DA Confusion for the 26/27th of August, 2011

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112 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 26/27th of August, 2011

  1. 44 minutes (a new record), so it must be pretty easy. I hadn’t heard of 7D or Hotham in 10A. Didn’t get the wordplay in 22D until I googled the word I thought meant runner.

    I liked 6D.

  2. In case it wasn’t clear, I meant it was a personal best. Others here have solved a DA in half an hour or less.

  3. Congrats Rupert – poolroom podium two weeks running!
    I found it a bit hard to crack at first…. but getting into the DA-groove. … stretching defs and homophones. Some fun clues.

  4. Tough one for me this week. I am only about half-way through cracking some tricky mothers. Well done Rupert.

  5. 24D would have been harder had we not watched an episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer last night which featured a quote from the “literary” part of the clue.

  6. 24 D was first in for me. It’s the others that are giving me grief.
    Like the wordplay in 11 A – and not asking for help at this stage because I’m sure it’s going to be really good when I get it – but don’t yet get the second part.
    Yeeha! Just got 6D!

  7. I don’t get the rebus then. I can kind of justify an &lit for 11A.
    But thanks for the tip. Might be able to get 12 and 19 now. Finishing on the SW corner.
    I have 2 starting points, one maths and the other music? Is either correct?

  8. 11A: The answer is a cryptic clue for the first word (this is what makes it a rebus). The definition is the second two words of the clue.

    I’m not sure what you mean by starting points?

  9. 11A I have a different ‘picture’ of a rebus then. No matter. Will ponder some more.
    12ac,19dn thought it might been hoper minus h? = oper. Wrong?

  10. I found today’s rather slow going and still have a couple to go (6D and 9A). There are quite a few gems in there that brought a smile to my face when the penny finally dropped.
    Don’t get the wordplay in 13D. I’ll keep plodding away and come back later in the afternoon

  11. Interesting what you learn about Australian history while doing DA . Looked up the harbour bloke in case there was an apostrophe issue similar to the rock bloke last week and found that his correct name and origin is entirely different to what we know and think of.

    Found 3/4 of it gettable, for me anyway. Was really stuck in SW corner. Getting the ‘natural runner’ wrong, but perfectly justifiable I thought, brought me undone around 22 dn. And silly me, thought it was a kind of meat at the barbie!

    A homophonic quibble with 3D. Liked 4D, 6D, 24D/10A, 26A and 12 A (with Rupert’s help).

  12. You’d think after DA’s minor error with Ayers he’d double check these things. This isn’t just a trailing S.

    3D was fine by me. Homophones are dodgy when dealing with colonial accents, especially when they belong to the setter!

  13. 3D I can see/hear it now, was thinking of lots of sailors.
    And can see even more now about 12A, 19D. Jumped to that too quickly. That’s really good! I even had the solution in mind way back before I messed things up, as a synonym, without noticing (what’s now) the 0bvious.

  14. 3D I don’t hear. I was caught offside thinking 7D started involved Bruno. I thought 12A/19D a tad obvious and therefore lazy. But there were some great clues, noted elsewhere.

  15. Not lazy. Funny, and clever. DA might have had to explain that to the typesetter/Editor, if they were as blind as me.

  16. Which brings me to 21D, which RobT has nominated for Gold on other thread, not in my view.

  17. A fresh look after a few hours and my last two (9A and 6D) came rather quickly. Yes Gayle, the cooperation of the typesetters (do they still have them?) for 12/19 was gold. Lots of good cluing this week.

  18. Not much help for me here today. I came to DA confusion completely lost and just got told how easy it all is. I thought that was for the other strand.
    Managed to work out 3 d, 24d and 11a from tips, but absolutely nothing else. My brain just doesn’t seem to be aligning with DA’s at all today. Any help anywhere?

  19. @Sandy: I found it hard today too. Maybe a different tempo from the usual.

    23A could help as an ordinary anagram .

  20. 5D is pretty straightforward – a very straightforward geographical definition and an allusion to the markings of the canine population of that area.

  21. @Sandy, I found it difficult today too. In 18D both the cat and the doll are males.

  22. Thanks for trying folks. Still struggling and about to go to movies with my wife. Heading away tomorrow, so suspect it will be get the answers and work backwards. Haven’t done that for a long time.

  23. In the big smoke for the weekend
    Been awake for ages waiting for my daughters paperboy Mike who is very late! Not that late as in run over by a tram ie!
    perhaps Mike just needs money for his broken bike?
    (sorry, but I’m getting into cryptic mode in anticipation )

  24. Foggy in Sydney which complements my progress perfectly. After a fair bit longer than 44 minutes (!) I have only 11 done and feel in need of a few hints.
    The SW corner is mostly done except for 13D. I have all the cross clues (I think) but cannot solve it.

  25. Having problems. Have about 11 (I think). But in 13D I have S-A-C-T-O- I feel at least one of my letters must be wrong. Was thinking of musical term, but it won’t fit. So, please, how many wrong letters have I there?

  26. Answer, none. Had never heard the word before, but I Googled, and there it was.

  27. Got off to a sluggish start on this one. I’m kicking myself for being so slow to latch on with some of the clues. Enjoyed the wordplay, though often ended up understanding it AFTER I managed to guess the answer rather than before. I too hadn’t heard 13D used before.

  28. Arthur, I wonder if you had the same 11 as me!
    Thanks to Rob’s hint about 13D being a portmanteau I could see a word from the same cross letters you had. I would not say I really knew the word although I think I might have heard it used once or twice. Mind you with the dollar as high as it is we may hear it less currently.
    13D wordplay though? Not quite there yet.

    1D bugging me. I have the second word and an idea about the ‘shiner’ but the homophone?

    Also 4D’s bird watcher is a mystery so far.

    11A was fun. My wife thought Hotham City was where Batman performs and got the answer from that!

    Most of the north and east still showing a lot of blank squares but will press on.

  29. 4D: the stuff in brackets is an important hint…it’s the type of clue where brackets appear.

  30. Just got 8A! Only 7 to go, though I’m not sure of my 11A. Can someone tell me whatthe (6/2) in 14A means, other than three?

  31. My confusion was caused by other compilers who use a hyphen to indicate a hyphenated word. But that one isn’t hyphenated? I’m still confuded. I’m still 7 short, may just leave it at that. Don’t have the education of some other solvers, had no idea what a rebus was, and the ‘&lit’ means nothing to me. But, its all good clean fun. May look again tomorrow.

  32. Arthur, 14A , ‘after starters’ is an indicator to remove the first letter of the following 4 words.

    Re the language of cruciverbalism – I’m only beginning to learn some of the terms by browsing sites such as Crossword Unclued which give explanations of clue types and rules, but don’t think it’s necessary to solve. .. just sometimes a helpful pointer. Having come to cryptics late in life I have a lot of catching up to experienced solvers such as yourself!

  33. Thanks Gayle for 14A! I now see the ‘after starters’ – easy when you know how.
    A personal ‘poolroom’ step forward for me this week was to solve 16D and 21D and work out the wordplay. I must be making some small progress.

    I am afraid 1D and 4D still elude me in spite of what I know will be very good hints from Rupert and Rob.

  34. Is the runner in 22D plural? I have 4 letters for this plus 2 letters for the skinny-lite.

  35. Nuh, Robin, 22D is 4 for the natural runner with its head lowered, ie move the first letter to the 3rd position. Then 3 letters for another word you might see on skinny-lite products. Only it’s shortened, actually a 4 letter word with the lasts letter removed. def is cereal.
    I got this totally wrong. Rupert said he googled the natural runner, and I’m thinking a Kiwi is going to be telling something – again – that we Aussies don’t know, but should know.

  36. Correction; a 3 letter Aussie runner, which you don’t think of as a runner, but that’s because it can’t do what it looks like it should be able to do.

  37. Robin, congrats on getting 16D and 21D – I missed those. Disagree with the def for 21D, but then I’m a Queenslander and have vivid memories of crawling on the floor so as not to get cut to pieces during a massive hailstorm.

  38. 21 D on looking it up, I’m even more inclined to disagree with the def. It’s only one part, not the whole thing.

  39. Yes thanks, I had the runner and the answer but I had it as runners plural with the head lowed two places, plus LI being a ‘skinny’ version of the word ‘lite’.

    I have 24D now which some got easily. I was slowed by having a beer (instead of a slab). Good clue, 26A, the beer didn’t explain the whodunit bit.

    Still too many to go, will look for further hints later! Thanks for all your help so far.

  40. ML have you got the answer, or are you looking for the wordplay?
    There is a wheeled craft in the last 4 letters of the answer, which gave me the idea for the answer, but that turns out not to be the wordplay.
    ‘Wheeled craft’ is a reversal of synonym for craft contained in an ethnic group which lives up north in Norway. The first letter is the first letter of continent. DA probably could have come up with some other wordplay but it probably wouldn’t get past the Editor.

  41. Thanks Gayle – every time I looked at that clue, all I could think of was Leif Eriksson!

  42. Ah, Leif Eriksson, that first century anagram…!

    Thanks to your 8A hints, Gayle, I have that garbage and soon then tumbled 4D, which I can only describe as an OMG moment. Am now genning up on clues with brackets….

  43. If you heard a loud noise, that was me slapping my head. I was sure that there was a ‘lover’ in 4D, but the brackets reference gave me the direction – what a clue! I had spent hours looking at Audobon and Gould and plover….doh!
    Thanks all for the hints.

  44. Resumed, now down to 4. 4D and 18D, 17A and 22A. But time tomorrow perhaps to complete the thing.

  45. Arthur, you are outstripping me! But you have 6D but not 4D? I am still working on 6D, and your others, 18D, 17A, and 22A. You’ll enjoy 4D when you get it. Or maybe not…

    BRD I’m with you, too much time looking for bird watchers. I found Ian Fleming was a bird watcher which started another train of thought entirely.

  46. 22D: I was off Googling a four letter word that, for all I knew, was an Aussie river or athlete or bean. Cutting the runner down to three letters made a lot more sense.

  47. I’m having more trouble than usual this week. Any help concerning tyres, bird-watchers, sleeping models or Hotham would be gratefully accepted.

  48. Dave, I know the feeling!

    15A is a homophone clue type. Try the first word..

    4D I had help with this yesterday. What is inside the bracket is essential. We say ‘bird watcher’ but…

    16D The ‘models’ might be not seen on a catwalk. ‘Rain out east’ will give you the first 5 letters.

    11A Vehicle usable in Mount Hotham in the season…

    Hope that helps a bit!

  49. Finally, back to the battle. Needing two now, 17A and 22A. Is the Tell in 17A William Tell, of archery fame?

  50. Thank you Robin. I got 15A and 16D immediately from your assistance, and shall ponder the rest with greater hope. Silly of me to miss the homophone indicator in 15A, and I’m not at all familiar with Mount Hotham, but from your hint I know what kind of vehicle to consider.

  51. Arthur, the tell is not William Tell, it is actually the definition of 17A.
    I think this could be better clued as “Tell judge after having (2D) back”. The first three letters are a synonym for the answer to 2D ‘back’-wards. Judge is not a noun.

  52. 22A? Oh dear! As in …

    nn | August 22, 2011 at 8:41 am |
    perhaps we should have a new type of hint whenever DA delves into…. “not for Cockney saying 50% huh?” i.e. “not suitable for Arthur”..

    22A relies on a word that used to be associated with open fires at home, now better known because of Facebook. This give letters 3-6 and is (according to DA) a synonym for ‘friendship bid’. (I think he has this wrong!) Letters 1-2 are a synonym for second as in ‘wait a…’

  53. I had, beginning 17A, the reversal of a synonym for 2D. But reference to my online wordfinder throws up nothing. Similar result for the three (now four, Ta Robin), I have M & T for first and third letters in 22A. Is that T wrong? I was pretty sure 6 down was the rear of old motor car? I really only need four letters to complete the puzzle, assuming all other answers are correct.

  54. No! Suddenly, I see what 17A is, but that kills the ‘seat’ I had as second word in 6 down. So, confused again. Presume this means the T I had as 3rd letter in 22A is wrong. So I need a new second word in 6D, I can replce that T in 22A with a P?

  55. Arthur, you are so close!

    6D is not the rear of an old motor car… you have 4D and know of his peculiar habit with words. The answer to 6D is a common type of protection material that you might find at a post office . However, this two word answer would be wrongly said by 4D of course. When he said it it could be “Rock Roll” or rather synonyms of those. (You eat the roll, DA must have been hungry as this is not the only one with a bun in it). Any the wiser?

  56. Robin, thanks for your attempted help, guess I’m too stupid. The middle four letters of 4D I have could have been a verbal expressionn of contempt or a certain type of person. If I have that right, it tells me nothing about 6D, if you remember back to ‘dickey seats’ I had a more modern variant of that, also, I think, a musical group of that name. But all that seems to have been ruled out? I’ve got M,O, and a K in 22A. Is that now wrong? I could only think of one bird that fitted there. Is it a bird name at all? I’m getting further confused.

  57. It sounds as though your 4D needs help. The answer to 4D is the surname of the Oxford don who would get his words mixed up. He was a bit of a word botcher. He didn’t need binoculars for this. Correct letters are – P – O – E –
    This chap is referred to in 6D as also above in my piece about the plastic wrapping material. Correct letters for 6D are – U – B – E – R – P
    22A you have, I think, M O P – K – which are correct.

  58. Think I have them all now, thanks Robin. I had forgotten about the ‘scoop of trouts’ gentleman. Don’t see the connection with the protective stuff which appears to be the answer to 6D though. But will leave it now, it has been a real struggle to get the last few. Have a good week all. DV, will see you next weekend. Time for arvo tea, then pool table. Sayonara, Auf wiedersehen, Aloha, Ciao, … (he didn’t even say goodbye!)

  59. came to it late this week. managed only one before heading here. Most upset to find some thought it was easy as I’m getting nowhere. Have 4 more now following above hints (last two only after Robin’s 1.19 pm post , now have some idea of what Robin was hinting at earlier, but still lost on most of it.

  60. finished, thanks to above hints. B
    ut don’t get wordplay for 21d or 22a despite above discussion. Help will be appreciated so I can put DA to bed.

  61. got 22a with above hints. Feather, first two letters is a short time as in half a … , rest is what you do to a wood fire to stir it up and is apparently what you do when you want to send a message to someone on facebook asking to be their friend.
    can’t help you with the wordplay for 21d as I don’t have the solution yet.

  62. feather, by coincidence I have just looked to see if there are some more answers here but it looks like a very quiet afternoon was had by all!

    Bearing in mind some might still only want hints, I’ll say 21D has letters 1-2, 5-6 which you’ll see are a word for a sort of traditional ‘teaching’. The bit in the middle you’ll now recognise as an acronym for a type of ‘light’. I hope this helps.

    I’d like someone to explain the wordplay for 13D…?

  63. Made a good start, but was stuck on a few, most of which have been sorted out, thanks to everyone’s comments.

    24,10a and24d to go.

  64. Have less than half of them and no time left to devote to it. Above hints have helped in a few, but many of the hints have only confused me more. Lots of others I’m missing that nobody has mentioned. Guess I’m not really with it this week.

  65. Throw one my way and I’ll see if I can help.

    I liked 11a, 4d and 5d (for cuteness).

  66. Thanks nn & Robin – didn’t know the facebook term, and had spent hours (or at least it felt like it) looking at 21d without any illumination …

  67. Robin, I have 13d as a four letter word for quick, which is put backwards (upset) and without its first letter (forfeited) within a 7 letter word for place.

  68. Mike finally delivered and I struggled all day, but getting there with much help from above (thanks gang)
    Guess I just ‘adaaddada covered by-by!
    ….. er (roughly) had a bad DA day so to speak
    Best I learn how to solve before attempting the setting methinks!!

  69. If anyone is around today, we have no idea about 24 / 10 across, or 24 down and 2 down. Got all the rest. Any hints please?

  70. Doug/Gwyn, 24 across was a type of boat (Asian I think), associated with a dodgy sort of security. If you take an ancient very well-known vehicle from sparked what have you left?

  71. @Doug & Gwyn
    24 / 10 a : Boat & agent are both synonyms (think orient / MI5) and the last 2 words are the def
    24 d first name of an author with a capital surname
    2 d Noah ain’t in it
    or am I making this worse?

  72. Doug & Gwyn: It’s heartening to see some one else had those ones remaining. More heartening after I found the answers, which almost caused a head/desk collision.

  73. I assumed DA was talking about louvre blinds, an example of which can be found at English Blinds dot co dot uk (I seem to be ending up in the spam trap for some reason).

  74. Can anyone help Ben and Lynne – finally got back to DA this evening, but bewildered by 13d and 25a (arioso?). Any more clues out there?

  75. Mr X: I’m thinking that light headedness plays into this somehow, but I’m going to need another clue.

  76. Ben, 13D is a relatively new word I believe which is used to describe a holiday you take at home. It’s a ‘portmanteau’ or a blend of two other words. The word has a 4 letter word for ‘quick’ with the first letter missing, and this is reversed. Wrapped around this is a word for place. The whole lot rhymes with a very common word for holiday! Any help?

  77. Ben, 25a is defined in the first two words, then the letters left after removing the heart of ‘oratory’ are broadcast.

  78. Ben 25A is a very clever clue from DA. ‘Spanish channel broadcast…’ This has to be TVE1, right? Wrong. The channel is the watercourse type as in a brook or creek. Look for an anagram of a 7 letter word in the clue with an indicator to remove one letter, this might help.

  79. Rupert, well done on your tremendous effort this week. This has proved to be a more difficult week for a lot of solvers. I found it slow going.
    A friend of mine who has been doing DA for ages wrote in a text at the weekend “..thrown it out. Could only do just over half. Worst week in memory” so it only adds to your achievement in my view!

  80. Btw, I have only just realised that 26A is not about Slim Dusty and his ‘Pub with no beer’. Funny how you get a fixed idea about some things. The ‘dusty’ indicates that time has passed since the case was warm.

  81. Does anyone else think that a Facebook ‘Poke’ is not a ‘friendship bid’? A friendship bid is an “Add Friend” surely? A Poke is a nudge to a friend you already have isn’t it?

  82. Well, I have anecdotally heard that to Poke someone means you want to strike up a conversation, or take it to another metaphorical level. Perhaps that’s the angle he is taking…

  83. You may be right, Rob. I just found this.

    “When we created the poke, we thought it would be cool to have a feature without any specific purpose. People interpret the poke in many different ways, and we encourage you to come up with your own meanings.”Mark Zuckerberg during a live Facebook webinar!

  84. Thanks v much Robin – new words for me. I don’t like it much when I get a tricky word play with an obscure defn, but I guess that’s DA.


  85. Very tough this week. Needed several sittings. Fell four short. Several words I’d not heard of (Anubis, staycation, mopoke). Lots of good (and tough) clues though.

    Plus a few grumbles:
    20A: Wikipedia says the “harbour bloke” was Korff, who named the area Korff’s harbour, and the harbour’s name was later accidentally changed by a surveyor. But does this justify DA retrospectively renaming the harbour bloke Coff?

    22A: When I was a lad, “poke” was slang for “to have sexual intercourse with” , a meaning that I see still persists, but I gather from comments above that it’s not what DA intended! Not sure which I dislike more: Facebook or Harry Potter!

    6D: “rock” = “rubble” just doesn’t seem right. “Rocks” yes, but not “rock”.

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