DA Confusion for the 6/7th May, 2011

Another DA means there’s gonna be another bout of confusion.

Here’s where you have all that sorted out.

Ask away.

128 thoughts on “DA Confusion for the 6/7th May, 2011

  1. 10A: Groan!

    Definitely tougher than last week. Still plenty to do for lunchtime.

  2. Same at first sight. But got a fairly good start on NNE, SSE and SSW so far.
    Like the female clues and a couple of funnies.
    Is 24 A minus def?

  3. Got it out. Much the same degree of difficulty as last week. I didn’t like 1D which seems to be an incomplete clue…

  4. robt and RobT .. I don’t know about you two. You have a similar sense of humour. And because this setup doesn’t allow simultaneous posts, we’ll never know : )

  5. I am one and the same. Unfortunately my means of communication is bifurcated between PC and Gooseberry.

    I think I have now aligned my IDs.

  6. Got the revelation. But it was kinda fun. I owe nn an apology.
    Just 3 intersecting clues to go.

  7. All done. Just a couple of wordplays to ponder. Don’t know about the ‘finds’ in 12 A. .. unless it’s a position indicator, like next to. Tricky clue – my head was spinning trying to think of NSW cricketers.

  8. Gayle:

    12A: the last 5 letters is another word for a way. It was also in a DA a few weeks ago, from memory.

  9. Yeah, got that, RobT. It was more of a comment on the finds as a position indicator for the two halves. But the more I think about it, the cleverer it seems .. as it’s also a hint towards the definition.

  10. This is ridiculous! I have everything except 13A. The second word seems obvious, but there are numerous possibilities for the first, none of which makes sense. Am I missing a slang term here?

    I don’t really see how 10A follows from the clue.

  11. 10A. Got what I believe is the answer from the definition and the other letters, but still trying to figure out the wordplay. Because there’s a homophone indicator and DA often seems to dance to a different tune, I’m wondering if it’s another example.
    It’s looking more and more likely. Especially if the pronunciation of both the solution and the epee are wrong . It’s got me – again!

  12. I was obviously not on form this morning, as the rest of the puzzle came out in 15 minutes (leaving me a little bored over lunch).

    I could use explanations of the wordplay in 13A and 28. Also, is the meaning of “Aspire” in 22 a common one?

    I had to do some Googling to confirm my answers for 6D, 15, 18 and 21.

    20 had me looking for a 3 letter word for servant to put inside RAGE.

  13. Rupert 22 D I saw the ‘aspire’ as the reversal indicator.
    28 A I saw as: another name for a quack (often quack doctor) – the latter part of the word only (lately) reversed (switched).

  14. Rupert, for 28 across look for a long word for quack GP, then play with that, making sure to focus.

  15. 28 A: I didn’t intend the dash as minus in my previous comment.
    the latter part of a synonym for quack reversed = adj for relating to birth

  16. OK, I get 28, I think.

    @Gayle (22), that’s what I thought “Aspire” was doing, I just haven’t seen it used that way before.

    @Gayle (10), the pronunciation of epee is irrelevant.

  17. Rupert – surely a Member of Parliament is a servant of the people?!

    (That’s what got me to the answer, and then I had to completely reinterpret the clue to see what he’d really meant!!)

    GeoffS – discard quietly, and you’re left with three letters…

    Can’t help with 13a wordplay though.

  18. 13 A I can see an anagram of so + apropos = about + ea embedded but can’t explain the escaping or drug.

  19. @Gayle: If you discard the P you’re left with triple E = homophone for the city in North Africa.

  20. OK I now have the whole thing done–either I’m getting better with practice, or DA is taking pity on us.

    I still don’t get the wordplay for 13A.

  21. GeoffS I can’t get the drug bit either, unless there are two drugs: E, which I know of, but A?
    And I can’t explain the escaping either, so maybe I’ve got the whole anagram wrong, and my guess of apropos + ea is purely a coincidence, – that’s happened before!

  22. 12 A My first thoughts were along the lines of anagram of so + synonym for unusual minus ca or re (about escaping) + ea.

    In this case, drug has to be the anagram indicator.

  23. @Gayle, that would work if unusual = APROPER, but it’s not showing up in the usual online dictionaries.

  24. Got 13A early. Don’t care why I can’t understand it.

    I am disappointed Gayle & Rupert have not lauded my hilarious 27A commentary.


  25. Feeling like a right 27A about 13 A. It’s starting to play like one. It doesn’t 17A. Think I need a 1A and a 29 A – or get out the 4D. My brain’s in 11A. A real 19A. Need a holiday in 15A and gaze at the 8D near the 21A for inspiration.

  26. RobT – It was really funny – almost as funny as the clue, and it took a lot of self restraint on my part not to say so, but I didn’t want to draw attention to it as it’s still early in the weekend – let everyone else have the fun of solving it first . Funny, I was just thinking while I was away having a cuppa about when to come back to your comment so everyone could join in the joke.

  27. RobT: Rupert said it much more succinctly – English understatement, a nod and a wink.

  28. Sorry, I’m a bit late chipping in today. 13a is “a pop,” meaning each, then e, inside so ra(re) (unusual minus about). He’s used a pop before.

    Do other people think 28a – essentially an indirect reverse hidden word – was unfair?

    Also 1a was misspelt; the first word, being italian, should have a double f.

    Robt: !a was hold = cup (the verb), ID for driver’s licence, the rest being the def. Complete enough.

  29. Ian, you’ve liberated me for the rest of the weekend. I thought of rare for the unusual minus about. But a pop – is that an indirect anagram as others have said DA doesn’t do?

  30. 1 A – correct or not in Italian – most places I’ve seen here spell it cafe.

  31. As I understand Ximenes, he says you can do anything you want to an indirect word except use it as anagram fodder, so 28A would be OK.

  32. And just let me clarify that I don’t think Ximenes is the be-all and end-all of crosswords, but his rules are generally considered fair.

  33. @ian: yes you are a few hours late but thanks anyway…try not to reveal all for the Melbournites.

  34. Ok, this is becoming a bad habit. Once again I find myself up in the wee-small hours of Saturday trying to sort out the last few odds ends of a DA puzzle. The fact that not one of the three of my missing answers has been discussed yet engenders feelings of both deja-vu and apprehension of the stupidity I’ll be feeling when three apparently simple clues are explained to me.

    So, any help with 12A, 2D and 8D?

    I don’t know who this fellow of Redding is, but suspect, based on Rupert’s googling, that his identity is important.

    On 8D, I think I have the beginning of the wordplay, but both my brain and my dictionary have been useless in completing the word.

    I can, at least, console myself with the knowledge that I managed to figure out the wordplay for 13A. Though not 10A: I thought that one was fantastic when you explained it, Rupert! Why do you always groan at the most delightful clues?

    RobT, rest assured I got a kick out of your rating of 27A. I’m going to orchestrate a situation in which i can use that line myself.


  35. @Fuddy, hope you got some sleep!

    12A: First four letters sound like a sea bird. Last 5 letters are apparently a way, though more commonly something you use to climb over a fence. The whole is something that spins when you enter the SCG in particular, and many other venues like it.

    2D: Dismiss like Donald Trump, label like cattle. The whole is a provocative orator.

    8D: Anagram of WITH followed by word for room reversed. The whole is waves.

    7D: Otis Redding was a singer, though only his first name is important in this clue.

    Groaning is the appropriate response to a pun. The better the pun, the louder the groan.

  36. Fuddy Ickers, well done for getting out 13 A – where were you yesterday?! It kept me awake when I could have been napping recovering from an injury. But as usual DA is a wonderful distraction.

    12A two homophones (loud) seabird+way

    7 D was good although I hadn’t heard of the answer and got it by looking up the definition. Fell into the trap of googling Lawrence Redding , but it’s Lawrence + Redding and they’re both snipped and wearing a loincloth. Another one for gold?

  37. @Gayle. 7D: I loved Sons and Lovers more than I liked Dock of the Bay but I knew them both so that was an immediate answer for moi. Also, I’m sure I’ve seen the word in prev SMH cryptics so am up the learning curve on that one.

  38. Rob T 7D I thought you blokes might groan at the wordplay. I thought it was really clever.

  39. Hi everyone
    Saturday morning and I’m just getting to it, despite not having to work at the moment (off on maternity leave). Thanks to Ian for explaining 12A clue, never would’ve got it. Thought 27A hysterical too. Also liked 29A. Thanks Rupert for the 12D etc clues. I thought Reding had one ‘D’…
    Can’t understand wordplay for 19A or 10A (despit explanation for latter), and have no idea about 26A. Can’t get 5D either despite having all across letters! Can’t get 4D or 18D. Help please!

  40. 19a: anagram of outsmarting, minus the t’s
    10a: epée without the p (quiet) would be triiple E, which sounds like Tripoli
    26a: stray is gad, fashion form the east is fad backwards, one is I
    5d: five letter word for log (as a verb), then one in a tin.
    4d: pitch is tar, and the books are the Old Testament
    18d: toned is fit, the singer is Paul Kelly, and it’s a spoonerism

  41. Rupert and Gayle, thank’s very much! In my late night stupor, I accidentally asked for 2D, which I already had, but, Gayle, you knew I meant 7D.

    I missed the reversal signpost in 8, was hung up on the thrush, known for its vocal talents, for a “loud bird”, and I failed to separate a nobody into a rainbow writer and a dock sitter.

    Usually this is where I thank you for allowing me to finally get some sleep, but I seem to have had plenty, waking, alarmingly (or not), at 1pm.

  42. Hi everyone. I’m late in as usual and I’ve done most of it. I really liked 17A, 27A and 24A was smart. I’m stuck in the bottom left corner. 13D should be easy and I think I have the first word correct S..E = basic but the second word has me tossed G..? And in spite of all the comments I don’t get 28A, mainly because, it seems I can’t think of another word for quack GP. I didn’t understand the word play in 16D and 11A either.

  43. slept in this morning too, so late start. still a few to go
    So far favourites are 10A 12A 14D and the brilliant 27A (was pleased to get this one early!)
    Have the answers but completely lost on the wordplay in 1A, 11A and 16D and would never have underestood 13A without the above comments.

    21A continues to frustrate, believe I have all but three letters (the 6th, 8th and 9th). Can make a word but if right don’t get the wordplay.
    A few others in the bottom half to go

  44. Conny,
    Tthe second part of 13 D starting with a G is a word for an expert,
    like top g _ _ or g _ _ shearer. The definition is a bit cryptic in itself. It’s not in the whole meaning an implement you commonly use in the office, more something a carpenter might use – maybe office people sealing large boxes.

    28 A it’s not only a quack GP, but a faker in general. The definition is pretty straight forward, and you might get it from that, relating to birth. Heard commonly in the term post _ _ _ _ _ depression, which I sincerely hope Alison won’t experience. Congratulations Alison!

  45. nn,
    21 A Have you got the Adelaide surveyor? + s + a trendy synonym for ‘in’.

  46. Gayle, yes I have the surveyor, one of the first things I got in the whole puzzle, which is why I’m so frustrated that I can’t get the rest of this one. Your explanation doesn’t fit what I have for the rest though. I have the last 4 letters as _H_ _ , do I have 14D down wrong? Surely there isn’t another singer that is an anagram of the same letters?

  47. Conny, 28 A The wordplay is to take the back end (lately) of the word for quack and reverse it (switched).

    11 A took me a while to get too, but I believe it’s:
    every second letter of ‘added’ + fever TB reversed (about) the centre (stardom) of ‘his’. The only problem with this explanation is I think there should be two words for about – about for the reversal and about for placing the B and the T around the letter I, or some embedding indicator.

  48. Got 23 now, thanks Gayle, had misinterpreted your hint as S + A followed by the synonym rather than S (plus a synonym). Not feeling well today. Was looking for something a bit more involved in this one as it says the surveyor is in the thing rather than at the start. Was trying to get the second part as a synonym of surveyor or of Bill (William).

  49. Also didn’t help when the first letter I got in 21A was the 7th and I’d decided that this was the part that contained the surveyor’s name rather than it appearing at the start. Wasted a lot of time with that one before I got13D and 18D which at least told me where to put his name.

  50. nn,
    You’re right about the _ H _ _. So it’s S from the apostrophe s after the surveyor ie S + H _ _ (3 letter word for ‘in’ , probably from the 60’s, like ‘cool’. There’s a lot of H _ _ people in Nimbin.

  51. groan just got 24A!!! As a maths teacher I’m ashamed I didn’t see the sign!
    Not clear on 20D the wordplay appears to be missing a letter A.
    3 to go
    17A, (have an answer that fits but can’ make any sense of it)
    23D Despite above discussion I’m completely lost on this one
    29A presume it is a food and in which case I have the second word. Have the first letter and second last letter of the first word but can’t think of anything that fits this either.

  52. Re 11A, the explanation is much simpler – “seconds” of each word after seconds!

  53. Conny and nn
    16D is complicated but I’ll have a go:
    definition is feminism which should give it away. I don’t know that ‘surge’ is necessary unless I’ve got the explanation wrong.
    ‘baby carrier’ is a nice clue, and it’s not a pram, but a part of a woman where babies are carried before they’re born, on the outside of the whole two word answer (outlines)
    ‘in the margins’ I saw as a word for margins embedded

  54. was happy I didn’t fall into DA’s trap of thinking 11A had something to do with the actor, I think I’m getting better at avoiding these, although I did spend some time googling Lawrence Redding.

  55. Also, 20D is simpler than it seems at first – a 3-letter word for hit, a 4-letter servant, put together makes fury!

  56. Kathy
    Thankyou!! I struggled with 11 A and was totally wrong! That’s often the way. Motto to self: if it’s too complicated there’s probably a simpler explanation.
    How did you go with 16D? Am I off the mark there too?

  57. I think you are on the mark with 16D Gayle – surge might indicate to mix up lines.

  58. Gayle I took ‘feminism surge’ as being the whole definition, i.e a feminism movement (surge is a movement). I like your explanation of the carrier, very clever.
    Now I understand the carrier I think the rest of it that is in the carrier is an anagram of lines, out being the anagram indicator. so we have the anagram of lines with a baby carrier in the margins, i.e. the carrier surrounds the anagram.
    Also a margin in your book is often a line, so nice interplay with surface reading?

  59. nn 23 D did you mean 22 D?
    29 A yes, it’s a food. another colloquial synonym for lift in the sense of steal, + clump of hair worn in a way that used to be common for grandmothers and maybe sumo wrestlers.

  60. thanks Kathy for 20D was trying to fit member of parliament (a servant of the people, which someone mentioned above) into Rage, but was missing a letter A

  61. Gayle, actually I’m stuck on both 22D and 23D. I had the hair bit in 29A and now thanks to your hint have the first word.

  62. Finished the beast (I think). Hurray! Don’t fully understand several of the clues, but everything fits. For nn above, 22d is Godot, and 23d is Pecan

  63. ok, got 22D now and understand it. Think I understand 17A, was heading completely down the wrong track with offending Tot and also with spot. Should have seen spot = AD, he’s used it often enough lately. Like the idea that someone expressed recently that this is a Nina (DA is TOPS). We all know he is, so not sure why he needs to keep emphasising it!

  64. Managed to finish before lunch with no outside assistance (for a change.) My only little quibble is that 29 A is technically a yeast good. Excellent, satisfying piece of work today.

  65. Thanks Alison, worked those two out as you were typing. Was on the wrong track with the sports nut, thinking it had something to do with a fan at first. Once I had 29A it leapt out at me. Kicking myself that I had the wrong interpretation here as I was munching on some cashews at the time!

  66. 22 D
    aspire is the reversal indicator; TO + 3 letter word for hassle, like to follow someone and annoy them like a terrier.
    The definition is a play (show) about someone that never came.
    I really liked this clue.

  67. Sue, the crash is a clatter. Nearly a crash is a clatte (r). Stick ‘a fe’ in it and you get cafe latte.
    Should really be caffe latte though!

  68. Please Trippers, talk cryptically, but don’t say what the word actually is! It spoils it for some of us still working on the clue.

  69. Think you’re making 16D too complicated. Feminism surge is def. Outlines is an anagram of lines. And baby carrier is around it “in the margins”

  70. @Ian> Do other people think 28a – essentially an indirect reverse hidden word – was unfair?


  71. I really enjoyed this puzzle. I thought it was one of the best unthemed DAs for a while. A couple of LOL moments and generally good clues. AS and I got it out over a bowl of pho tonight. 27a and 10a absolute gold.

  72. @MF Yep, I agree. In fact having said how much I liked the puzzle, I’d say that clue was the lowlight. Its a bit much taking only the back half of a synonym that is itself a bit of a stretch. The direct clue made it pretty gettable though, I thought

  73. A good one this week, I thought. Lots of good clues esp. CHARLIE SHEEN, MINUS, and WOMEN’S LIB. But I still have a few quibbles:

    Agree with others that 28A was ugly (NATAL).

    19A: I thought “timeless” to indicate removal of BOTH t’s in “outsmarting” was a bit dodgy.

    And two examples this week of specific clue –> general answer, without being signposted by something like “for example” or “say”. In 1D, “driver’s licence” –> ID; and in 12A, “SCG spinner” –> TURNSTILE. At least this latter clue has a “?” that is maybe meant to represent the specific–>general signpost.

    Still on 12A, I’m unsure whether “way”–>STILE (which doesn’t seem a particularly good synonym) or “way”–>”style”–>STILE, by vitue of homophone indicator “loud” (but that doesn’t quite work as the two words to be homophoned are separated by “finds”).

  74. Glad you mentioned that TURNSTILE clue — I thought the homophone indicator applying to the two words separated by finds to be really bad form.

    And as already mentioned, NATAL was just ugly.

  75. So no-one has a view on the whinge in my penultimate paragraph two comments above this one? Is the convention of signposting specific–>general with a “for instance” or “say” still alive? I haven’t done any crosswords other than DA’s in the last year or two so I can’t answer that one myself. As another illustration of what I’m saying, would it be acceptable to supply “Thames” or “Yarra” or “Jordan” as a clue for RIVER. I maintain that the clue should be something like “Thames, say”.

    Of course, going the other way (general–>specific) requires no signpost. So supplying “river” as a clue for THAMES is fine.

  76. I reckon I’d be OK with the river examples you cited because there is, what I consider, almost a synonymous relationship between the terms.

    “Head down to the river” and “head down to the Yarra” seem about right. If, however, the river referenced was the Maribyrnong, I’d cry bullshit — the link between Maribyrnong and river is too threadbare.

    I think that’s the same way I think about driver’s license and ID. They’re so synonymous in my mind that the general to specific link is not something I worry about.

    As for Sydney spinner and turnstile, I reckon that is a move from the general to the specific and the clue is technically correct. In my head, I was looking for things that spin at the SCG, which in this case happened to be a turnstile.

  77. RB and AS I’m having a bet each way on your above comments. I think Driver’s license = ID is a bit rough, probably should have “, say” or similar on the end to indicate that it is a particular example of the answer. However the rest of the clue was reasonably easy to get so equating them was ok once I had the answer (at least I could see what DA was on about, which isn’t always the case!) I was fine with the Sydney spinner as, like AS, I was looking for something that spins at the SCG. Was pretty sure it wasn’t a cricketer, so looked for other things.

  78. AS, in my hypothetical case about rivers, Jordan could be many things, including a country, a basketballer, or even a woman famous for her breasts!

    But let’s stick with the DA examples! I can only half agree with you on “SCG spinner”: I agree that “spinner” is general (actually it’s more of a cryptic/oblique definition, but I’ll accept your “general” designation). However, “SCG” is very specific. It could easily have been MCG, Gabba, etc etc. As for “driver’s licence”, as nn says, this is just one form of ID. I disagree that they are synonymous. Are you saying my wife has no id? (She doesn’t drive)

  79. RB, I’m happy with SCG spinner == turnstile. For me, “SCG spinner” meant someone or (in this case) something that spins at the SCG — a turnstile certainly meets that definition. So that one’s okay; and the cuteness makes it quite good, in fact. In contrast, as nn says, “driver’s license” == ID is a bit rough. (Actually, I’d use harsher language than that, but I will refrain …)

  80. RB…where would the fun be if ‘SCG spinner’ were disallowed? I love tossing around the possibilities in my head, and eventually coming up with the right image.

  81. RobT, you make a very good point. But I have been of the opinion that specific clues (well, OK, only the first part of “SCG spinner” is specific) leading to a general answer should carry a signpost. So, in this case, something like “spinner at the SCG, say” would conform to that requirement. Not nearly as snappy a surface reading, I grant you, but some would say that sacrificing clue integrity to achieve better surface is a sin. Now, DA is libertarian, so we can expect some broken rules. And I’m not even sure the specific-to-general signpost is commonly adhered to by other setters, anyway. That’s why I raised this issue.

  82. RB,
    I think you misunderstand about what it means to be a libertarian crossword compiler. It doesn’t mean you can break the rules, it means you may work on the fringes as long as the fundamental concepts of fairness and soundness are maintained. The libertarian tag doesn’t give you open slather. “SCG spinner” clearly needs something to indicate that the answer isn’t specific to the SCG, otherwise the solver will be looking for something that isn’t there, which would fall into the unfair category IMO. “driver’s licence” = ID falls into the unsound category IMO.


  83. Stig, I am of the other school, probably. I don’t think “SCG spinner” needs anything else. To me, it’s anything that might appear at the SCG. And, to my mind, SCG need not be the Sydney Cricket Ground…it could be Stuart C.G. McGill who is a spinner.
    I don’t at all mind being asked to thing outside the oval…in fact, it’s something I prefer about DA that I seldom meet the other SMH crosswords.

    Jeez I hate the word “say” after a clue. I think “does he thing I’m an idiot”…I don’t need an extra hint?

  84. I agree RobT. On both counts. Even though that particular clue got me .. it’s having to be open to a range of possibilities, with sometimes unconventional (or missing) signposts, that makes DA enjoyable.
    Stig, for me, these DAliberties add to the debate and the fun , as in this thread – and in turn to a shared knowledge of the ‘rules’, and an interesting challenge in attempting to define the boundaries – where to draw the line in the sand.
    It’s like the colours on the spectrum – they’re not a scientific fact, but bound by words and cultural perceptions.

  85. If these DAliberties were generally solveable in their own right, I might agree with you. More often than not, they are derived either through intersecting letters, by working back from the answer, or coming to a forum like this where someone else has managed some deciphering. This in contrary to the whole concept of cryptic solving IMO, where there should be two separate solveable ways to the answer.
    It’s easy to determine whether this sort of cluing is fair and/or sound. Ask the 95% of regular cryptic crossword doers why they don’t attempt to solve such clues.


  86. To be honest, Stig, right now I’m getting quite frustrated with this week’s DA … for pretty much the kind of reasons you’ve outlined. But I imagine I’ll come back next week for some more punishment and the odd delight. Someone’s probably doing their PhD in finding a mental aberration common to DA Trippers. Just as useless and quirky as doing DA crosswords! When I first attempted DA I used to think he was a mean old man in an attic devising nasty things to do to people – then I heard him and read his book and saw the humour. It seems that a lot of DA doers also fall into the 95% of the regular doers.

  87. I think of a crossword as a game played between setter and solver. The point of the game being that the solver is supposed to be able to win, but only after a certain amount of thought and a flash or two of inspiration. Clues that can only be solved one way (like NONSENSE, a couple of weeks ago) can be part of this, so long as the other parts of the clue are easy enough. Needing the cross letters is fine by me – that’s why we have a grid rather than just a list of clues.

    Obviously, for this to work, the setter must have a target audience in mind. DA presumably has a mental picture of a solver who knows both the Premiers of Victoria back to foundation and the current crop of super models, and who enjoys a slightly blue joke.

  88. I have just discovered this site – we have only been attempting the SMH cryptic crosswords since Easter and so are struggling at times, usually on a Friday.

    Is it too late to ask how 17A Spot fool offending tot? (3,2) = ADD UP? I saw the post about ‘spot’ meaning AD which was a revelation to me.

    It was great to find the site as at last the ‘triple e’ clue now makes sense!

  89. @Robin: A ‘spot’ could be an advertising spot within a program, for example, and hence the connection. And then Dupe = fool, but take the end off it (“offending” hardy har har) to get “dup”. QED.

    Welcome aboard. I only got here a few weeks ago myself. There seem to be a lot of similarly-afflicted personnel here.

  90. Thanks! It’s a roller coaster ride – I can get all clues right some days and think I am getting it, and then of course Friday comes round…

  91. Stig, I also get very frustrated when I need to rely on pre-existing letters to guess the answer. But with DA there is always a way to ge the answer another 2 ways. Otherwise I suspect DA would commit hara-kiri.
    The way I see it is (i) if I need to rely on other letters then it is MY lack of vocabulary or life experience, not DA’s, and/or (ii) if I rely on pre-existing letters then that’s quite a legitimate way of getting to the answer ‘cos I’ve elveraged off my prior superlative work.
    In any case, if I don’t get 100% out I don’t kick the cat, I just smile when I see what the answer actually was, and wait for next week.

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