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	<title>Comments on: DA Retrospectively: 24th September, 2004</title>
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	<description>&#34;A force for good&#34;, David Astle (DA)</description>
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		<title>By: The DA Pantheon: Nominations for Induction &#171; The DA Trippers</title>
		<link>http://datrippers.com/2010/02/16/da-retrospectively-24th-september-2004/#comment-9063</link>
		<dc:creator>The DA Pantheon: Nominations for Induction &#171; The DA Trippers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 23:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Zimmerman crossword from the 24th of September, 2004, for the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: mic</title>
		<link>http://datrippers.com/2010/02/16/da-retrospectively-24th-september-2004/#comment-3951</link>
		<dc:creator>mic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, AG
25A: Idling = DOING O. model = T, citizen at last = N. i guess &quot;possibly with&quot; is a containment indicator somehow</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, AG<br />
25A: Idling = DOING O. model = T, citizen at last = N. i guess &#8220;possibly with&#8221; is a containment indicator somehow</p>
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		<title>By: AG</title>
		<link>http://datrippers.com/2010/02/16/da-retrospectively-24th-september-2004/#comment-3949</link>
		<dc:creator>AG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 06:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just finished here, and enjoyed it - bit of a Bob aficionado, so no problems there.

&quot;Ring taw&quot; - I faintly remember that term from nigh on fifty years ago, but I&#039;d agree it&#039;s obscure. On the other hand, &quot;towel up&quot; may be a bit old-fashioned, but I&#039;d probably use it myself from time to time. (Draw your own conclusions.) I&#039;m surprised it&#039;s obscure to two others above.

mic, &quot;confront&quot; is kind of filler, to the extent that the wordplay would be valid without it. But it does carry a sensible meaning that keeps the integrity of the wordplay and to me just makes the clue read more smoothly. HIV is an &quot;AIDS sign&quot; in the sense that it&#039;s a forerunner of AIDS and its presence signals the presence or possible future onset of AIDS.

Can someone explain the wordplay of 25A for me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just finished here, and enjoyed it &#8211; bit of a Bob aficionado, so no problems there.</p>
<p>&#8220;Ring taw&#8221; &#8211; I faintly remember that term from nigh on fifty years ago, but I&#8217;d agree it&#8217;s obscure. On the other hand, &#8220;towel up&#8221; may be a bit old-fashioned, but I&#8217;d probably use it myself from time to time. (Draw your own conclusions.) I&#8217;m surprised it&#8217;s obscure to two others above.</p>
<p>mic, &#8220;confront&#8221; is kind of filler, to the extent that the wordplay would be valid without it. But it does carry a sensible meaning that keeps the integrity of the wordplay and to me just makes the clue read more smoothly. HIV is an &#8220;AIDS sign&#8221; in the sense that it&#8217;s a forerunner of AIDS and its presence signals the presence or possible future onset of AIDS.</p>
<p>Can someone explain the wordplay of 25A for me?</p>
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		<title>By: mic</title>
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		<dc:creator>mic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 03:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian, thanks. i was thrown by &quot;confronts&quot; and &quot;sign&quot;. I take it the former is just a filler word? and the latter is part of HIV somehow?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, thanks. i was thrown by &#8220;confronts&#8221; and &#8220;sign&#8221;. I take it the former is just a filler word? and the latter is part of HIV somehow?</p>
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		<title>By: RB</title>
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		<dc:creator>RB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 02:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree - ripper crossword! I really liked 12A, 14A, 23D (this last clue did require knowledge of the rugby term &quot;knock on&quot;). 

Took me a while to get the all-important 18A. I don&#039;t know/remember much about Dylan so I had to use Google to jog my memory on some of the references. &quot;Blood on the Tracks&quot; and &quot;Hurricane&quot; were the only ones that were obscure for me.

Thought 10A/30A was a bit tortured - &quot;drums&quot; as anagram indicator for &quot;both lined&quot;; with &quot;win&quot; thrown in twice (indicated by &quot;among&quot;).

Agree on 3D. Never heard of it. But I did find it here: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/towel

22D: Another obscure (for me) marble clue. We had &quot;dib&quot; a week ago, and &quot;ring taw&quot; in this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree &#8211; ripper crossword! I really liked 12A, 14A, 23D (this last clue did require knowledge of the rugby term &#8220;knock on&#8221;). </p>
<p>Took me a while to get the all-important 18A. I don&#8217;t know/remember much about Dylan so I had to use Google to jog my memory on some of the references. &#8220;Blood on the Tracks&#8221; and &#8220;Hurricane&#8221; were the only ones that were obscure for me.</p>
<p>Thought 10A/30A was a bit tortured &#8211; &#8220;drums&#8221; as anagram indicator for &#8220;both lined&#8221;; with &#8220;win&#8221; thrown in twice (indicated by &#8220;among&#8221;).</p>
<p>Agree on 3D. Never heard of it. But I did find it here: <a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/towel" rel="nofollow">http://www.thefreedictionary.com/towel</a></p>
<p>22D: Another obscure (for me) marble clue. We had &#8220;dib&#8221; a week ago, and &#8220;ring taw&#8221; in this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>5A; Last character = Z, AIDS sign = HIV, before = ago
Agree on 3 down, never heard of it.
I remember this one got a lot of complaints of Cracker.com.au when it came out, with people complaining they weren&#039;t Bob Dylan fans so how could they be expected to know this stuff. None of it seemed very obscure to me. What do people think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5A; Last character = Z, AIDS sign = HIV, before = ago<br />
Agree on 3 down, never heard of it.<br />
I remember this one got a lot of complaints of Cracker.com.au when it came out, with people complaining they weren&#8217;t Bob Dylan fans so how could they be expected to know this stuff. None of it seemed very obscure to me. What do people think?</p>
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		<title>By: mic</title>
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		<dc:creator>mic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That one was a ripper!

Not quite sure how 5A fits together though

Also, 3D is extremely obscure aussie slang. it wasn&#039;t referenced in my dictionary, and i could barely find any use of it on the interwebs. Maybe it&#039;s alive and well in the spoken world though. That clue really wiped the floor with me</description>
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<p>Not quite sure how 5A fits together though</p>
<p>Also, 3D is extremely obscure aussie slang. it wasn&#8217;t referenced in my dictionary, and i could barely find any use of it on the interwebs. Maybe it&#8217;s alive and well in the spoken world though. That clue really wiped the floor with me</p>
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