71 thoughts on “DA Confusions for the 4/5th of March, 2011

  1. 2D: I think I get the nature of the wordplay, but I can’t find a word meaning “Persuade” that fits.

    4D: Again, the wordplay eludes me (assuming I have the answer right).

    Otherwise a fun puzzle, challenging without being too challenging! No real groaners, but no outrageously bad ones, either.

    I did like 17.

  2. 2d: word for persuade, first letter changed (warmed up) to produce a word for bluff
    4d: subtraction anagram – need to toss a couple of letters before re-arranging.
    8d my fave

  3. @Ian, thanks.

    2D: That’s what I thought, but I can’t think of the word for persuade.

    4D: Ha! I though “disputing toss-up” meant a homonym for tie (or tied).

  4. I had the answer wrong after all. A few minutes in the thesaurus put me right.

  5. 8D Help please. Going red-eyed from googling wine lists. Trying for anagrams on Charles/ie/ey son/two. Or am I on the wrong path? Must be, there’s a not in there.

  6. 10 A Is this another mispronunciation? or a variation?
    Got 8D now from filling in the gaps. What a mean clue! But agree with Ian. .. It’s good once you’ve got it.

  7. 10A or is that what the ‘outspoken’ indicates – ie mispronounced. I’m not familiar with this form of the slang? abbreviated? word for charlatan.

  8. @Gayle: 10A is a mispronunciation. Prosecuted is the definition, the homonym is for a sort of pretentious person that has (or used to have) its own corner in Private Eye.

  9. Thanks Rupert. Had the definition but didn’t know the wordplay/reference. Just for fun went on to Private Eye and I’m wondering if DA was there first. Private Eye at 50 Wed 2 March headlline ” The most (10A prosecuted) in Britain”. And in the article was the phrase 3D.

  10. I would have expected to see: “Certainly an error to rely on getting memos back in confused issue about most of take. (6, 4, 7)” if DA had been taking inspiration from Private Eye.

  11. Thankyou Rupert .. …. another puzzle when I’d finished DA early. It’ll probably take me forever to solve yours.

  12. Can anyone help me with 13D please?. Is it a Tv show with the European river inside a word like MING? And also if 25A is really a champ driver I think I’m stuck.

  13. Euopean river inside an old word for China. The word was also part of a double- barreled airline name at one time

  14. Connie, the whole of 13D is a part of a TV (at least it was up until recently). And the European river sounds smelly!

  15. @Connie, 25A does in fact turn out to be the name of an Australian Formula 1 driver. Once I confirmed that I didn’t bother to see what he’s won recently.

  16. Thanks Rupert. I get 13D. I thought as much about 25A but I don’t know any drivers. Does it start with WA…?

  17. Still stuck on 2D, despite Rupert’s and Ian’s best efforts above. Have everything else. Enjoyed 8D, 16A and 27A. I don’t pronounce the ‘charlatan’ word and the ‘prosecuted’ word in 10A as homonyms, but I almost certainly went to the wrong school. And, Conny, the W in 25A is part of the plug.

  18. Dave R, think of a word meaning persuade that starts with C. The “warm it up” until you have a word that starts with H meaning bluff (as a noun)

  19. Thanks, SK. Finally I twigged that changing from C to H equalled warming up. Problem is, we’ve lost those little lettered caps off our bathroom taps. Furthermore, ‘bluff’ is, I feel, inadequate as a definition of the answer word.

  20. 17A: is the “hanger-on” something you might wear on your back while bush walking? If it is, I can’t follow the clue.

  21. Stephen, I can see that now. thanks. I am baffled by 16A. I’ve got every second letter and it seems to be the rejected, but I can’t make sense of the clue.
    3D: although I’ve filled in the solution and i can see that it’s correct, I can’t see how the clue works. I can see ‘HUB” and “RIP” but not the rest.

  22. Conny, 16a – start with s in essential and end with e beer (put it in reverse) & 3d – the vessel is a synonym of pail.

  23. thanks teegee for the help with 3D. I was going wrong on “either hub”, but I am still baffled by 16A

  24. Hi Conny, the 3rd & 4th letter of either (the hub) inside the aforementioned synoynym of pail – hope this helps.

  25. Thanks teegee, I’m right with 3D now, it’s 16A plus 6A abd 23D and then I’m done!

  26. Hi Conny, 6A (up the -n-e) 23D part of the eye or almost celtic) and 16A read backwards from s in essential – gotta go and watch the mighty pies now, see ya.

  27. sunny day in melb at last, so didn’t start until after tea.
    Have most of it (I think) but stuck on 26A/11d (is it an anagram?) and 27A. Not sure if I have 14A right, which might be the cause of my problems with 26A
    Have some rather suspect answers for 1D and 1A, which, if correct leave me completely stumped as to what they have to do with the clue.
    Don’t get the wordplay in 15A or 25A (assuming I have the right formula one driver)
    Not entirely convinced by wordplay in 21A (and what has snaky got to do with it)
    ditto 12A, not sure what music has to do with it and if entails means chopping off the first and last letter of the previous word???
    Am assuming 22D is a person’s first name but don’t get the gutted fish bit, presume it is a species with a bit missing from the middle, but don’t know which fish.

    Did like 13D 17A and 8D

  28. @nn: 26/11 (hey, that’s my birthday!) is an anagram of “suits relevant any”, and is a famous person for whom suits are very relavant (though not a lawyer, which is where I first went wrong on this one).
    1D: Cut is the definition, and is the reverse (up) of the second letters of the other words.
    1A: Old = EX; greeting; dash (a little); tourist (every other letter);
    15A: Settle (definition). Paper (disparaging term for newspaper), wrapping means start at the second letter and wrap around to the beginning; about.
    26A: Initially won = W; contract = EBB; contained in indicator. F1 driver.
    21A: Snaky = the shape of a snake; containing information (last week’s dope); following a famous dead princess.
    12A: I agree. Entails means contains, but the noise being contained in the anagram of Seth Rogen is not music!
    22D: It’s a long, wriggly fish, often served jellied.

  29. 15A: Sorry – I got that wrong.
    It’s actually just [about] inside the name of a newspaper.

  30. If anyone’s followed Ian’s link it’s all there. Another temptation to resist!
    Have started having the Friday SMH DA delivered a) to make sure I don’t miss out, and b) so that I can get to it before Saturday. Newspapers and internet not allowed at work. Look forward to Fri eve/Sat am with DA. Leave Sat paper on the grass until I’ve done all I can with help from and fun with fellow Trippers.
    Eeks – recognise self in DA’s Puzzled! but do enjoy the distraction from work before weekend. It’s legal, healthy and cheap!
    Thanks for the link Ian, but am not going there – unless the housework is mounting up and am losing husband and other friends over being stuck on DA.

  31. 22D The solution comes readily to mind with Tasman, but I got a bit stuck on the fish wordplay until I realised that the definition was not Tasman sailor and that sailor is part of the worplay. Quite liked that one.

  32. 22D – usual abbreviation for sailor + gutted (letter missing) thing – what Rupert said.

  33. 2D Dave R – enjoyed your illustration of the hot and cold taps. Until then, even with SK’s help, I thought it was just an indicator to substitute the first letter. Thesaurus does give that definition for bluff. In fact I started looking for a mini theme when 24A and 2D appeared together. Guessed the answer to 24A for castle but didn’t know it as defraud and had to look it up.

  34. thanks Rupert and Ian
    had worked out 26/11 was anagram of suit’s relevant any and had Y_E_ for first word, but couldn’t think of any word with these letters. Wasn’t thinking of a person!

    12A was on the wrong track trying to fit bits of CAPER into it to get the last three letters. Didn’t equate any arrangement of ARP as anything musical at first, but wonder if it is an abbreviation for arpeggio? (certainly far more musical than RAP, which might be better described as Cockney music?!!

    As I suspected I didn’t have 1A correct which messed up 1D for me

    Have just bought DA’s puzzled, bit too busy to get into it at the moment, saving it for Easter holidays.

  35. Thanks for everyone’s comments which illuminate how some of the clues work. I am still puzzled about how a part of the eye gets from “Prosaic Murdoch”? I can see where it comes from “partly Celtic”
    6A: I am still baffled by this one. I have the word but I can’t see how the clue leads to it?

  36. I came over to this thread to ask for explanations for 2D and 4D, and found them (thanks, Ian) right at the top. Both actually very nice, although I’m not sure about toss-up when “up” doesn’t actually appear verbatim.

    My other complaint is that a cathode ray (without “tube” on the end) is nothing more than electromagnetic radiation, hardly qualifying as a “TV segment”. Not for the first time DA slightly sus on matters scientific/technical.

    Otherwise, I thought it a very clean and frequently very clever crossword clue-wise.

  37. Conny 6A worker = Ant, bearing is E (east) post (i.e after)
    AG cathode ray is present in the tv when it is on (showing???), I might be stretching it a bit here!

  38. Conny, Prosaic Murdoch is the definition. ie a writer named _ _ _ _ Murdoch. ( As opposed to other wellknown Murdochs.) Her first name happens to also refer to a part of the eye, as you say, and a flower.

  39. Thanks, Gayle. I worked that one out just after I put in the question as I buzzed out to do some pruning! I quite liked this crossword. I especially liked 8D, 17A and 21A, but I agree with comments on 12A, I can’t see where the music comes in.

  40. 22d thanks Gayle and Rupert. Was trying to think of a fish with all four letters in it. Had the sailor bit tied to Tasman as he was a sailor. Missed the obvious there!

  41. 23 D And the wordplay IMO is just great – largely Celtic – a large part of the word for one of the Celtic nations – where she was born, but honoured in Britain.

  42. 6A and (in case you’re not a gambler) the ante is the amount of money required to enter the game, usually thrown into the pot before any cards are dealt.

    23 I thought was going to be a bit subversive for DA when I thought of the Murdoch who owns some newspapers and shares a first name with me.

  43. Rupert, that would be the newspaper owner who is an anagram of THRUM PRODUCER. Using the definition of Thrum as “to recite or tell in a monotonous way”

  44. 12A: At the risk of revealing my Gen-Y status, I’m perfectly happy to accept RAP = music. At the very least, preferable to arpeggios!

    I got the impression DA was exploring his younger side this week, with that clue and the Seth Rogen reference in 12A. That is, until I solved 12A…

  45. I think that the Murdoch involved would be a bit miffed to find herself to be described as “prosaic” however much this is punnish [ sort of]

  46. Re 6A: I don’t quite get how “post in Monte Carlo” = ANTE. The closest I can get is that a post is a stake (ie an upright piece of timber) and another meaning of stake (esp in Monte Carlo) is (as Rupert says just above) ante. But there are too many steps in that logical progression. So what’s the real answer?

  47. Also, this must be the first time I’ve found a DA homophone OK when others haven’t! I am referring to the earlier comments about sued/pseud. Mind you I have never actually used the word pseud and can’t recall hearing it, but I assume it’s pronounced like pseudo without the trailing “o”. So, for me, sued and pseud are exact homophones. Anybody got a different pronunciation?

  48. RB 6 A nn gave the explanation in older comments
    ANT (worker) + E ( bearing after/post) There is a ? so DA must have thought the clue and/or definition a bit odd too.
    10A A couple of dictionaries give either pronunciation or both as variants. For me it’s not a homophone, but that makes me a /syoodo/

  49. Christina – thankyou for 12A! Another delightful clue. Hadn’t heard of Seth Rogen, until I looked him up on reading your comment. But now the whole clue + caper as he’s a comedian + rap goes on the list of great ones this week.

  50. 22D is interesting. I agree with the disection of the clue given above. However, prior to reading the column, I thought it was the guts of b****fish with the definition as “Tasman sailor.” Same answer, but not matching the clue as neatly.

  51. Some say that in rap music the c is silent.
    If you read Murdoch’s ‘Metaphysics as a guide to morals’ you would think that she was prosaic!

  52. Deryn, I much prefer the bablefish! I was assuming the definition was Tasman sailor and looking for a gutted fish (with the innards removed) when I first tackled that one but couldn’t come up with a fish starting with A and ending in L.

  53. @mrigeoy (from query in other thread)
    10A Chalcedony (type of quartz) anagram of cyclone had

  54. Thanks Gayle. It wasn’t the wordplay I was after (ANT+E): it was the alternative pronunciation that eluded me. I don’t know why – I’m sure I’ve heard “syoodo” before.

  55. RB If I now understand your comment re ANTE, I had it wrong. Your explanation with post in the definition = stake makes sense.

  56. oops! In my last comment (at 21:22) I managed to combine my two queries into one! My two original (and quite separate) queries were:

    6A: My best explanation for the definition of ANTE is that post = stake (upright piece of timber) and stake in Monte Carlo = ante (contribution to the pot before the cards are dealt). But this is a play on the word “stake”, which is not explicitly mentioned in the clue, and I always thought this was forbidden, even by DA. So I’m thinking there may be a better explanation than mine. For instance, is the word “post” using in casinos to mean “contribution to the pot”. I’ve tried googling but can’t find this meaning.

    10A: Alternative pronunciation for pseud, which you have now provided, Gayle – thanks.

  57. 6A: it’s also possible relevant that POST is the /opposite/ of ANTE, e.g. in AM and PM (M = meridiem = noon), but I don’t see anything to indicate this bit of wordplay.

  58. I’d just assumed post meant after as the bearing (E) is after the worker (ANT), I thought this was rather a simple wordplay clue until now, but it appears, in the light of the wikipedia entry and that post = stake, that it is much cleverer than this.

  59. I love all of the cleverness of the discussion above but in the end I think nn is correct.

  60. JK, it seems you’re opting for the Latin prefix explanation. If so, I cannot agree. Unless I’m missing something, ante and post are opposites, not synonyms (as discussed above by Rupert 13:27 and me 14:40). So, since ANTE means “before” which part of the clue is the definition? And what’s the relevance of “Monte Carlo”? That has got to indicate we’re talking about casino games.

  61. I agree RB, can’t see how ante meaning before fits anywhere in the clue as being opposite of post. Maybe just a coincidence.

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