DA Confusion for the 30th of September, 1st of October, 2011

Here’s where you have your confusions sorted out for this week’s DA.

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81 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 30th of September, 1st of October, 2011

  1. Much more challenging than last week. Took me about 80 minutes all told, with lots of unresolved wordplay questions.

    13D (once I got it!) was very witty. 16D was ingenious, and 19A (the last one I got) was cunning.

    10A: I don’t get the definition.
    14A: I think the two halves of the wordplay are in the wrong order. Or can the indicator also mean its opposite?
    25A: I don’t get the wordplay at all.
    28A: I don’t get the wordplay for the first three letters.
    4D: I don’t see the rotation of the first two letters in the wordplay.
    24D: I don’t get the wordplay for letters 2 & 3.

  2. Hi Rupert. I am finding this much easier than recent weeks. I have NE corner to finish off and28A.

    10A is a US term, possibly military.

    I have seen 29A before i feel sure, and 15A is the subject of a current competition elsewhere!

    Clue for 1A would make my job easier…

    I cant help with any of your q’s!!

  3. 10a: def is the last four words, and the answer is American slang
    14a: I agree, the containment is the wrong way round
    25a: a blue is a mistake
    4d: I took it as an anagram for the last six letters
    24d: you have to “top” a word. Typical DA instruction

  4. Yep Rupert. My brain is saying it. I hate Manly (like most Sydneysiders) but I just can’t see them losing. You need a lot of loyalty or 15A or maybe a little too much 14A to go for the Worriers.

  5. I’d rather have the Warriors lose and the All Blacks win than the other way around, although I shan’t complain if they both win!

  6. Having to concede defeat this week, some help would be greatly appreciated.
    16D – I have a word that fits and is consistent with the first word of the clue, but not getting the wordplay at all
    21D – have the cross letters (I think), and have a word that fits but wordplay not making sense to me
    24D – unless I’ve made mistakes with 23A, 27A and 29A, only one word fits and not matching it to the clue.
    BTW, the RL season came to an end when St George lost to Brisbane – no games after that mattered.

  7. @ Rupert – I take the first three letters of 28A to be from an incomplete extinct bird…….

  8. 16D: Last two words are the key to the wordplay
    21D: First three letters are the interest charged by 6D/17A, the whole is 15A
    24D: From a Dr. Suess book

  9. @ Rupert – thanks. Didn’t watch 6/17, but now it makes sense. Also wasn’t aware of the Seuss character, solved the clue but couldn’t find it in the Macqaurie. Still can’t get my head around 16D wordplay, think I must have had 22A to the inside of my head…..
    Re 28 – they were known to be remarkably stupid, which is why they became extinct. They weren’t smart enough to escape their human hunters.

  10. Hi. Had visitors and not much sleep or time for crossie. Visitors gone, can have a nap now but crossie too hard for me today so came over here about 3/4 done.. and voila .. Noel’s and Rupert’s posts. Now I’ll have to go back over everyone’s cryptic clues … and still no sleep. : (

  11. One has to have one’s priorities right. My visitors would have stayed hungry until I was at lease, say 60% there. :)

  12. Ahhhh…
    Thanks Noel. Rather morbidly, I was trying to ‘top’ a Dr Seuss character in the incorrect belief that this was the wordplay, rather than the definition. Not that I’d heard of the answer, anyhow.

  13. Hi again,

    Nobody has responded to Rupert’s perplexity at the wordplay of 25A. I can say that I am – as it were – stumped, too.

  14. Rupert, RobT and Noel. ..LOL … and thanks to all of you for hints. Only trouble is I seem to have a different subset of clues which are bothering me. …. although I would never have got 6D/17A without Noel’s comment about watching it .. can see the anagram but don’t ‘get’ the whole clue.
    I don’t understand Rupert’s and Ian’s comments about the containment/word order problem in 14A. It reads okay to me. Wordplay: the synonym for time, with its first letter deleted, contains the dribble protector. No?
    No-one’s mentioned 20D so I’m guessing it must be obvious. Def =Animated? Cartoon character? U for upstart? blocks Botany reno ? something to do with The Block, renovations? Or have I been DAceived? (Not having 21D and 27A doesn’t help.)

  15. I understand the slight confusion surrounding the container of 14A. Personally, I think the item in question is – if we comprehend this clue visually – worn centrally and, thus, is well represented on an Across answer.

  16. 25a Definition is first word; “blue” is a mistake (perhaps while using a keyboard); “moon periodically” is letters 2 and 4 of moon

  17. Gayle re 20D – renovate “botany” and stick an Upstart in it and yes, the defn is animated

  18. @ Carl – re 25A – see Ian’s comment from 7:57, I thought that gave enough of a clue (ie refers to letters 1/2/3/5. High in pos 4, with moon periodically in pos 6/7. (hope I’m not giving spoilers here).
    @ Gayle – re 6/17, ana of a person shot. It also helps to know that a ‘made person’ is part of the lingo of the answer. Quite a clever clue all in all.
    re 20D – forget thec artoon character and the block, you have the correct answer. I also needed guidance with 21, didn’t know of the use of the first 3 letters in the solution. Keep at it, Gayle!

  19. Oh, thanks CarlH, for the explanation … it’s where you wear things. I see wear in the sense of to carry, on the body, somewhere, not necessarily on the ‘out’side. And 24D is similar? Loose ‘clothing’.

  20. My problem is I don’t know 6/17 …. at all, but I think I now know what it’s about… and yes, it’s a good clue. .. if you know it. Made person occurred to me at the very start but I couldn’t make any sense out of the rest of it. Is knowing something about 6/17 going to help me with 21A?

  21. ok, got 24D thanks to Rupert’s tip. (Clothing not similar to 14A) How are we supposed to know it’s Dr Seuss? I had the wordplay correct and the right word topped but no idea of the answer. The (younger) David Suzuki didn’t fit. I think the def, or my experience of literature, is limited. It could have been the Banksia man.

  22. Too late for a nap, going to bed early and wait for the solutions tomorrow if the wind doesn’t blow the paper away. Stumped on 10A .. is it making someone walk the plank? And 21D , no idea of the first 3 letters.

  23. PS Thanks for the tips Noel, and agree with you about the end of the NRL season with husband and son Dragons supporters … although a bit sad that the lad from my home state had to go out with a titanium memento of his last match.

  24. I think 4D could have been clued more succinctly (and more elegantly IMHO) by leaving out words 1, 3, 4 and 5. Word 2 on its own contains sufficient implicit wordplay for the answer – at least that’s the way I see it!

  25. 21D: The first three letters are an abbreviation of a Yiddish word meaning winnings. It’s the cut taken by a loan shark or bookie.

  26. Hi all, this is the best I’ve done in a da cryptic but still missing a fair few.
    11a – sure this is obvious but just can’t see it.
    27a – I think I have the answer but can’t get the wordplay.
    And 3 and 5 down should help getting the rest.

  27. A belated thanks to Peta for tips on 20D and for the ‘blue’ in 25A .. it was the ‘high’ that got me, thinking it might have been to move a letter/s.
    And thanks to Rupert for the explanation of the first 3 letters of 21D. Google tells me it’s really an abbreviation of an Anglicised quasi adjectival form of the whole answer. …
    and for a further hint for 10A which I can’t find… Burial at sea? Ditching a plane into water?
    Thirty-six feet? Not burial at sea – 6,600ft in Oz, and usually only allowed for Navy personnel, and 600ft in US, and not at all in California. (ashes okay .. interesting reading over the cornflakes this morning).

  28. Stephen, 27 A. I think ‘can’ here is a synonym for gaol and the answer contains another 3 letter synonym for gaol + a common two letter abbreviation for ‘dandy’ meaning fine or good, all inside the margins of ‘outer’.

  29. 11A one of those tricky DA instructions: the 3 letter answer is a 4 letter word for portion with the ‘t’ outed.

  30. 3D involves an essential ingredient in a ‘cassoulet’, lots of them
    5D involves a utensil used for serving soup.
    Both answers have a part of the word in common.
    Well done Stephen, I didn’t find this week’s a piece of cake.

  31. 10A: The origin of the expression is from the depth line on ships (from which we also get “swinging the lead” and “Mark Twain”). “By the deep, six” means there’s more than 6 fathoms (36 feet) of water.

  32. have most of the bottom half, thanks to hints above but almost nothing in the top half!
    Would never have got 10A without Rupert’s help, def is a bit too obscure in this one. Ditto 24D.
    Have an answer for 23A which is a beheaded bird, but what it has to do with hood escapes me (and if I have it wrong and bird is the def, I’m completely lost!)
    4D escapes me despite clues above, can’t find any anagram of last six letters.

  33. RobT, took exception to your comment that most Sydneysiders hate Manly….we also hate them here in Melbourne !

    Finished in time to go to the footy, but had to resort to the forum hints for the last four. Gayle, I agree with Gayle, the lack of a Seuss indicator was misleading….I was sure it had something to do with David Bellamy!
    Couldn’t believe that I had the 8d certain figures were none of hourglass, holograms or hexagrams.
    Fwiw, I took ‘fool fizzled out’ in 28a to refer to the extinct Mauritian avifauna not quite finishing, ie fizzling out.

  34. thanks BRD, that makes a bit more sense! Was mislead by some earlier hints suggesting that some words were superfluous. Bottom section is important!

  35. had enough and went to crossword club for the last few.
    A spelling mistake on my part made 23A rather difficult.
    Got messed up with 19A. Where’s the homophone indicator in this?
    A few others the wordplay was just too convoluted and definitions too obscure.
    Did like 22A, 13A
    Time for some lunch and then watch the footy. Hope Collingwood don’t win they are 1D themselves already, will be time to move to Sydney if they win again.

  36. As usual, I have more questions than answers. Is 1A something that happened last weekend? For 5D I have M as fifth letter? My wordfinder doiesn’t suggest anything meaningful to go in that spot, given the two letters I have. Is 24D a person’s surname? I’d not seen thev film 6D, 17A but had heard of it, so OK there. Is 8A something a very young child would have done? I may be only nine short, but it could be two or three more, as I can’t see meaning in some of the clues. Might have to wait till after the Grand Final. Or till tomorrow. One more: for 8D, a clue to what I have could be ‘curse first weights’??? Doesn’t make sense to me, doesn’t seem to fit clue, but they are shapes.

  37. Thankyou Rupert for 10A! .. and when I looked up Wiki on fathom measurements I found:
    It is customary, when burying the dead, to inter the corpse at a fathom’s depth, or six feet under. A burial at sea (where the body is weighted to force it to the bottom) requires a minimum of six fathoms of water. This is the origin of the phrase “to deep six” as meaning to discard, or dispose of.”

  38. Arthur:
    1A Yes. 5D Middle letter E. 24D Rupert told us is a Dr Seuss character. 8A Yes, or a duck. 8D curse is the first part. It’s an adjective; of certain figures

  39. 5D that’s 5th letter is E which is the 5th and last letter of the synonym for peculiar in 12A, a French word in origin, a bit like ‘out there’ in English.

  40. THanks, Gayle. Think I have 8D right now, didn’t think of it being adjective. That Dr Seuss book is a killer, never heard of it,but found a list via Google. My kids had The cat in the hat, and Green eggs and ham. I think I only need six now, so will close down till later.

  41. And now Melbourne can retain its claim as worlds most liveable city. Black and white bogans will retreat to their dens and drown their sorrows. Streets will be much more pleasant tonight

  42. Hi frank.

    12a: exceeding= definition. Synonyms for i) peculiar=letters 1-5 and ii) pain=letters 6-11. Also of help is:
    E … is the 5th and last letter of the synonym for peculiar in 12A, a French word in origin, a bit like ‘out there’ in English.

  43. Well, finally settled on 12A. I had ‘outsmarting’ which seemed to fit with pain. But the replacement is ‘better than a toothache’! Still missing 15, 19, 27A, 13, 20, 21D. May have to abandon, visitors coming, Mrs C’s 83rd birthday celebration today. Does 15A have N as second letter?

  44. Coming back to DA after a few weeks on the road. Out of practice, so have very little of the NW corner. Thanks to hints above, have most of the rest. I am, however, stumped as to the 1st and 3rd letters of 21D, despite having worked out (at last) 6D/17A and 15A. I’m assuming the last three letters are a word in the clue, and I can guess a word that fits the definition (roughly a synonym for 15A), but am at a loss to understand how the first part of the clue gives the first part of the answer.

  45. Arthur, sorry, second letter of 15a is not N.
    Jo, ‘back third’ is the instruction – look at the third letters.

  46. Dave, sounds like you have the answer for 21d ok. The first three letters are a slang expression for interest/margin/percentage apparently used in the TV show referenced. It is not a term I was aware of, had to resort to Wikipedia to confirm. I think on the obscure side if you aren’t a follower of the serial.

  47. Thanks BRD. There goes another one. I had ladleing, you’ve now shot that! So now I’m seven short! Think I’ll just have to give in, mind isn’t up to solving the remainder, I feel. Sad.

  48. One further try. No visitors yet. Could that second letter of 15A be a female sheep?

  49. Arthur, you’re very close; you have the correct soup dispensing utensil, just need the suffix! Talc a ‘duck’ from a synonym of rancid and you’re done

  50. BRD, don’t quite understand. Is this an English word? I just added, out of the blue, 19A and 20D, so getting closer. Is 13D the name of a fictional character?

  51. That should read ‘take a duck’…..

    19a is a homophone of a synonym for bet, I don’t think ‘catch’ is a great indicator but I may be missing something. There was a previous hint for 27a that explained the elements – slang for can/jail, alphanumeric term for dandy/excellent, all inside margins/limits of ‘outer’ . Not indoors is the def. 15a is an older term to my thinking at least that I associate more with courage than energy; first three are something sold as a ‘stick’, the balance the letters from ‘pot in’

    Congrats to Mrs C, many happy returns!

  52. Arthur, 13d is indeed a fictional character, and the female sheep is correct in position 7 of 5d. It is a standard english word, but not a formal part of the imperial measures of volume

  53. BRD – thanks for the explanation of 16d.

    in 19A, I took ‘catch’ to mean ‘hear’, as in “sorry, I didn’t catch that…”

    Arthur C: yes, 13D is a fictional character. 15A nothing to do with sheep.

  54. Jo, my reference to sheep was a letter of the alphabet. Visitors gone, down to last twop.,21D and 27A. Have we nothing as first letter of 27A?

  55. Arthur 21D the word means to have a bit of get up and go (hence the connection to 15A). Others have commented that the first 3 letters are apparently slang for interest (on a loan), a term apparently used in the show 6D,17A. I’ve never watched it. The last three letters are given in the clue. The first three are “over” them.
    27A. yes we have ‘nothing’ for the first letter of 27A. next three are in your hand while you are doing the crossword and are an abbreviation for a word meaning prison (this is the ‘can’ in the clue). The def is something that is not indoors.

  56. All fine thanks nn. Finished now, I think. See what the paper says tomorrow.

  57. @nn: “Others have commented that the first 3 letters are apparently slang for interest (on a loan), a term apparently used in the show 6D,17A. I’ve never watched it.”

    While I’ve never watched the show either, the term seems not uncommon in U.S. underworld slang. It’s front-and-centre in the entertaining Travolta film (surprisingly, not an oxymoron) _Get Shorty_ and it also popped up in a 1977 episode of _The Rockford Files_, late late late one night last year. Conclusion: not very Aussie, but probably not unfair.

  58. I worked for many years with a very pleasant, very large Chicagoan of Italian ancestry, and it was definitely part of his vocabulary.

  59. @MF I’ve never watched any of the other shows you mentioned either! I never claimed it was unfair, just that I’d never heard of it. I usually learn something each week from DA. The clue was fair enough as there was enough in the definition to get the answer, DA gave us the last 3 letters which, when combined with the cross letter from 22A made it easy enough to get the answer. Then thanks to hints from the others and a bit of Googling of the first 3 letters the wordplay became clear.

  60. Been on holiday. Just got round to this crossie. Really enjoyed pop-up ad, liposuction, and Captain Nemo.

    Two complaints (the first has already been commented upon). Re 14A imbibe: you usually wear things (bib, in this case) on the outside, not the inside. Re 16D volcanic: I thought this clue unfair in the use of the word “third”. Surely that should have been “thirds”.

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