down towards the end. 18d was the toughest for me. Didn’t know the word but cracked it with the word play.

  9. A PB for me today: 81 minutes.

    And, Rupert, 28A elicited a few roars of laughter from me, too.

  10. I enjoyed a laugh at 28a too. And, though I don’t time it, as it comes in bits through a busy day, I think I am heading for a PB. But I am still struggling with SW corner and DON’T get the wordplay (and therefore the obscure answer) for 18d. Any hints? I have all the cross letters and think I get the wordplay for first three letters.
    Also need help for 22a, 22d, 29a and 27d (for which I have a guess).

  11. 18d: the last four letters are the suspense film
    22a: the bread has roughage
    23d: the synonym is the stew
    29a: can is an old DA trick. Think of it as a noun.
    27d: it’s an illuminated double meaning clue!

  12. Thanks Jonathan,
    I got there in the end, without your clues (which wouldn’t have really helped me anyway, I’m afraid), but with the help of Mr Google. I should have got letters 4&5 of 18d – those books are very important to me. But I am still puzzled about 27d – I worked out which of the two possible words from the cross letters it must be, from your hint. But I still don’t get how the clue works at all.

  13. I think I just got it. Three sheets to the wind is not an expression I am familiar with, but I can get what it might mean, and DA often uses that word for that condition.

  14. Never a good sign when I have to check the answers, and indeed I had four wrong, all stemming for guessing at pandemonic for 14D.

    What are the seals doing in 12A?

  15. Got half of it out in no time – mainly the west side of the grid. Now struggling to finish it – three to go. I sense there are some words here that are uncommon, or unfamiliar to me.
    18D: Is the suspense film a well-known one? Is it a recent one?
    21A: What is the def?
    6D: I have letters 1, 3, 5 and 7 but still struggling.

  16. @iPuzzled:
    21a: definition is first two words.
    6d: it’s quite a new word. You might be dyeing if you do this.

    @Rupert
    I’m guessing SEALS indicates to seal the next two words for another definition?

  17. @Jonathan,
    Thanks for your help.
    21A: Is the final word an antonym of the answer? I have a phrase that means “office devised” that matches, but the wordplay has me in knots.
    6D: I think I’ll give up on this, but thanks for your hints anyway. I’ll learn a new word when I see the answer. The wordplay has stumped me totally, as with 21A.

  18. 6d: did you see my Bob Brown clue earlier? He’s not brown after doing the second syllable of the word…
    21a: 30 mins is half an hour which is inside the operating bit.

  19. @Jonathan,
    I see my problem with 6D – I had 6A wrong! Looks like I’m the dope mentioned in 6A.
    And that 30 minutes in 21A makes sense now.
    Thanks again.

  20. Having abandoned last week’s puzzle after discovering the Wiggles were the theme, I decided to try again. Going fairly well, but puzzled by a few: 26A: a writer’s name?; 6A I just found, had Arabic deity at first. Now bothered with (among others, 6D?). First five letters a tyro? But the last four? Still ten to go. Will keep looking.

  21. Now certain I have first part of 26A, fits clue nicely. But second part? Condemns? Only eight to go, that one would help. I have three, possibly four letters for 18D, but my wordfinder says ‘No words found’ so I presume it isn’t as dictionary word?

  22. @ Arthur C.
    6D – First five letters are certainly colourful, last four get you clean.
    26A – Getting 24D solved the second part of this for me. Outspoken indicates a homophone.

  23. @ Arthur C.
    18D – I was convinced it had something to do with a spinning slitted drum device at first and that led me to the film at the end. It’s a new word for me but that sort of helped me work it out!

  24. Thanks, Jonathan. Yes, I’ve heard that term. Your clue for 26A not helping, feel it is someone I never heard of. And I think I have 18D wrong, I had a word meaning one form of an element, it now looks wrong.

  25. Suddenly, all the squares are full. 18D a word I’d never heard, and including a film of which I’d never heard. But everything else seems to fit. Lunch coming up in ten minutes or so, after that a nap, then some pool.

  26. Made a good start have about half of them including entire NW corner without any help.
    Have an answer for 6d that fits the def and Jonathan’s hints, but can’t make any sense of the wordplay.
    Not sure if I have any chance of getting 18d, wordplay isn’t helping. Ditto 26a, if, as Arthur has suggested, it is a writer’s name.
    Hints for 6a, 2oA and 14d would be a big help at this point

  27. Just got 13d revealing that my 28A was wrong. Had Ass for that, but have just remembered that the Republicans are elephants, the democrats are the donkeys. Had a good chuckle about my answer but now must look for something else that from the above is also very funny.

  28. JD and I are out, the seals had us going for a while, as did the volatile mixture. Surprised no one is questioning the writer, maybe he’s better known in Sydney. Liked 9a, 2d,14d, 16d .
    Jonathon, I admit to thinking Lewinsky first, and I was sure there was a G-spot or nipple involved in 20a .

  29. Hi all, I have two to go (14D and 19A), any help please? Otherwise pretty straight-forward for a DA, and Jonathan I also thought of Lewinsky when I saw 2D, I think he would have had a chuckle when devising that clue.

  30. @BRD never heard of the writer in 26A
    Also 24D am assuming sharpie is a brand name or some such, not heard of it in association with the answer.
    Got 18d from wordfinder and some of the cross letters. Had heard of the word so that helped. Never heard of the film
    12a seals is a bit much!
    Not heard of the expression in 30A, have heard of something similar with a different first word, but has a different meaning.
    Am getting a bit tired of seeing the answer to 27d coming up every few weeks.
    liked 1d, 25a, 28a(once I had the right answer!)
    4D brought back some memories

  31. 26A: The writer is a Sydney based journo and novelist. Associated with the Herald. His name ends with a rare letter (8 pts), which will make 24D easier. In fact his name starts with a relatively rare letter (5 pts) too.
    Once again, a rather city-specific clue. In the last three weeks it’s been Sydney 2, Melbourne 1.

  32. 21A: I’ve been pondering the two-step process in part of this clue.
    Step one: “30 minutes” means half hour.
    Step two: “half hour” means HO.
    Here’s a theory that I’ve been pondering: DA has to make some clues harder, by using a two-step process for example, to compensate for the fact that we are helping each other solve his puzzles. Or maybe just because he’s DA!
    Then again, maybe two-step clues have been around for many years and I’ve never noticed them? Perhaps it’s an English invention that DA has adopted?

  33. 24d does turn out to be a brand name I’ve never heard of before; without the Herald writer I’d have had trouble. Took a while over 12a – seals a new trick to watch out for!

  34. I give up – can’t do the last two (6a and 7d)
    I share the experiences of most on here – the whole LHS gave itself up without a fight, but the RHS bit back. Had to rely heavily on hints here and then Google to get the surname of 26, and also to sort out 24 – a disappointment to find that the sharpies here had nothing to do with mods and rockers, because that’s a bit of Australiana I’m quite proud to have picked up.
    Even with the comments on here, I still don’t see where the definition is in 12.

  35. Mary
    6a think Oz bird
    7d garbage talking is the def, as in to give cheek (or another part of the face)
    12A My first guess was that the def is the last word in the clue, but it is a bit off and didn’t explain the rest of it. From above it appears to be seals go red, seals telling us to join go and red together to get gored which s the def. Don’t think much of that as a synonym either.

  36. Thanks nn – I’d thought of both of those and rejected them!
    On second thoughts now, I do vaguely remember you can use 6 as a word for dope – I was stuck on thinking the dope was the h for heroin. Still can’t see how the rest of the clue parses, though. My reason for rejecting 7 was that it isn’t garbage – it’s usually true, to the point and often witty! I was more kindly disposed to ‘rap’ which I do think of as garbage! But I then couldn’t make it fit the rest of the clue.
    I see where 12 comes from now, but I agree it’s a bad definition – wrong instrument altogether.

  37. Henson Parker,
    I too was disappointed to see comments that this was an easy one! Thought I had generated additional brain cells overnight. Would never have got 18d without Google though.

  38. @Mary,
    My take on 12A:
    The use of ‘perhaps’ indicates that ‘gored’ is a weak synonym/def. (assuming that ‘seals’ serves the purpose of joining ‘go’ and ‘red’ as suggested above.
    ‘seeing’ is a filler word for the sake of the clue’s surface.
    ‘squid defence’ gives three letters that, when reversed (‘coming back’) provide letters 1-3.
    A three-letter word meaning ‘stuffed’ (in the sense of having an elegant sufficiency?) gives letters 4-6.

  39. @Mary 6a, a word for God in one of the major religions. Remove an L (50) and add a G ($1000) at the start.
    Agree with iPuzzled’s take on 12a, but it is not one of his better clues, too messy

  40. @nn O I C! It’s this wretched not-quite-english-not-quite-oz thing again. I still have it fixed in my mind that a grand only means pounds sterling, so the dollar sign doesn’t trigger the same response.
    I still maintain you just can’t be gored by a knife, and inserting a ‘perhaps’ doesn’t make it all right!

  41. Help! Still stuck on 25a and 18d – any further clues anyone? (thanks for all the previous messages which helped me get this far)

  42. @ Debbi:
    25d definition is the first word. No males allowed.
    18d definition is the last bit – use the margins of the zillionaire after the a, the books of the bible, then an old film (one Denton had enough of).

  43. Mary, re 7D I agree “garbage” would be a bad def, but “garbage talking” (“trash talk”) just about works as a def.

    As others did, I found this a two-paced puzzle. The last half was quite tough. A few dodgy clues as usual. Loved 28A (a DA classic) and 1D.

  44. Done. Agree with the two-speed comments. I am the only one who doesn’t get 28a? ie the republican reference, not the throne bit. I’ll slap my forehead but I am keen to know!

  45. I agree that this weeks is an easier one. Although, not being from Sinny, I did have to look up 26a.

    Particularly enjoyed 28a and 20a (and like Geoff I was stuck for a while on an different idea for sex-spot!).

    Thankyou to all who made comments about 12a. It made little sense to me and I agree that it is a messy clue.

    iPuzzled, your comment at | April 14, 2012 at 2:08 pm | caught my interest. Many years ago when I was a young and ignorant cruciverbalist I always imagined an unwritten rule that two step clues were not the done thing. Then I discovered setters like DA and realised that two step clues are necessary for the greater challenge that the DA Trippers are clearly after.

    If you look further at this weeks offering, there are two step clues everywhere, like 6a, find a synonym for God, then wasted $50 of it, or 15a, find a synonym for delayed then scratch it’s bottom. One of my favourites was from 3d, where we had to find a Buddhist notion and then top it, and of course there’s the one you point out at 21a.

    I look forward to the day that DA gives us a three step clue! (or maybe he has already?)

  46. Henson – Republicans remove royalty. If you remove royalty from the clue you will find your answer.

  47. Hi everyone, I am late as usual and as some others have said,I have found some parts reasonably solvable ( for me) while others I can see at all.

    13D I think must be an anagram but then I think the second word must be something that means spring but the first letter isn’t there!
    23A no one seems to have mentioned and I am stuck on it.
    14D really foxes me in spite of the fact that I have quite a few of the cross letters
    22D and 24D also have me stumped.
    I am not a very good DAer

  48. Well, I’ve nutted out 23A and 14D but 13D still baffles me and 22D and 24D seem to be special words that I don’t know?

  49. conny, re 13D, ironically, the second word means just about the opposite of spring! You’re on the right track with anagram, however. You may not have heard of it. It’s a term that first appeared at the Olympics about 40 years ago. And is hardly ever used these days.

    22D was new to me too. The wordplay is straightforward, but ignore “chucked”.

    24D – I was vaguely aware of this word – “registered” is the homophone indicator.

  50. Still struggling with 13d, 17a and 28a despite all the ideas so far. is 17a a lake? Help apprecaited

  51. Thanks RB for your suggestions. I thought that the second word in 13D looked like the opposite of “spring” so it didn’t make sense. I am still battling to make a word out of the rest! If it isn’t ‘spring’ what has the ‘spring’ got to do with it?
    julia: yes 17A is a lake that is getting smaller. Look at A REALLY odd to start with
    28A think about how republicans remove kings and another word for ‘ throne’ of a more colloquial sort.

  52. julia: you’ll probably have to go to Mr Google to look for a sport as mentioned by RB above about 40 years ago.
    if you’ve got the second word it will help. The word ‘relay’ is the anagrind.

  53. Re 13D: The Olympic event is the high jump (hence “spring”) and the answer is the name given to a high-jumping technique seen for the first time in the 1968 Olympics (and used by everybody these days). The first word of the answer is the surname of the 1968 high-jumper who pioneered this new technique.

  54. Thanks RB, knew the wordplay but had not heard of the technique. All done except for 16A which I will leave till tomorrow,s age.

  55. JD, thanks for taking the time to state the (now) obvious! Wood, trees, and so on

  56. I think iPuzzled makes a valid point about the two-step process in 21A (30 minutes -> half hour -> HO). This is different from the other examples cited by mrigeoy in that the instruction (“half”) for how to process the result of the first step (“half hour”) are not contained in the original clue, but in the result of that first step.

    Another unusual trick, already remarked on, was the single-word def “gored” for 12A, which was presented as two words with an instruction to join them together. I can’t decide whether this is innovative or dodgy. I seem to remember DA doing the opposite a few months ago – the def was not even a complete word. It was only part of a word (the first part of the first word in the clue, or the last part of the last word).

    Now for a few others which seemed a bit dodgy to me:
    17A: crack = seam?
    19A: common rise = ‘ill. Not sure in what sense “common” is being used here, but isn’t this dropping of aitches more an English thing (Cockney, Lancashire, Yorkshire) than an Aussie thing?
    14D: with mascot = talismanic? I’d be happy with “of mascot” or “relating to mascot”, but “with mascot” just isn’t quite right to me.

  57. RB I agree with all of this and would lean towards dodgy rather than innovative for 12a. Assume “common” refers to Cockney but I haven’t seen it used in this way before. Grammatically, talismanic for “with Mascot” is just not quire right & disappointing for DA.
    Of all these, the one I minded least was “30 minutes”, possibly because I was onto it straight away and felt clever as a result. (Felt much less clever when I took ages to get the last 4 or 5 clues after a flying start).

  58. RB, I see your point about the differences in 21a, but like JK I had no issue with it at all. The only thing I asked myself was whether it was HO or UR (or the more unlikely and certainly dodgy OU).

    To extend the idea – obviously “15 minutes” could be any of H, O, U or R.
    And, perhaps making it harder, would we accept “180 degrees” for C? (360 degrees being a circle, commonly indicating O which cut in half looks like a C)

  59. Despite the two-stage process, I too thought that “30 minutes” was OK as it was quite straightforward. But I think I’d whinge if DA tried “180 degrees” for C.

  60. Here’s a multi-stage clue:
    A piece of writing paper is an ink-lined plane.
    An inclined plane is a slope up.
    A slow pup is a lazy dog.

    So piece of writing paper = lazy dog.

    Not likely to appear in any cryptic puzzles any time soon, but a bit of fun while we wait for the next DA.

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