DA Confusion on the 22nd/23rd of October, 2010

All your confusions you can list below and before long you’ll have your questions sorted out.

Update: I few perplexities, such as:

1 down: A Roman reformer turned a corner with copper aboard… (9)
Yep, calling Spartacus a reformer rather than a recalcitrant or some other such rebellious term was just shite, but how did SS manage to contain partacu? Aren’t we missing a containment indicator?

24 down: Did he design St Paul’s wings as well? (4)
Can this clue be salvaged?

23 across: Picked up soft cheeses for a picnic? (6)
I’m assuming the answer is breeze, but what’s the second cheese?

20 across: Pale-skinned loonie cancelled one yearbook (7)
How does this become almanac?

15 thoughts on “DA Confusion on the 22nd/23rd of October, 2010

  1. Peter, I can only assume that the substance concerned works on any living creature. Perhaps there is something that those cleverer than either of us haven’t missed. Got all but one out in relatively short time, but I would suggest (respectfully, of course) that 1D was not so much a reformer as a rebel, and that in 22A ‘suspect’ is a bit suspect as an anagram indicator.

  2. 28A Finally got it – a good joke. The first livestock goes with the fly. So the definition is ‘it de-creases’, ha, ha.

  3. AS: 1D: Surely the containment indicator is “aboard” i.e. on or in a ship i.e. contained within SS.

    24D: Not sure what your problem is here. It’s a bit lame, I agree. I think it’s referring to the fact that a wren is a bird and birds have wings, as do cathedrals, and maybe saints.

    23A: This was one of my favourites. Soft cheese = brie; soft cheeses = bries; picked up soft cheeses = breeze. I liked the definition “picnic”!

    20A: Pale-skinned loonie cancelled one = AL MANIAC minus I = ALMANAC

  4. I have a couple of queries:
    11A: Seems to me “say” is doing double duty here. “Entering a password” is but one example of “typing in” and so requires “say” to indicate this. But “say” is also the homophone indicator.

    12A: Not sure I fully understand this one. I think it’s:
    “Radical” = REFORMER
    “ex” = FORMER
    “note” = RE (as in do re mi)
    which means that “disclosed past” is the indicator to put FORMER after RE.
    Or is there another explanation, where “past” = FORMER?

  5. RB, I thought ABOARD = SS, so it can’t be doing the containment indicating as well.

    I can’t believe I missed 23A — I had brie in my head, just didn’t make it plural! Instead I tried to think of another cheese. Officially one of my most dunderheaded misses.

    20A is quite a goodie.

    On 11A, I took say to be a homophone indicator and thought ENTERING A PASSWORD = TYPE IN to be fine.

    On 12A, I took “disclosed past” to be the instruction to put FORMER after RE, as in FORMER is disclosed past (after) RE.

  6. And yes, I just thought 24D was very lame, so lame in fact that I thought something must have been wrong with my reasoning.

  7. “On board” is a real old trick telling you to put everything inside and S and an S, as if it were in a ship. It indicates both the letters and the containment. eg Incantations form cardinal on board (6) would be SPELLS

  8. Surely wren comes from Christopher Robin… ho ho. Christopher Wren, then. The bird who designed St Pauls.

  9. TT: Sorry, I didn’t mention Christopher Wren because I just assumed that, since AS was talking about the clue being ‘salvaged’ rather than ‘explained’, he must have got the reference to the architect, and was just complaining about the rather lame reference to ‘wings’.

  10. I agree with the consensus on the lame WREN. One wordplay query from me: In 26D it appears that, with “to turn” = OT, the initial R must be clued by “Start” Can someone explain, please?

  11. AG: I think “start to turn” is the first three letters of “rotate”. Can’t say I like it, seems a bit arbitrary, can’t think of a better explanation.

  12. Funny, I thought that start to turn = rot, as in when something starts to turn, it’s starting to rot.

  13. On “start to turn”, I think RB’s is the more likely – I’d see TURN as “start to rot” rather than the reverse. Either way, the clue doesn’t quite work for me.

    Just for the record, I seem to be the only killjoy who didn’t love the toilet-seat clue. Leaving the seat up may be bad manners, but it’s not in poor taste IMO … or perhaps I’m splitting hairs.

  14. Well, I’ve never understood the fuss about the toilet seat, but that didn’t spoil my enjoyment of the clue.

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