DA Confusion for 10/11th of February, 2012

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95 thoughts on “DA Confusion for 10/11th of February, 2012

  1. Not a good one for me. In my defense I’ve had a rough week with flu on top of another nasty.

    Bring your space bar – DA runs a lot of words together in this one that need to be separated. It’s one of my favourite tricks as a compiler, so it’s fun to be on the other end of it. 15A is genius.

    4D: I don’t have any idea on this one.

    18D: I have always seen this spelled with a K in the middle (leading me down a path of bread = BAKING).
    19A: “In starting late” seems to clue the first three letters, but I don’t see how.
    22A: I was proud of myself for knowing the collective noun for kangaroos, and therefore disappointed when it turns out not to be required by this clue. Is the epithet a common one over there?
    5A: “Sleek” seems superfluous.
    23D: I have something pounded between the timbers of wooden sailing ships as waterproofing, but I can’t get it from the wordplay.
    15D: I nearly ruined my grid by writing in SOMERSAULT, without noticing that (a) that’s not an anagram, and (b) I hadn’t actually written in the R.

  2. Agree with 15A, brilliant def.
    4D sporting slang for nerves
    19A &23D, still trying to nut out wordplay.
    22A. never heard the expression before. The driveway doesn’t go all the way to the garage is the one in vogue up here at the moment.

    Rupert, sorry to here you’ve been crook, have you tried rum and lemon juice

  3. 19A & 23D came to me while i was hanging the washing out. First sunny morning in about a week up here.

    19A first 3 letters, a word for in, put 1st letter last
    23D bunk as in humbug, 1st letter off

  4. Thanks, JJ. I was having a hard time keeping water down for a while, so I wasn’t trying anything stronger. When our kids were babies and they got sick, we’d give them Pedialyte, which is supposed to help keep them hydrated better than water. Now they have a similar product for adults. I haven’t seen the box, maybe my wife threw it out after I told her what it tastes like!

    4D: I’ve heard it in the sense of nerves. Wouldn’t have thought of it as a curse, though.
    23D: I’m surprised DA resisted the temptation to use “Cockney”.

  5. @JJ: Your browser is remembering all the fields on the form when you type in your name. If you just type “J” as your name, “JJ” should show up in a drop down list. Delete that, and you should be able to type in new values that it will remember for next time.

  6. Finished now – I believe I have the correct answer for 11A but not matching the wordplay to the solution. Anyone figured it out?

  7. Oops I think strictly speaking their homophones – I always was a bit homo-phobic!

  8. Thanks Mike H – yes, you seem to have confused your homos there for a minute. When solving cryptics I suspect there’s a need to be homophiliac……
    Just realised there are two words that fit 5a and I don’t have the wordplay sorted for either of them. I’m with Mike H, can someone come to the rescue please?

  9. 5A: Ignore “Sleek”; swimmer = a type of whale; back = reverse the whale; stroke = hit a ball away; roller (defn) = a tumbler.

  10. i think i have 18d wrong – former olympic city in china as i canter figure out 17A now .
    any tips welcome

  11. 18D: You have the country right, but the bread is from a bordering country.

    17A: “surpasses” means placed after. So “hesitation” + “victory”.

  12. The definition in 17A is Rommel, not Rommel victory, which is what I thought at first. I had to look this one.

    18A is, however, the site of a military attack. There are two spellings, which confused Rupert (see first post). I don’t quite understand the wordplay. Bread, as I read it, is a flatbread from another part of the continent; and then there’s the interpolated dance to finish. How it all fits together is still beyond me.

  13. 18D: Bread => letters 1-3; “never ever cut” = never without ever => letter 6 (since it’s during the dance); dance can be Irish => letters 4, 5 & 7.

  14. 23D took me a while. Now I see, as Rupert pointed out earlier, that DA has gone for ‘top’ instead of ‘Cockney’.

  15. Problem is the bread should have two ‘a’s in it.
    Can anyone give me a clue for 1 a or d. I am a bit stuck in that corner?

  16. Thanks Rupert.
    I’d never seen the bread spelt with just the one vowel (despite having spelt a month in India), though the O.E.D. does give this as the primary spelling, with the double-vowel spelling as the variant.

  17. 1A. “Discussed” is a homophone indicator.

    1D. “paddle” is the definition, though it’s nothing to do with water craft or table tennis.

  18. 1A is a very subtle homophone, with the ? signalling something a little curly. ‘Recap’ said aloud gives ‘about now’.

    1D: Paddle is the definition, but look for a verb as a synonym. Stretch (4) + tip of kayak (1) gives the answer.

    21A still eludes me. I’m sure it’s head-slappingly obvious.

  19. It seems the bread has two vowels in and around India and only one in and around Turkey. So the advice I gave Scott was off by a few thousand kilometres.

  20. 21a may be obvious, but I had never heard the expression before. I worked it from anagram and had to google to check.

  21. Thanks for the help with the ‘1’s. No wonder I had trouble with 1 a. The weather about now is anything but!

  22. How’s shaming! I’ve never heard that expression before – though my housemate has.

    21A gave me 14D, and so endeth the crossword. Very lazy, and much too reliant on this forum today.

  23. Almost there. Just 4d to go. Got the cross letters, don’t know any slang for nerves (as above) that fits and have no idea of the wordplay. I will probably have to wait till tomorrow’s paper.

  24. Despite the plaudits above, I thought 15A broke the rules since it has two wordplays and no definition. Maybe it’s just me!

    Also, 22A is misclued since the correct spelling of the subject of the wordplay has no aspirate.

    Finally, loved the political incorrectness of 5D, where the definition is immediately juxtaposed with “risk taking”. Given his cause of death, “risk taking” could be taken by the PC brigade as unnecessarily judgmental.

  25. 22A: The instruction “top” tells you to remove the H from the beginning of the word for bunk. The answer is a homophone of the remaining 4 letters.

    15A: It is a bit unusual, messing with the spacing in the definition. Still, if you wanted a setter who sticks to “the rules” you’d be doing the Times.

  26. @Ian : My edition of the SMH has “warbling” as one word with no space.

    @Rupert : Are you talking about 23D rather than 22A? But I’ve now realised that my criticism of 22A was inadvertently directed at the wordplay when of course I meant the definition. The ODE definition of the solution is an exclamation used to express delight and enthusiasm; definitely not a synonym of the meaning of “a few roos loose”.

  27. 15A: Same here. I assumed it was intentional. Why do you think DA needs to put every space in the clue for you?

    22A: Yes, I was talking about 23D, sorry. On 22A, Chambers agrees with the OED, but the more current usage seems to be a synonym of the same word without the H.

  28. Only 22A to go. Any further hints?
    Don’t get the wordplay in 19A.
    Nice one this week, although I had a surprising amount of trouble with head slappers like 24D and 29A.

  29. Stuck on 24D. Is it a hidden?

    Gimmes this week (I found) were 12A, 27A and 26D. Love those gimmes to crack the thing open. May there never be a gimme-free DA!

    Found 1A and 1D quite difficult. Had never heard of 21A but saw the anagram and had enough down clues to work it out.

  30. 22A: My thoughts for @Geoff Smith
    Def = ‘A few roos loose’, which is Australian slang.
    letters 1-5: A word meaning ‘hit’ (can be a verb or a noun, just like hit)
    letter 6: second letter of ‘cousin’
    I have a faint memory that this word used to describe that AFL player who advertised batteries.
    Of course, I might be completely off track, but my answer does fit nicely with the down answers.

  31. Although I’ve finished, I don’t understand the clue for the first three letters of 19A. Any hints, please?
    In 18D, the spelling with “k” is the old westernized version before language reform…. Which is what I tried to use and hence really couldn’t make sense of the clue for a while!

  32. Further on 24D. It’s another case (like 15A) where two words are joined. Sails a bit close to the wind I think.

  33. @Geoff Smith, thanks! I see now that the definition is also sort of hidden by the lack of a space.
    I did briefly consider that lock might be the def but I was thinking of a padlock kind of lock, not the hair kind of lock. Silly old duffer me.

  34. 6D: Was anyone else misdirected by ‘liberal ruler’ into thinking MING (as in Bob Menzies)? Not sure if this was intentional mischief on DA’s part but it sure got me for a while.

  35. @RobynW, regarding 19A – there is a good explanation above in the third post on this thread. ‘In’ in the sense of knowing what’s trendy, I think.

  36. I had speed limit for 14d, which made things quote difficult. I doubt I’d have finished without seeing the ‘war bling’ post here…brilliant clue.
    ‘kangaroos loose in the top paddock’ is the term I’m familiar with in terms of 22a. ; I suspect the loss of the ‘h’ in contemporary.spelling is due to American usage to describe a recently deceased Afro-American entertainer with a Peter Pan fixation.
    I think ‘sleek swimmer’ is fine to describe the whale species and certainly helps the surface .
    Also misdirected by 6d’s liberal leader , typical DA .
    Liked pretty much everything today..11a,15a,19a,20d the best of a very good bunch IMHO.

  37. Wow, this was a tough one! I had lots of it filled in in pencil with the eraser at the ready, and even with the hints on here it took me ages to justify some of them. It didn’t help that I’d never heard of 4 or 21, had to look up 17, and for a long time had a basil concoction for 16, which made 6 interesting.
    The expression in 22’s clue is new to me, and an improvement on the English version with screws, I think. Strine is a wonderfully expressive language.

  38. I think I may have finished, but my answer to 15A I cannot understand, appears to be related to relics from the war???? Thought 11A a clever clue. Got some help from up there ^ with 4D, otherwise, if my 15A is right, all my own work. But would appreciate some explanation of 15A. Stop! Suddenly I see the reasoning, so, all now understood.

  39. Great work Arthur!
    I was trying to fit ‘grunting’ in somewhere for 15A for quite some time.

  40. @BRD – re spelling of 22a, I think you’re right about the Peter Pan connection. I suspect it may also have something to do with a rhyming phrase using a very similar word (without the h and ending in y) to describe cannabis. The meaning of the answer to 22 seems to have shifted to mean the same as the similar one, if you see what I mean.

  41. Well done, Arthur. I was secretly hoping you’d get stuck on 5D, but you seem to know your namesake.

    Shall we see you in the Pool Room?

  42. Yes, Rupert, I’m old enough to remember him, Hoad, Rosewall, and a host of others from earler times. Actually just got back from a few games of pool, only five playing up there this afternoon.

  43. Well, I’ve completed it all with a bit of help from you folks, but, apart from Arthur seeing 15A suddenly, i am still mystified. I have the word and I like the war bling bit but I can’t see how it works.
    I know 25A must be really easy to understand but, even though I’ve filled it in, I still can’t see how it works. Also I can see the word for 4D but I can’t fit in an overcoat and an agent at all!
    I liked most of the rest and I completed all of the righthand side by myself which is a big step!

  44. Have completed most of it (with a bit of help from above)
    Like Conny I can’t see how 4D works although I have what must be the answer. I’m presuming overcoat is a containment indicator and that letters 1, 3 and 4 somehow mean agent and they are containing letter 2.
    Have no idea on the wordplay for 28 A although I’m pretty sure I have the “right” answer.
    I too put in Pesto for 16A at first and started to put in somersault for 15d before realising I was missing a letter. I though both 15A and D, 8d were very good.
    Not sure of some of the wordplay in 13d assuming I have the right answer. Can see the muscles, something that might at a bit of a stretch mean haul, but the rest of it appears to be the exact opposite of sweet. (I hope “up” isn’t being used to indicate an antonym here!)
    Am also a bit puzzled by 19A. I have an answer, assuming def is brief. It is the only word that I can find that fits the cross letters. But from hint above about “in” indicating first three letters, I would assume it starts with the letter I, but mine starts with E.
    Can’t see the liberal leader in 6d, assuming I have right answer.

    Will plod on, SE corner giving me the most grief at the moment

  45. Hi nn. with 13D You’ve got the muscles first then the next4 letters crom from “carry” or haul backwards and the last 4 are the sweet you might have for dessert.
    for 28 A I thought that the may turns into the conditional tense and the insufficient education is the two letters in the middle missing one for elementary education.
    for 64 the liberal is not a person but a word for liberal missing the first letter

  46. Connie 15A one = I, drunk is the three letter word that DA often uses for drunk. It is in the dictionary but I’ve never heard it used anywhere else but in a crossword. Suspect it is fairly old slang, no longer in use. This is all in the lady’s first name.
    You are one step ahead of me with 25A. I have something that fits for the first word meaning practical, but the rest escapes me. I have no idea what the second word is or even which part of the clue is the def.

  47. Thanks Connie, 29A was one of only a couple I had in the SE corner. Thanks for the explanation of 13D, I hadn’t thought of the last four letters in that sense.
    Thanks for 6D, I see it now. Spent a long time trying to fit the letter L into that one!
    18A, can see the may now, but that contains letters 2 and 3. No idea how these relate to education.

  48. Just got 20d and 23d. Was thinking of the wrong sort of bunk for the latter, really put me off for a long time.
    Just 25A, 14D (which I’ve made such a mess of with so many wrong attempts that I can hardly read) and 27A to go. I’m only missing the middle letter for this, can’t be more than 26 possibilities, but can’t make sense of any of them!

  49. Thanks Mary, saw it just as I posted my query! As a teacher, I’m really kicking myself!

  50. nn – I posted too late, glad you got there for yourself. Are you still looking for the justification of first 3 letters of 19a? I took ‘starting late’ to mean ‘putting the first letter last’

  51. thanks Mary
    You are right with 19a, my problem was that I’d never heard of this version of “in”. Have since checked dictionary and it is an alternative to the one with which I’m familiar which has an “i” in the middle..

  52. By the way, is there anyone out there who has ever heard of the expression in 21A? I worked it out from the wordplay and then googled it, but has it ever been used in OZ. I think it is about time we took a stand against the Americanisation of the language, it is bad enough on TV, but when it creeps into a crossword, too much!!!

  53. And both so dated they’re long out of use! I’ve given up trying to keep up with the young, after abandoning ‘cool’, ‘wicked’ (and variations on meanings of ‘bad’) and ‘awesome’. Some of them seem to come back briefly, just to confuse you.

  54. 21A: I’ve heard it as “Cry xxxxx”, which I think was still in use at my English grammar school in the 80s, though generally I don’t think we accepted surrender :)

    15A, 3-5: This is still in use in the US. There’s a joke about it in the Pixar movie “Cars” (why don’t racecars have headlights?), and my sister in law will frequently announce her intention to get this.

    4D: The agent is letters 4, 3 and 1. “over” is the reversal indicator and “coat” is the container indicator.

    I admit to getting lost in the recent flurry of posts. Is anyone still awaiting an explanation?

  55. Have just seen the agent in 4D. some sort of reversal indicator would have helped!
    Got the last 3 out now, had my practical type as the first word in the answer of 25A, when it should have been containing the dent. Didn’t make any sense the way I had it and made an even bigger mess of my numerous attempts at 14D, which became quite a bit easier once I had the right letter at position 8.
    Worked my way through the alphabet to get 27A out, was thinking of the wrong type of like at first.
    Overall, I did a lot better than I have in the past few weeks and thought DA’s clues were much better this time too. Lots of clever ones, not too many quibbles.

  56. thanks for 4d Rupert. I’d had overcoats as the containment indicator. Yet another missing space, although I’m not complaining about them as I had a lot of fun looking for them this week. Managed to pick up most of them. My favourite was the one in 15A.

  57. Well I had a terrific DA week and got soooo close to a clear round. Unassisted by the web I got all the answers except 4D! Even then I had two of the letters. Plus, after months of intelligence from everyone here, I got all the wordplays except Rupert’s whale in 5a. Enough of the blowing of one’s own trumpet, it only goes to show that sometimes it just happens. Rupert, sorry to hear you’ve been crook and couldn’t be 100 per cent. You seem to have done pretty well regardless!
    Thanks also for explaining 4D which I couldn,t see even after having the answer.

  58. nn thanks for you explanation of 15A. I have never heard of the work for drunk and it’s good to see the work out for 4D also. Well done. I’d never heard of the expression in 21A either but worked it our from the letters. 25A ” assigned texts” I have inserted but I can’t see how the clues work.

  59. Connie 25A letters 4 – 7 are a synonym for Dent. This is inside a word for practical. Unfortunately this word for practical also fits the first word of the answer and I initially put that in there and made a right mess of that and several other clues.

  60. Conny it’s letters 123 and 8-11 making up the practical type. The rest is an aussie dent!

  61. Good day for me today with working my way through DA in one sitting – with only one left to solve, 2D. I have read the posts above and there are no clues so I am guessing that means that you all know the correct answer :) Please help with extra clues. Thanks

  62. Hope I get this posted before you all jump in with help. Put the crossword down and immediately the answer came to mind. So a good day for me not needing help from the Trippers.

  63. Thanks Robin and nn for the guide to 25A. I was messing about looking at DENT mixed up in the words and trying to make something of what was left over = not much!!

  64. @ Feather, yes, Artificial Intelligence. Not quite what I’d equate with computer savvy, but that’s what I’m pretty sure he means

  65. 26D: It’s referring to the savviness of the computer, not the savviness of a person in matters relating to computers, which is the usual meaning.

  66. Guess who has just been diagnosed with shingles? OUCH! But I note that stress is one possible trigger so: hand me that shotgun, I’m going looking for DA!

  67. Can anyone explain 7D? Is it _really_ intended to be a double definition, with “transient” = bum = “base”? Surely not …

  68. MF transient =tramp = bum. I think is ok. Base =bottom = bum is probaly ok too but the whole thing is a bit weak. Probably the low point in this week’s puzzle.

  69. Grant, a show-off is a ham, which is upset (or set upwards) about ATM (banking service).

  70. Aha. Nice one. Thanks.
    One other question: what was the relevance of “risk-taking” in relation to Arthur Ashe?
    Regards,
    Grant

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