Asynchronicity’s Reign (DA on the 9/10th October)

Clearly, Fairfax ain’t into Jung: DA continues to be Saturday’s Age cruciverbalist while I continue to assume he graces the SMH on Fridays.

I’m doing better at today’s DS than I did last week’s, but it ain’t no DA, and has anyone else noticed the rather objectionable synonym for girl that is used in 22 across?

Anyway, comment below.

Update: An almost!

DA omission and transgressions

A reasonable DA done in sparse moments over the weekend. Three answers eluded me, one of which made me exclaim “Get fucked!”, another “Bullshit!”

And on a sychronous note to this asynchronous DA, I had been racking my brain for a type of dance that could be the answer to 11-across before having a general read of the newspaper. I reached the climax of my newspaper-reading experience (I always leave the Opinion section to last), and the fugitive dance was found: this Shaun Carney article makes mention of a fandango!

38 thoughts on “Asynchronicity’s Reign (DA on the 9/10th October)

  1. My brother, who’s in his early forties and into more American humour than British — I don’t get a lot of British humour either –, certainly says the word, but certainly not in the company of women.

    I also found 21 across objectionable in today’s DS, but for cryptic rather than PC reasons.

  2. At the risk of irritating those south of the border, it is good to have DA back on the Friday in the SMH. A reasonably straightforward DA this week, although I had to google 8D.
    Possible gold: 6D, 1D, 20D, 23D (cheeky), 10A, and perhaps 25A.

  3. I agree with haiku, except that I didn’t find it straightforward and I don’t get 23D. 6D is brilliant. I reckon 4D is very good too.

  4. I agree: 6D absolutely brilliant! My other favourites: 20D, 10A, 25A. 1D and 2D were pretty good too.

    JG, I thought 4D was OK – I was a bit disappointed when I finally got it – it’s a cryptic definition, isn’t it? Or is there something else going on?

    I was about to say I too don’t get 23D. But I’ve just worked it out, more or less:
    crab=SIDLE (can you use “crab” as verb in this way?)
    half-hearted quickie=SIDDLE with only one D (From Peter Siddle, the fast bowler)

    I didn’t like 13D. “school” = TERM doesn’t seem right. And “sucking off face” to indicate the removal of the first letter of “jingle” is just plain ugly. Or am I missing something?

  5. Re 13d: During school = IN TERM. Nothing wrong with that.

    However, I’m not sure about C = “Coke”, or “stone” as an anagram indicator

  6. Oh dear! Maybe I’ve done too many DA’s… why did I find clues like 6D slightly underwhelming. The Roman numeral ploy is getting a bit tired and obvious, I reckon.Elsewhere quite amusing in parts, 20D was my pick.

  7. 10A: In his cups? A clue for cross-dressers, perhaps?

    17A: Agree with Ian about “stone” as a dubious anagram indicator.

    28A: Assuming DUG UP is the answer, and that “Pixar pic” is UP, how is “boob” DUG?

    2D: The “on” seems untidy.

    13D: Agree with Ian about IN TERM. Also “song” = SINGLE.

    18D: “blitz” = AIR RAID, right? How does the rest work?

  8. 28a: Dug — noun: an udder or breast or teat

    13d: I thought the song with its face sucked off was a jingle

    18d: AFRAID, replace F (loud) with IR

    2d: “On” is just one of those many permissible filler words a setter needs to concoct a surface meaning for a clue. In this case it is a preposition meaning something like “when” or “after.” As in “On removing C from HECTIC you get HETIC.” I stand corrected about C for cocaine; I guess I need to add street drug slang to golfers, cricketers and mid-twentieth century snooker players to my homework list.

  9. I don’t really understand 6D, like Jan is midsummer but apart from the MM how does the rest relate to 2000?

  10. Also, apparently dug can be the udder, breast, or teat of a female animal. But Up also has a character called Dug who is a bit dumb so maybe its meant to be interpreted both ways

  11. 23d: Macquarie lists crab as a verb, v.i, to move sideways. Chambers has crab-sidle. Collins doesn’t list this meaning at all.

  12. Ian

    28A: Thanks for that. I didn’t know a boob was a dug. I thought it was a puppy.

    13D: Yes, I agree that a “song” is a JINGLE, but it is also a SINGLE.

    18D: *Slaps head.* I mistakenly focussed on P = LOUD, when it is of course P = QUIET.

  13. C (What, only one initial?)

    6D: “January 2000?”

    January = “MIDSUMMER”

    MID of SUMMER = MM = 2000.

    A whelming clue.

  14. Re 13D: Thanks Ian, TT for “during school” = “in term”. I’m happy with that. (I was treating the words “during” and “school” separately, and it just wasn’t quite right). Is it JINGLE (with the face sucked off) or SINGLE (with the face of “sucking” i.e. “s” off). I must confess I don’t particularly like either!

    Re 17A: I was OK with “stone” as anagram indicator at the time, but now I’m finding it hard to justify! If you add a “d” it becomes stoned (drunk), which works. My take on it is that it’s not the worst anagram indicator I’ve seen, by a long way!

    I’m surprised at the lack of enthusiasm for 6D. I like this type of clue, where the usual roles of clue and answer are reversed (the wordplay being found in the answer).

  15. WRT to Ian and TT’s concerns about using stone as an anagram indicator, seems fine to me.

    If you’re stoned (dope wise), then you tend to be confused. To stone the word confuses it… per RB perhaps a ‘d’ at the end would be more explicit.

    In a somewhat similar vein – does anyone else find DA easier after 5 or 6 beers? Got home late last night and rocketed through most of it.

  16. On another note – I thought that 27a was one of my favourites until I realised I had the wrong answer.

    Initially had it as COD as a cleaner is OCD, rejected being the anagram indicator. Could have been the beers…

  17. Just a few queries:

    10A: think i’m missing something. i don’t understand why the word is repeated, and why it has preceding articles

    19A: noun = adjective?
    22A: verb = noun?

    14D: does split mean take half the word? split certainly means separate halves, but does it also mean to get rid of one of the halves?

    speaking of wrong answers, for 20D i had the right answer but the wrong reasoning: i had champ = lion, lion gave up nothing = lion – o = lin. then drum for beat. thus lindrum. leaving the literal clue as just felt. google told me that there is a restaurant “the felt” at the hotel lindrum. It wasn’t until i realised WHY they’d call a restaurant at the hotel lindrum “the felt” that i realised my error

  18. MF: 10A – my figuring was that our bounder was involved with more than one set of cups … hence A BRA and A BRA. I don’t think it’s the tidiest clue but usually cut DA some licence when he’s working it blue.

    In the same vein, that was why I got amusement out of 23A: the double entendre of getting crab(s) from a quickie.

    And likewise “sucking off face” seemed reasonable in the context of a school social – certainly aggressive snogging was something I aspired to during school socials, although the record will show no actual acheivement …

    And yes 14D I decoded as average = PAR + speed = RA(TE) + sounds like matter = MATTA. I guess split = cut in half is OK in that context?

  19. actually i retract my query about 19A due to the crucial question mark

    a question mark would also solve my 22A query, but there is none

  20. MF, I had the same concern re 19A: sticks (noun) = rural (adjective). But I don’t see that a “?” helps.

    On the other hand, I reckon 22A is OK. We’ve had this query before. An “ing” word (like skipping) can be a noun (I think the technical term for this usage is gerund), as in “skipping is great fun”, or the present participle of a verb, as in “she is skipping along the road”.

    Re 23D, I too liked the double entendre (“crab”).

  21. 19a: RB, to my mind, the “?” means that “rural” can be a property of the “urge”

    22A: RB, “skipping” is perfectly good as a gerund, but in that case it means THE act of skipping, whereas an omission is AN act of skipping… hold on, omission can mean THE act of skipping as well. i concede

  22. For the first time since DA moved to Saturday for us Melburnians I got this one out (Sunday evening) before the answers were published. A couple of confusions remain. I’ll check the comments now.

  23. 19A: MF, you’re suggesting an overlap between worplay and definition. Maybe even an &lit? That thought did occur to me too. It’s possible, but I think we might be trying too hard to get DA off the hook. (I don’t think it can be intended as &lit since DA always clues &lits with a “!”)

  24. RB & MF, re 19A, I am fine with this clue. OK, “rural” is an adjective and “(the) sticks” is a noun (a rural place). I am sure you would be happy if the clue had contained “of the sticks” or “in the sticks” since they are adjectival phrases. However, I would argue that “to the sticks” can also be thought of as an adjectival phrase, since “going on a rural journey” can be substituted for “going on a journey to the sticks”. What do you think?

  25. Yes, I agree – the clue looks better if you consider the definition to be “to the sticks” rather than just “the sticks”.

    And if it had been “in the sticks” – I don’t think there’d be any grounds for complaint at all. But “to the sticks” is still a bit unsatisfactory for me.

  26. Thought I’d do a DS this week. Took a bit longer than the DA! But I think that’s just unfamiliarity. AS, you objected earlier to 21A – looks fine to me. What was your objection? I thought 24A was a pretty neat clue.

  27. I really liked 6D. DA has provided us with so many examples where the answer is a wordplay instruction that I think it deserves its own clue-type, like the &lit, another rare delicacy.

    On the other hand, I am not a fan of the “cryptic” clue-type e.g. 4D. I suppose it is clever enough, but I get my cryptic jollies from the wordplay and this clue-type doesn’t have any! I guess that’s why I went through a phase where I condidered it didn’t belong in a cryptic crossword at all.

  28. RB, I don’t have the DS with me, but if I remember correctly it had TO KEEP OPERATING = ON, which just reeked of bullshit to me.

  29. And I think I’ll give DA TO THE STICKS = RURAL. “I’m going to the sticks” and “I’m going rural” just pass in my book, although the SKIPPING = OMISSION thing I’ve put into the bullshit.

  30. NC – I agree on both counts. The 6D kind of clue does need its own official clue-type. And the 4D kind of clue (variously labelled cryptic def, oblique def, pun clue etc) I usually find disappointing.

    AS – re 21a in this week’s DS, I interpreted “to keep operating” like this:
    to keep = containment indicator
    operating = ON
    So the whole clue: “Power to keep operating this time” = FOR ONCE
    Looks OK to me!

  31. NC & RB

    I agree with you about 4D. I got it almost instantaneously. It seemed too easy because it didn’t have any wordplay. I spent ages wondering whether I had made a mistake, and agonising about whether I had entered in the right letters; I hate making any mistakes.

    To set the record straight about 6D re my “whelming” comment above. I thought it was excellent an excellent clue. Hence it was not over- or underwhelming. It had just the right amount of whelm.

  32. Oops, again I speak to soon. DS, thank RB for restoring your reputation, one I unjustly traduced.

    GR, thanks for the help!

  33. AS, re the DS clue, I’m glad you’re satisfied. It did cross my mind that you might be questioning “operating”=”on” (even though this is a fairly common crossword ploy) on the grounds of a part-of-speech mismatch. And, with the recent mere/just, sticks/rural, and skipping/omission debates in mind, I feared another can of worms was about to be opened!

  34. Cans of worms are grist for the mill in a pedant’s paradise.

    As is clear, I like arguing about parts of speech and whatnot!

  35. Re 6D and the “answer is a wordplay instruction” clue-type, the epitome of this was the awesome clue mentioned somewhere in the bowels of this blog: E (13). Question: Is this clue an &lit? Arguably the clue leads to the answer, as cause and effect…
    Spoiler 12 lines below… Was this clue a DA?


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