DA Confusion for March 18/19th, 2011


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68 thoughts on “DA Confusion for March 18/19th, 2011

  1. I have a feeling this thread will be busy this weekend. There are several obscure words, and a couple of not-in-my-household household names.

    I believe 18A is one of those names. I can’t get it from the word play. Anyone got a hint?

    I’m also stuck on 20D. A hint there would be appreciated, too.

  2. 18a: He says contrarily son going round the twist. Try the twist going around the son.
    20a: It’s a tree. Rare is rare as in steak, but it’s not red.

  3. Thanks, Ian. I hadn’t heard of either, though that’s an occupational hazard of doing a foreign crossword ;)

  4. Got it out for the first time ever. Time to celebrate! Couldn’t figure out 17A until I looked here and saw that nobody else was puzzled. That gave the game away–it had to be obvious. I must say I had never heard of the lady before.

  5. I was going to ask Rupert what country he was in, but now I have to ask GeoffS which planet!

  6. @Alison: I appreciate the compliment, but Ian has had to help me over the last hurdle at least three times in the last month.

    @Ian: I’m in NZ, though originally from England, where I was weaned on Guardian cryptics.

  7. OK, so I need some starters. Have 17 and 25A, they were easy. Guessing on 20D from clues but not sure I’m right. 3D, 4D (is this just an anagram?) and 6D clues please?

    Is 5 D a country that’s just had a major disaster?

  8. Ooh ooh I’ve got 6D but can’t figure out wordplay. Managed the ‘set up on canvas’ though. Can’t get 18A even with the clues above.

  9. Alison,

    14A is a charade beginning with a two-word synonym for “old pun”;
    1A is relatively obscure, both in the solution and in the clue. The clue is asking you to combine two people’s names;
    8D – Start by asking where you might keep a real horse.

    The answer to the question about the movie is ‘no’.

    Also, congrats Rob and Geoff! I was one solution (20D) away from my first complete DA. found it on Google, but that’s cheating. Months of lurking on this forum are paying off.

  10. 18A: This person founded a bank (one of the first) in Victoria then disappeared in the Solomon Islands.

    Trying to explain 6A, it turns out I don’t have it right either. I was working on the lines of:
    6A: hits = RAPS, back => SPAR; hook = TRAP, not sure why it’s back, but => PART; set up = RINGER, around => RINGPARTER.

  11. 6D To be honest, clues like 3A and 6D, I find take up lots of time disproportionate to the pleasure of working out all the wordplay, usually big contrived anagrams, after getting the answer largely from the definition and filling in the gaps.
    Having said that, it’s got me hooked, and I still don’t get it after Alison and Rupert’s help.

    6D I have the solution and definition as ‘he hits back’. I’m thinking around canvas = PART (tarp reversed).

  12. 3D – got the solution and the salute and awe bit but not the top half of the wordplay.

  13. 3d: what’s a two word expression for tame, as you would a horse?
    6d: it’s spar for hits back, entrap fornhook, reversed, ring = canvas, then R

  14. Iinterestingly 22A is given as a synonym for canvas in the thesaurus.
    Liked 22A, 15 A and 9 A for their construction. 12 A and 2D were little teasers. And 25A and 26 A brought a smile.

    And could I have some help with 22 D please? Got the solution and the ‘110 outlined’, ie C _ _ _ X. Initially I wasn’t sure if the definition was ‘verses’ or ‘classic key’. Could be either? But I only see one (kind of) verse in there. Am thinking that the middle three letters is a synonym for (classic) poem in central (key) position. So does that make verses the definition, and if so, is it a good one?

  15. Ah Ian, thankyou for ‘tame’ in 3D I should have had another coffee and I might have got it. I take back what I said – it’s a good clue and no anagrams.

    Still working on 6D – going to get that coffee now. So what’s the definition if hits back is in the wordplay?

  16. Gayle it is the obvious poem in the middle of the C…X , The answer is a key, in the way that the Rosetta Stone was the key to understanding Hieroglyphics

  17. 22d: think of a three letter word for poem and insert it between those two letters. Not sure I agree with the definition; strictly speaking, it refers ton a book bound in the modern way, as opposed to a scroll.

  18. Thanks David H, so ‘classic key’ (not just key) is the definition and verses = (parts of the whole) poem. My first thoughts, but I got stuck on the singular/plural instead of part/whole.

  19. Yes, 22D is really interesting, been on a google trip and it’s all of the above – Ian’s and David H’s explanation + more.

    Thanks Ian for 6D – our posts crossed there.

  20. 18a is a very famous figure from 19th century Australia of whom I’d never heard. He says “contrarily sends son round the twist.” Try a four letter word for twist around a three letter ward for son. Should be easy with the cross letters

  21. Ian he can’t be that famous if none of us have ever heard of him!
    I would never have got it without the hints about the bank and Solomon Islands, but even with them needed Google. Am wondering how you managed to get him in the first place.
    Have a bit over half of them now, some help with12A and 22A would be good

  22. and have an answer for 1A that is a letter that is still in current use (especially to physicists), although I guess it is old in the sense that the civilisation that used (and still uses) it is an old one

    9D gave me a bit of trouble at first, couldn’t get Melbourne Herald-Sun to fit into 6 letters at all!

  23. neither Ben’s are that well known down south.
    Just worked out 22A, never heard of the word, but the clue is a beauty! (even though it completely stuffed up my answer to 20D

  24. Thanks, Ian, for help with 18 ac. Finally got it. Never heard of him, but Google is a wonderful thing.

  25. got 7d wordplay now, missing the obvious anagram indicator!
    Not clear on the wordplay in 17A, in particular what does Gosh mean?
    otherwise all done. Favourites were 11A, 4D 22A and 26A. Big groan when I finally got 8D

  26. Deryn, I thought you might have been thinking of Ben Hall, but it seems there were two 18a’s; the entrepreneur who founded the Royal Bank of Australia, was a major squatter and went bankrupt, finally dying in the Solomons, and the bushranger who coined the name Deniliquin.

  27. nn @ 12:44: We use that letter in computing, too. Borrowed from mathematics, it is roughly equivalent to an anonymous function – one you define when you need it, rather than beforehand (and thereafter referred to by name) as is more usual.

  28. I have had an enjoyable time with this one. I really liked 26A and 1A.
    I am still puzzled by 19A, 22A, 20D and 18D. In spite of the helpful comments above.
    I’ve written 10A and 2D but not sure how the clues work.

  29. Had to google. Never heard of that entrepreneur, but get the wordplay. Don’t understand wordplay for 3D. Don’t understand second part of wordplay for 18D. Not as hard as usual, I think I got about half of it without having any clues because no-one was querying last night when I was attempting it!! – thanks, alison

  30. Conny
    19 A Think of where the policemen/women’s beat might start.
    22 A has a distractor – there’s a famous Trojan in there – not Trojan horse – I went down the wrong path in the beginning thinking it might have been an indicator – like (computer) virus. Felon hems = a common slang word for a criminal enclosing the other clues. Horse cloth is the definition.

  31. Conny 10A is a child’s toy you spin plus slang word for threads (clothes). Answer is a TV show.

    2D split it into two words (3,2) for the word play. The clue is “A” in a similar vein to 1A

    20A is a type of tree. wordplay is a colour indicating rare (in cooking) surrounding A O = a ring

    18D first name of film bloke Luhrman followed by a group to help problem drinkers followed by (R)ight

  32. Alison:
    3d: break in, then an anagram of awe in toast
    18d: the problem drinkers are AA

  33. No explanations required (a rarity for me), and just one complaint. 18D was illegitimately constructed. “The fair Luhrmann” would have been legitimate and equally challenging.

  34. Thanks nn for your assistance. All clear now! and I agree with AG above,
    although ” to be fair” is , after all, fair enough!
    I am still puzled by 3D. Although I have it written in [ the effect of working hard?] I get the fist bit ‘ tame’ but I can’t see where the salute is and the shock, although I seem to have ‘awe’ there.

  35. I think AG has a point regarding the legitimacy of the construction of 18D clue. But I’m prepared to forgive DA for such a ripper clue! I thought the definition was beautifully hidden, but I concede some might think it unfair!

    Re 6D wordplay: this took me a while to work out. I agree with Ian (March 19th 08:28) and Peter (March 19th 16:25).

    Here are my quibbles:
    1A: why did DA use “I” in the clue and not the more grammatically correct “me”? The only reason I can think of is that DA’s grammar is sometimes dodgy.
    21A: another example of DA going from the specific in the clue (Taronga) to the general in the answer (zoo) without using something like “for example” or “eg”. Is this acceptable practice? Should I cease whinging about it? Thoughts, anyone? I concede my requirement would have made the clue surface very clunky, but some things should not be sacrificed just to aid the surface. Is this one of those things?

  36. I think Taronga => ZOO is fine, particularly in the wordplay. I would find the reverse nearly impossible.

  37. I can’t believe no one has lauded 6D as a great clue. Has anyone noticed that ’23-down’ can also read as 23 people knocked down, not to mention how well the the whole thing relates to the answer with the wordplay and the straight meaning.
    I personally think it’s one of my favourite clues ever.

  38. Taronga! Put in for NSW puzzlers, clearly. Took me a little longer to make the connection.
    Thought 6D was too complicated to be a great clue, my favourites this week were the simpler 13 and 19. Liked the linked 1A&D too.
    Spent far too long trying to make (Alan) Bond fit into 18A, especially with the down letters seeming to point that way, but suspect I wouldn’t be alone in this.
    Wouldn’t have made the connection threads= clothes without help from here.

  39. RB, I agree regarding 1a -” essayist & me” would have been much more elegant (and grammatical). Not quite so fussed about Taronga but took a while to recall it was a Sydney zoo.

    This was the first in a while I couldn’t quite finish – knew 2d had to be alpha but couldn’t work out why. Now that I understand it (thanks nn above) i think it is a very good clue indeed. I hadn’t heard of Ben Boyd (like many it would seem) and couldn’t quite get the wordplay.

    I got 16d as “sycophant” but still cannot get the wordplay – maybe I am missing something very obvious (ie it hasn’t been raised by anyone else) but I would appreciate some help.

  40. JK, re 16D – “will not” = SHANT; “ape raising foot” = COPY (with last letter raised to front) = YCOP.

  41. Did the crossword on the flight from Brisbane to Melbourne seemingly stumped only by 22A which I had never heard of. I had “cop this” for 19A (Where (or when) beats start: I thought that this was amusingly plausible), believing 20D to be She Oak (never heard of “Pin Oak”).

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