DA Confusion for 2nd/3rd March, 2012

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118 thoughts on “DA Confusion for 2nd/3rd March, 2012

  1. A welcome relief from last week. A couple of tough clues but all eminently getable

  2. Reasonable going today.

    Got the whole thing out in 90 minutes, although I had to look up 18D and 26A.

    My queries:

    14A: I don’t know whether “hoist” is a direct synonym. Certainly my dictionary doesn’t offer the definition which forms the first part of the charade.
    29A: I the entirity of an & Lit was supposed to make a coherent clue. Am I missing something in 29A?
    3D: This is more straightforward ignorance. How do we get the first three letters from ‘registers’?
    20D: I take the very first word to be the definition and have answered accordingly. I can derive the answer from the interior of one word contained inside the anagram of two others, but I can’t see where this is clued. Any help?

  3. 14A: I think it’s OK. They’re both synonyms for “lift”.
    29A: It’s not an &lit. The first word is the definition and the rest is the wordplay.
    3D: “Registers” is a homophone indicator.
    20D: It’s two letters for “a male” inside a thing a miner might find.

  4. Lots of fun compared to last week’s devil! I had 8d for ages before I understood the “yellow bachelor” word play. Hilarious!

  5. Some help with 16d would be good. Even with all the letters from 19 22 26 and 29 I can’t work it out.

  6. Rupert, 16 D – I didn’t know it either at first but the two words that make up the answer seemed to fit and a quick google confirmed it.

  7. Slow beginning. Thanks for tip above re the airport. I had forgotten its old name. I started out with just two, used wordfinder for that long anagram. Could someone please remind me what you mean by &lit, I’ve forgotten?

  8. actually found last week’s easier to start (but not easy to finish!)
    Have 5 of them out now plus one more (21D) that I don’t understand the wordplay assuming I have the right answer. Also have 16d thanks to Rupert’s hint, but would never have got it by myself. I had started looking for something that used to be JFK rather than the other way around.
    Wasted a lot of time looking up varieties of rice crop for 10A before the penny dropped!
    Still no idea on 20d despite above hints and a couple of cross letters.
    Only missing the middle letter of 27d and even assuming it has to be a vowel I can’t make any sense of this one.
    The entire left side of my grid is still blank too!

  9. getting somewhere with the lower left side now thanks to working out a couple of the longer ones.
    13/22 fell into place from def and a few cross letters, I get some of the wordplay but not the “Heading to join steady return to beer” part which I presume clues the first 8 letters. One of those convoluted wordplays that drive me nuts I suspect.

  10. nn, 21D “extravagant” ott – ie over the top
    20D think a french saying – the straight clue is very short.
    21D I think the straight clue is somewhat misleading – in any event literally “lasts” should get you the answer

  11. @Peter 21D thanks! 20d I get what you mean by the very short straight clue, but that and the French hint hasn’t helped and I’m presuming the lasts bit refers to 27d but that hasn’t helped either

  12. I have what I think must be the answer to 13, 22a. Someting Jesus may have eaten? Can’t work out much from the clue, except the ‘steady return’, and the ‘veggie’ reference. Think I have right word for 26A, but can’t fathom clue except for ‘shifty lawyer’. Still 15 short, so a long way to go.

  13. Arthur I think you are right about 13/22 I think root vegie is the def.
    As for the wordplay I think the last 5 letters of the second word are clued by “I badly lose” the four before this are clued by “shop” but I have no idea on the rest of it.
    26A Milne is and author, you probably read some of his stuff as a young lad, one of his characters is a stripy fellow and he surrounds (bites) of backwards = back of. First three letters are a synonym for favourite. Took me a while to work this out although I got the answer pretty early.

  14. nn “lasts” as in last letters. 20D think what ore is found in and then insert abbreviated letters for “a male”
    Arthur 13/22 Jesus is not involved just his capital – “steady” is sure returned by a beer shop with I and a term for losing badly (think of an expression of how a team/player lost – Greg Norman was considered to do this often)

  15. Thanks, nn. Yes, I remember the word in 26A from several decades ago. As a teenager (65 years ago), I was a voracious reader, I read a lot of detective type novels. As to A A Milne, never heard of him till kids were introduced to ‘Wind in the willows’. Down to eleven now, NE corner most in need, 1D a bother, is it the name of an elephant, or similar? Can’t fathom clue at all.

  16. thanks Peter, just got 20d before coming back here for a look. Thanks for rest of explanation for the overly convoluted 13/22.
    Just got the yellow bachelor too!
    28A has told me what 27d has to be but I don’t get either the def or the wordplay

  17. Arthur, Wind in the Willows was written by someone else.
    As for NE corner, do you mean NW as that’s where 1D is. I’m having lots of trouble with this too, don’t have a single answer in that area despite having completed most of the rest of it.

  18. Peter, thanks for the lasts explanation, but that presumably makes cake the def???

  19. Looking up the answer to 27D in a thesaurus gives another word that is a synonym of cake, but I think it is a bit of a stretch. DA tends to do this a bit too often for my liking. Word A is the answer, find a synonym of this (word B) then another synonym of word B (Word C). It doesn’t always follow that word C is really a synonym of word A.

  20. nn, yes, cake would appear to be the straight clue. As I mentioned I thought it was a touch misleading.
    Arthur, your on the right track with 1D

  21. I strongly disagree with what seems to be DA’s alignment of ice with ‘broken leg’. My dictionary does not equate the one with the other. But 28A is a word meaning ice cold, and papers refers to last two letters, nn.
    Definitely time for my after-dinner nap. Weather here (Ballarat area) very unpleasant today. CU later.

  22. thanks Arthur, just got 1d from your hint, you are right with this one. letters 3 and 4 are initially may break inside a word for two.

  23. Arthur 28A on ice is the def. First three letters of the answer are the same as 27d, rest of it is as you said. Not sure where you are getting broken from in the clue (although I can see it in the answer). Hope that made sense without giving too much away.

  24. Am thinking that 14d and 17A are both people, in which case I have no hope of getting them out as can’t think of any that fit my cross letters. My knowledge of either category isn’t particularly good

  25. 17A is a person but not 14D.
    14D the philosopher is a homophone (but somewhat obscure). Think campfire activity.
    17A is an anagram for a poet

  26. Thanks Peter.
    Got 14d from your advice, but can’t hear a philosopher in it.
    Have all the cross letters for 17A now. Presume you mean that the answer is an anagram of the poet plus one more letter as indicated in the clue. Am assuming I am looking for a person who is a Latin laureate, but I’ve no idea who he or she is.

  27. Thanks Peter,
    That last hint gave me 14d, which led to 17a and 18d. Almost finished now. Only 19a to go. But I have no idea of word play for 9a and still haven’t got the yellow bachelor.

  28. Ok found my Latin laureate after googling all possible combinations of the missing letters.

  29. Nn, Latin as in from Latin America. I think he was important during Allende’s time and afterwards, but could be wrong.

  30. You are ahead of me Sandy, I don’t even have an answer for 9A yet. That NW corner is giving me lots of grief. As for the yellow bachelor he is a character in a long running children’s show (I think it started in about 1969 and is still going).

  31. Thanks nn. I had never thought of him as a bachelor but more of a boy!
    9a the first two wors are the def. as far as I can see both the first two and the third and fourth could be 1001. But as I say, I don’t get the word play.

  32. That wasn’t very clear. I meant first two WORDS are def. and letters 1&2 could be 1001. So could letters 3&4.

  33. Sandy, not sure I get the word play in 9A. If you google the answer with 1001 you get a computer game – this may be where links comes in (ie a computer link). If anyone has a better explanation I’d be interested to hear.

  34. Anne if I understand you correctly (i.e. are you referring to the second word) I think I might have 5d wrong. I can see a salary in 5d wrapped around three other letters but no idea what they have to do with “each”

  35. thanks Peter, I did have the wrong synonym for my 5d answer, makes a bit more sense now, but doesn’t fit with Anne’s hint above

  36. And that’s given me 9A. Had assumed the second letter of 9A was “i” from the 1001 bit, which lead me astray.

  37. Nn, 1a was the first clue I got. Probably more obvious than you realize. Double definition. Something that is taboo at a party and is also a descriptor for a severe recession.

  38. 3d is a word I had never heard meaning milk. As Rupert said earlier, ‘registers’ is a homophone indicator for ‘want’. Add a type of duck and you have it.

  39. 14a, letters 1-5, according to above discussion, a synonym of a synonym of ‘hoist’ the last three are ‘your’ the old way. It means ‘cloak and dagger’

  40. thanks Sandy, but still don’t get either of those although I understand what the wordplay is trying to say I just can’t fit any words to either of them

  41. Posted before your last two came through Sandy. 4D is very clever!
    14d still no idea

  42. Finally twigged with the 1001 links in 9a! I was thinking it was some sort of wordplay, when it is just a cryptic reference to story of Alladin. Apologies to Ann that I didn’t see what she was getting at.

  43. Nn, 14d is a homophone for a well known contemporary Australian philiosopher, followed by a word for ‘want’ (not the same one as 3d!). ‘Fires’s burning’ could be involved in the custom.

  44. got them all except 3d. can’t even find a word that fits the cross letters, never mind fitting the clue.

  45. thanks Sandy, got the philosopher, wasn’t looking that close to home!
    3d might be easier if I hadn’t put a wrong letter in during my excitement at finally getting 1A.
    will have another look!

  46. First part of 3d could be ‘Endless want’ rather than ‘registers want’

  47. that synonym in 3d isn’t the best either, you could say that women – – – – facial hair, but it doesn’t mean you want it!

  48. Good afternoon.
    Still struggling with 11/23a, 29a, 20d & 24d, despite hints. Any more hints? (not too giveaway please)

  49. Sb, 11/23a is a container clue. Look for an expression meaning wired in the next three words of the clue.

  50. 20d is a French expression often used in cooking that could be a synonym of the first word in the clue. It is made up of ‘one’ + an expression for what a miner might find wrapped around ‘a male’ (just two letters for those two words).

  51. 24d ‘sounded’ is a homonym indicator. Ignore the hyphen. ‘confused’ as an active verb.

  52. 29a, I realize I don’t get the wordplay for that either (help anyone?). But ‘partner’ is the meaning, but usually a strange one!

  53. Sandy, 29a just splits into 3 parts: 3 letters, 4 letters and then the last 2.

  54. Incidentally, going back to earlier doubts about 14a, my dictionary (Chambers English) DOES give the first part of the answer as a direct synonym for hoist, though it lists it as slang.

  55. Thanks Mary. Does “dropped” double up in those first two? Are the first three letters the ‘bottom’ of a synonym of ‘dropped’? Followed by another synonym of another meaning of ‘dropped’? Or am I still missing it?

  56. Back from an hour or so at the pool table – some brilliant shots (quite a few not). Answers flowed, now only 23 A & 24D. Haven’t read all the above, but am running out of ideas to finish these last two.

  57. You won’t have to look far back, Arthur. Just back to sb’s 1.30 post. From there I have given hints on both.

  58. Thanks Sandy.
    Got 20d; the others will come I’m sure. Just have to put it aside for a while.

  59. sb: for the def of 24D, think “that bad clue really confused me” and replace “confused” with a synonym.

  60. Got it! 29a jumped out at me; then 24d. Thanks Dave. Now it’s just 11/23 – first two words are obvious so only 2 letters left – can’t be many options

  61. Thank you for all your clues. Got all but 18d.
    Is lobster a tennis player I never heard of?

  62. sb don’t be alarmed and you’ll get 23
    Julia, no you are after a (scientific) word that describes lobsters, shrimps, prawns etc.

  63. I haven’t yet to an answer for my questions to Mary at 2.39 above. Can anyone help me confirm the wordplay for 29a. I have the answer, and think I may have got the word play. But not sure, as above.

  64. Sandy I’m not sure what you mean by the first three letters being the bottom of a synonym of dropped. I read the first three as a synonym for bottom as in bottom of a river. Next four are clued by dropped, although it is really a synonym of drop rather than dropped, then last two are what you’d say when it hurts,

  65. About two minutes after my last post (3.29), I turned off the ‘puter, looked again at 14, 23A, saw the obvious I had missed before, and Hey Presto!, all finished.

  66. Late start for me today, still have about ten to go.

    One query for 8D: The yellow bachelor, if he is the one I am thinking of, is spelt with an A isn’t he?

  67. Thanks nn. Now I get it!
    Robin, if your yellow bachelor has an a, for is not the one in the clue. Not only was he yellow but he loved his yellow ducky

  68. Oh thank goodness, Sandy! I could not believe DA had made another flub! Of course, – – – – with his rubber ducky!
    It’s been that sort of a day for me; I had BOTTOM-OUT as the ‘party taboo’ for too long today. It made 1D interesting!

  69. Thanks nn for rescuing Sandy on 29a – I’ve been offline for a while.
    Did anyone else laugh out loud when they got 7d? My grand-daughter, who was with me at the time, was also delighted by it when she had it explained to her, and subsequently was chuffed to bits when she saw the ‘beer shop’ bit of the parsing of 13/22 before I did. I think she’s been bitten by the cryptic bug, which is very pleasing..

  70. Late as usual but I’ve most of it done but I am really baffled by the NE corner: 1A, 1D and 2D.
    I’ve got the 1st and 3rd letter of word 2 in 1A but it doesn’t help much. It can be a depression [ or recession] but I can’t find a party taboo in there.
    1D I have the middle letter and I think I have the last letter [ I’ve filled in 11/23 but I don’t follow the word play. So 1D looks like a large plane? I can see a horse in 2D but I can’t see a boot. In spite of some hints from above I’m still stuck here.

  71. Conny, the recession is severe, twice as bad as a normal recession. Wordplay is something you shouldn’t do with your biscuit, cracker etc. for reasons of hygiene.
    1D is like a large plane, but different starting letter, both refer to the same circus animal
    2d The boot is made of sheepskin. You’ve got the horse (last two letters)? The first letter is a type of turn, DA has used it reasonably often in the past.

  72. Conny
    11/23. Look closely at the clue and apply the penultimate word.
    2D. Could also be a car turn followed by a vice regal

  73. Conny 11/23 from what you said I assume you have the answer. First word is the def. Answer is a hidden word, “separate clot” is the containment indicator! (I read this as pull out a lump).

  74. Thanks nn and Squatter. I more or less had those answers but it didn’t seem to clearly come form the clues. Next day I’m feeling more on the alert!

  75. Rupert, you are absolutely right of course!
    Since May last year when I discovered this site I think you have contributed to every DA confusions thread and I have never known you to be wrong!
    It is indeed Ernie who has the Rubber Duckie and he is orange. Well remembered.

  76. 29A I find the apostrophe ‘s’ a bit awkward in this clue. Does anyone else think so too? The answer is singular after all.

    17A Never heard of the guy but knew how DA uses ‘gist’ and so found the 7 letters but it was a difficult one I thought, for me verging on unreasonable.

    6A ‘fellow’ = letters 1-3, that’s OK but ‘making cooler clip’ = 4-5. Presumably ICE with the last letter clipped? Is that it?

  77. DA ‘cheek of the week’ has to be 4D with it’s use of ‘dumping’. A ‘double entendre’ no doubt. Brilliant!

  78. @Robin I’d never heard of 17A either, but worked out what the letters had to be from the wordplay. Once the cross letters were in there were only 6 possible permutations for the others. Then I googled it and found him. I thought it was a pretty clever clue as the guy is a poet, verse and another poet are worked into the anagram. Hard but gettable.

    4D was clever too and gave me a good laugh. Also your cheek pun!

    6A I read ice as a verb as in to ice something is to make it cooler, clipping it removes last letter. Alternatively an icebox is a cooler so making cooler clip could be read as removing letters from the end of icebox, although usually DA only shortens words by one letter in this sort of wordplay.

  79. I read 6A as cooler (noun) = ice (noun). If verb, it would have to be the participle “icing” (to match “making cooler”) and then “clip” would be lopping off the last three letters (not a very satisfactory explanation).

    Re Robin’s apostrophe query in 29A, in the past I’ve seen this sort of apparent mismatch explained by interpreting it as “Partner is”. So the surface indicates the possessive case, but cryptically it’s decoded as “is”.

  80. DA’s never all that fussy about tense, participles etc.
    I’m thinking of “to ice” as “to ice an injury”, meaning to cool it down. Grammar may not be entirely correct (should be to apply ice) but it is a term in common usage. (DA often uses to ice meaning to kill too)

  81. All good thoughts nn and RB, but 29A doesn’t work as ‘Partner is bottom dropped – that’s gotta hurt!’ does it? As you say, nn, never all that fussy!

    All good fun for another week anyway you look at it. I took DS to the beach today (yes, the sun did shine in Sydney) and I finished 16 answers sitting in the sun before it was time to go for a walk. That doesn’t happen for me yet with DA! I might have got two or so only…

  82. @Robin: I should beware of hubris, even by proxy! Nothing can be better guaranteed to make me say something utterly wrong than an assumption of infallibility.

    I agree with RB on 29A. Punctuation is also totally arbitrary – I like to clue possessives as plurals and vice versa if it improves the surface. Likewise on 6A there are many synonyms of cooler that begin with IC (and don’t forget that “clip” can be a homophone indicator, too, so we could be looking for something that sounds like icy), and I don’t think it’s grounds for accusing DA of ignoring tense or participle, which I think would be stretching the rules of the game a little too far.

  83. 29A: Partner [def] is [link] bottom [BED] dropped [FELL] – that’s gotta hurt! [OW].
    Contracting “Partner is” to “Partner’s” improves the surface, but doesn’t change the definition or wordplay. I call it fair.

  84. Yes, all checked out OK. Next Saturday, will celebrate with Mrs C. 56 years of marriage. Is DA married? Don’t know much about him. We are planning a celebration ride on the Goldfields Railway, from Castlemaine to Maldon, in central VIC. So won’t have much time for DA.

  85. My only quibbles with this crossword are that lacteal in medicine is a lymph duct, possibly a milk duct but not “milk”, and artichokes are not root vegetables (are they?).

  86. I think the definition is “with milk” rather than just “milk”, which I think makes the definition fine.

  87. JK – Jerusalem artichokes are not really artichokes (?) I’ve been told. They are indeed root vegetables.

  88. from dictionary
    lac·te·al   [lak-tee-uhl]
    1. pertaining to, consisting of, or resembling milk; milky.

    seems ok to me

  89. Only got the puzzle yesterday. A relief after last week which threw me so much that I choked.
    12D was a bit of a stretch. If it wasn’t for such an obvious anagram indicator I would have struggled.
    26A and 28A were new words for me. Not surprising since there are millions of words in English.
    15A was a nice easy one to start with.
    7D was cute.
    5D kept thinking PALTRY but eventually realised that LTR could never mean each.
    13A was a capital clue.
    25A was fun.
    Hoping for a harder (but not too hard!) one at the end of this week. Thanks to all the DAtrippers who posted.

  90. Wake up, AS! We need a new thread.

    5 to go, all in the SW corner.

    5A and 3D are why I love DA. I liked 1A and 10A, too.

    I don’t see the fool in 9A, and I have the letters INORTT unaccounted for.

  91. Got the band in 21A/24D and the rest just fell into place. 15A/17A was the last one in.

    More like this, please, David.

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