Confused by the Easter DA (22/23rd of April, 2011)

Confused or perplexed by the Easter DA? Unsure which of confused or perplexed you might be? Unsure whether or not there’s indeed a difference between the meaning of confused and perplexed?

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69 thoughts on “Confused by the Easter DA (22/23rd of April, 2011)

  1. I’m confused and perplexed and a little put out. The Age crosswords got bigger this week, but the Saturday DA in today’s Life & Style is the same minuscule size as always. Dashed are my hopes that I would not have to do DA wearing my glasses.

  2. Some early birds added their comments to last week’s confusions thread…not ideal but, then, the early bird catches the word.

  3. Melb Age prints it on a friday so can start when the rest of you do!
    (we’ll probably get another copy of it again tomorrow, not sure why they do this when there is a holiday).

    Not thrilled with 18A, this thing is hardly a giant so if it is an &lit, it is a poor one.
    Also 20D wordplay is a bit off, shouldn’t it be plucked AFTER, rather than IN?

    Quite like 26D, hint for 15A anyone?

  4. 15a I have an answer which is a sort of forest blanket, but have no idea how the farmer’s plot fits in

  5. Got 15A now, had to resort to dictionary, had never heard of that definition for a farmer’s plot before. This despite the fact that one of my ancestors had a farm of that name, now I now what it means (even if it is almost a tautology).

    Have the top half done now, just a few gaps in the middle of the bottom bit to go.

  6. Liked 25 A and 28A.
    robt
    4D (continued from 15/16):
    Start with the second last letter and read five letters up…. for the bars. The remaining 4 letters give the spring. Took me a while to get it, but can’t see anything else now.

    8 D were you being ironic? My’explanation’ was a bit limited but I’m mindful that this is a long weekend and maybe some – like me! – were hoping to have a leisurely time doing DA and it’s turned out to be not even a one day crossword, let alone a 5 day one. Enjoyed it all the same.

    Could I have some help with the second part of 10A please. Got the loud gents retiring and half of the definition, but stuck.

  7. Gayle 10A slip = a mistake, inside a synonym for smooth (as in take the bumps off eg a piece of wood)

  8. just got 25A, DA had me on the wrong track with towers (I’m awake to flowers now after seeing it many times, am kicking myself that I didn’t pick up towers!)
    just two to go now!

  9. Ah, thanks nn! for 10 A

    robt 8D I was tickled pink when I got it. Got really put off by the does X, thinking it was delete an X, or insert ten, or vv or something.
    Liked that DA used ‘she’ for a word which isn’t gender specific – unless he’s sterotyping, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.

    Don’t get the wordplay in 24 A. I’m afraid to go there . Am I going to have another mispronunciation moment?

  10. 25A yes, me too. Had me googling the world’s skyline for a while. Really liked that clue.
    This week’s got a couple of those traps.

  11. Hi Gayle
    I’m with you on 24A, even with the mispronunciation, I don’t get what the first word has to do with cricket. (have a famous cricketer homonym for the second word, but first word has me lost, unless this guy played another sport with a much smaller ball too???)

    8D I’m wondering if DA used she as a hint for DOEs? Like you I was very pleased to get this one out and really enjoyed it.
    Other favourites 11A, 15A (now that I understand it), 25A, 16D and 26D.
    And now I’ve spotted the hidden word in 22A I think that one is very clever, was just assuming it was a double definition at first, but it is more than that.

    Had a bit of trouble with 20D at first as I had the wrong answer for 19A (I was going with SHED at first, but couldn’t work out what the ED had to do with it). Finally worked out 20D and then corrected 19A.

    Only other one I’m not thrilled with is 18A as I would describe this as a medium size of its type rather than a giant, but then that would mess up the anagram.

  12. Gayle,
    24a will give you a mispronunciation moment. The second bit is ok but there is a difference (IMHO) in the way the first word is pronunced and the way the clue reference is pronounced.

  13. 24A. Can’t leave it be. The hero of Australian cricket is okay. But not the sport.
    So three letters are similar, but not the vowel. Does pump sound like pomp?
    I like the clue otherwise, just don’t agree with the homophone indicator applying to both words, when one sounds like .. and the other is a true homophone. Unless I’ve got this completely wrong.

  14. nn,
    The first part has nothing to do with cricket. Give voice to sport (and then separately) hero of Aust Cricket .

  15. nn yes, I got the she does too – I agree it was probably deliberate. Either way DA couldn’t win – to be accused of stereotyping or not being helpful.

  16. 24a Thanks Peta. Hadn’t thought of it as two separate things (with the first being a good walk wasted). I think this makes the clue even weaker. Perhaps we could come up with something better? My own first attempt “Bush causing strife by voicing appreciation of a bird?”

  17. Should also admit I spent ages trying to work out how Mark could be the first word of 24A!

  18. 18A I don’t know how to describe that type of clue although the exclamation mark tells us something. The way I see it there’s interplay between the definition and the wordplay. I see the definition as ‘sort in sea’ which would get around the quibbles above on its size. And then the wordplay is the whole clue.

  19. 18A Gayle you could be right, although “sort in sea” isn’t a great definition. (What type of sort or a sort of what?) What is disappointing about this one is that it is almost a great clue. If the answer was one of the largest of its type it would be brilliant. On the other hand, the clue was certainly enough to get the answer, once I had a few other letters and had stopped searching for different types of whale!

  20. Sorry nn, just saw your earlier comment about a &lit and size. It’s probably okay as &lit + question mark. It’s bigger than a lot of things at sea.

  21. From an internet source (see 29A) comes the following:

    “A rare clue type is the “& lit.” clue, standing for “and literally so”. In this case, the entire clue is both a definition and a cryptic clue. In some publications this is always indicated by an exclamation mark at the end of the clue.”

    So I suspect that 18A is a &lit clue although, as pointed out, the “giant” bit , while essential to the wordplay, is not literally true.

  22. Peta. DA describes the &lit in his book in a similar way. He also states that the exclamation mark is an indicator, so I’m sure he intended it as one. If it isn’t an &lit, then it probably lacks an adequate definition. Pity about the giant bit. It isn’t a giant sort of sailing ship, there are plenty of others that are (or were) much bigger.

  23. 12A Wonder if that was DA’s (or his editor’s) response to the comments about crazy porn stars last week?

  24. HAS 1A retrievers can be golden, so we have AU and I (from one) mixed in with a canine and a sheep.

    Sas 18A our quibble is with the word giant. None of us thinks that one of these is properly described as a giant of its type. This spoils an otherwise excellent clue.

  25. Thanks nn – it was the AU that I couldn’t work out.
    Altogether a fairly easy for Easter crossword from DA I thought.

  26. Stats for today’s DA:
    Solve time: 41 mins (average for a 31-clue unthemed DA)
    Liked: Colonial towers – I used to work in one, so loved this clever clue. The @lit at 18A was special – as @lit clues are so hard to craft, I think some latitude in the def is OK. 22A another decent @lit, if not spectacular. Chuckled at 5D.
    Disliked: The double def ‘head lounge’ was not so great.
    Rated: 8/10

  27. I agree that there’s a niggling difference in pronunciation between the intended homophones in 24A, but I also remember being in yr3 when the event was all over the news, and wondering what the strife had to do with the sport.

    Despite everything that’s been said about 15A, I still don’t get it. I’ve been putting off visiting the forum, certain that I’d get this last answer, but I seem to be lost in it. Any more hints?

    Love 5D
    Want to love 18A, but I’m afraid I have to agree with nn and others.

  28. Boniface
    22A If that an &lit? Or is there something hidden in a double definition?

    14 A Don’t mind the double def. The head part is a fairly common slang term, especially in the phrase “use your …… ” (or am I just showing my age?)

  29. Fuddy Ickers
    Not sure if it’s the wordplay or the definition you’re after:
    3 letter word for ‘farmer’s plot’ + 7 letter word for ‘to wave’ = 4,6 solution.
    Rob T gave the 3 letter word. The 7 letter word is a less common word for wave.

    The definition is something which covers the ground underneath trees.

  30. robt wow, that’s interesting. I’m older than you but I’d imagine Boniface, a former colonial tower-y, is probably older than me and has heard of it. Although they might have used stronger language than ‘use your …’ in those crews when somebody messed up or didn’t understand an instruction.

  31. @RobT and Gayle. I’m just a few years older than RobT and was often told to “use your ….” by my parents when I was young.

  32. Hey nn! It’s good to know I’m not alone. Started to wonder there for a while what microcosm I came from – DA does that to me sometimes, but I usually put it down to being a Queenslander. It’s always interesting to learn something new though on DA Trippers – as well as fun with other word-nuts.

    PS (quietly)I think robt and RobT are two different people.

  33. Thanks Gayle! Got it! I’d considered the answer at length yesterday, but couldn’t make it fit the first half of the clue. My brain must just have melted from over-staring.

    For what its worth, I’m with you on 14A; my mind went straight to the “use your…” idiom when I got to this clue. I wonder if anyone ever uses the answer in any other context anymore.

  34. I have mixed feeling about this weeks offering. Like others I thought 5D was the best – as is common with DA, his literal meanings are often more devious than the word play. Also enjoyed 18A and can forgive DA for the problem pointed out by nn (22/4 13:20). For me it was a clever &lit.

    But I would have to object to 24A, and in 28A either DA mucked up his spelling or I’m interpreting the clue wrongly (probably the latter!).

    I learned a new definition for 19A but think the clue would be better with “before” replacing “at”.

    Overall though I enjoyed it.

  35. Well, here I am late as usual. In spite of all the comments, I still can’t figure out 25A. I’ve got the first word starting with D and ending with K. Can this is correct?I also haven’t sorted out 6A and 8D, in spite of helpful comments.

  36. mrigeoy,
    28A – the “picking up” is an indicator of “sounds like” so the spelling is wrong but it’s not mucked up.

    Conny,
    25A doesn’t start with D. In the def, the tower is not a tall structure. A doer is someone who does, a tower is something that …
    6A is a brand name. The sleuth could be Thomas Magnum ..
    8D “does” in the clue – think do,re,mi,fa,sol.la te.do and Sound of Music

  37. mrigeoy
    28A the way I saw that was: picking up = sounds like/homophone indicator, operating on the reversed word for dummy, rather than the solution.
    And then it’s only in one’s imagination because it’s not a real word. So it’s doubly odd. Haven’t seen – or heard – that before. Was it DA having a bit of a joke? Hence the question mark and the reference to 25 across for the definition.

  38. It’s the reason my wife and kids insist I leave the house 5 days per week.

    Thanks Gayle.

  39. Gayle and Peta, thanks for your clarifications on 28A. That makes a lot more sense!

  40. Thanks for help with 6A and 8D but I’m still not sure how the clues work. I don’t know who the sleuth is and I can’t see where the first two letters of 8D come from.
    Meanwhile 17D and 22A have me foxed. Can anyone please give me a hint?

  41. 6A Sleuth (2 letter abbrev) snared (indicates put outside) agents (of the sales variety) (4 letter abbrev)) flicking cap (drop first letter of word for agents).
    8D Crime (in the eyes of the church) (3 letters) out south (drop the S) leaves the 2 letters you want
    17D The states are abbreviated and from another part of the world. The spy is fictional
    22A The answer is in plain sight in the clue.

  42. Gosh, thanks, Peta. What a dope I was with 22A. I actually had that word written in but couldn’t confirm it was correct! Thanks for 8D. I should have seen that also . Thanks for the rest also.
    Now I’ve completed it!

  43. Conny, 6A isn’t a particular sleuth, just a two letter abbreviation for a private investigator containing an abbreviation for a member of the lower house of federal parliament with the first letter removed.
    First two letters of 8D are a word for doing something bad with the first letter removed.
    17D the spy is 007 following abbreviations for two US states.
    22A is a hidden word, a type of plant.

  44. @Gayle – I’m not yet 40 but have definitely heard of loaf as head (I read the dictionary, you know!). My criticism with this clue was that taken together, the definition elements don’t create an interesting picture. It’s more a lacklustre clue than a bad one. And therefore not typical DA.

    @Conny – With 25A, your K is OK but your D is dud. 6A was originally used to cure dyspepsia. With 8D, ask What does ‘does’ mean?

  45. Boniface, my apologies. I take your point about the head lounge double def clue – it could have been a more interesting combination. I was more interested in your comment which I read as that you were a colonial tower-y – or did I get that wrong too? – and didn’t realise they were so recent – having grown up around them in the country.

  46. @Gayle – In my case, I used to work at the Colonial First State office tower in Sydney – a great clue with a very sly def.

  47. Not sure whether any of this has already been stated, but here we go:

    14A: I believe “loaf” is (Cockney) rhyming slang for “loaf of bread” = “head”

    1A: I thought Au dog for “retriever, perhaps” was a stretch too far.

    24A: I think DA has used gulf/golf as homophones before. And I didn’t like it then either! Nor do I like war/Waugh as homophones.

    6D: Didn’t like “extreme politician” = PN. To get both ends of the word (i.e. P and N) I reckon a plural (e.g. ends/extremes) is required.

    21D: “lilac fringes” is surely LC not CL. Seems to me DA is having a double use of “climbing”.

    A few good clues though e.g. 10A, 12A, 5D, 8D.

  48. Boniface – got it now. Never thought of those Colonial Towers. My Qld rural limitations again.

    RB – agree with your comments above on each of those clues, and I’m not happy about inaccurate homophones either , but I don’t see a problem with war/Waugh. They’re identical phonetically for most Australians, unless spoken with non native accents where the final /r/ in war is not silent.
    /w + long vowel/ – the same as the one in door, and daughter

  49. Can someone help me with 22A?

    I haven’t had much time for this puzzle, what with driving down to Wellington for the weekend (nearly half way back – currently waiting to start a wine tour around Napier). Thanks for the hint on “tower”, whoever it was. That, and looking through a list of Tasmanian towns (I was stuck on on MARE for the second half of 18D) got me all but one.

  50. Never mind on 22A. I found the hints above (curse the tiny screen on this netbook!).

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