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	<description>&#34;A force for good&#34;, David Astle (DA)</description>
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		<title>By: AS</title>
		<link>http://datrippers.com/2009/08/26/complete-bullshit-21st-of-august/#comment-2126</link>
		<dc:creator>AS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 03:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice pick up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice pick up.</p>
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		<title>By: TT</title>
		<link>http://datrippers.com/2009/08/26/complete-bullshit-21st-of-august/#comment-2125</link>
		<dc:creator>TT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 01:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Phillip Batty: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/local/audio/2009/09/08/2679993.htm?site=melbourne&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Oh Vid (23.04)&lt;/a&gt;.

Since Dr Phil is, as noted phonetician Daffy Duck used to say, &quot;one of our boys&quot; (an Aussie), I&#039;m sticking with Oh Vid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Phillip Batty: <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/local/audio/2009/09/08/2679993.htm?site=melbourne" rel="nofollow">Oh Vid (23.04)</a>.</p>
<p>Since Dr Phil is, as noted phonetician Daffy Duck used to say, &#8220;one of our boys&#8221; (an Aussie), I&#8217;m sticking with Oh Vid.</p>
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		<title>By: TT</title>
		<link>http://datrippers.com/2009/08/26/complete-bullshit-21st-of-august/#comment-1883</link>
		<dc:creator>TT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monophthong? Say that with a mouthful of Saladas.</description>
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		<title>By: AS</title>
		<link>http://datrippers.com/2009/08/26/complete-bullshit-21st-of-august/#comment-1869</link>
		<dc:creator>AS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A rounded &quot;o&quot; is a diphthong, or two vowel sounds in a row that, in the English language, is often represented by a single character.

The IPA for the word &quot;open&quot; is /ˈoʊpən/ (from dictionary.com). Now, although I&#039;m no phonological expert, I know those first two characters are vowel sounds.

The &quot;o&quot; followed by a consonant in Latin was always a monophthong, or possessing only one vowel sound and therefore not rounded.

Have a look here:

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Latin/Phonology


English once upon a time had a vowel system reasonably similar to those of the European languages, but the Great Vowel Shift happened and, amongst other things, a diphthongisation took place which made English spelling even more pictorial than it once was and a nightmare for foreigners to pronounce.

More info at Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Vowel_Shift</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A rounded &#8220;o&#8221; is a diphthong, or two vowel sounds in a row that, in the English language, is often represented by a single character.</p>
<p>The IPA for the word &#8220;open&#8221; is /ˈoʊpən/ (from dictionary.com). Now, although I&#8217;m no phonological expert, I know those first two characters are vowel sounds.</p>
<p>The &#8220;o&#8221; followed by a consonant in Latin was always a monophthong, or possessing only one vowel sound and therefore not rounded.</p>
<p>Have a look here:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Latin/Phonology" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Latin/Phonology</a></p>
<p>English once upon a time had a vowel system reasonably similar to those of the European languages, but the Great Vowel Shift happened and, amongst other things, a diphthongisation took place which made English spelling even more pictorial than it once was and a nightmare for foreigners to pronounce.</p>
<p>More info at Wikipedia: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Vowel_Shift" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Vowel_Shift</a></p>
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		<title>By: haiku</title>
		<link>http://datrippers.com/2009/08/26/complete-bullshit-21st-of-august/#comment-1866</link>
		<dc:creator>haiku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My recollection of Latin (from some 23 years ago, mind) was that vowels were pronounced thus:

A: Aaaahhh, almost like the pirate Arrrrrrr
E: mostly &quot;ay&quot; or &#039;eh&#039;, as if you were The Fonz
I: &#039;eee&quot;
O: &quot;owe&quot; - ie quite a rounded oh
U: as per the &quot;ou&quot; in would or could

I&#039;m having visions of the &quot;Romanes eunt domus&quot; scene from Life of Brian now ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My recollection of Latin (from some 23 years ago, mind) was that vowels were pronounced thus:</p>
<p>A: Aaaahhh, almost like the pirate Arrrrrrr<br />
E: mostly &#8220;ay&#8221; or &#8216;eh&#8217;, as if you were The Fonz<br />
I: &#8216;eee&#8221;<br />
O: &#8220;owe&#8221; &#8211; ie quite a rounded oh<br />
U: as per the &#8220;ou&#8221; in would or could</p>
<p>I&#8217;m having visions of the &#8220;Romanes eunt domus&#8221; scene from Life of Brian now &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RB</title>
		<link>http://datrippers.com/2009/08/26/complete-bullshit-21st-of-august/#comment-1865</link>
		<dc:creator>RB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re TT&#039;s links above - the first two sounded like ahved!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re TT&#8217;s links above &#8211; the first two sounded like ahved!</p>
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		<title>By: AS</title>
		<link>http://datrippers.com/2009/08/26/complete-bullshit-21st-of-august/#comment-1860</link>
		<dc:creator>AS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 01:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;ered&quot; is definitely pronounced &quot;id&quot;, so I had no problem with that half of the homophone.

I just assumed my pronunciation, O-vid, was the lone correct one, but it seems that Ov-id is another pronunciation which might even be more common than my own.

Also, philologists generally don&#039;t know much about pronunciation. What we need is a phonetician or a phonologist, or perhaps a more general-purpose linguist.

By the way, does anyone know how to read the phonetic alphabet? They abound in dictionaries, yet I&#039;ve never met anyone, including people with linguistics degrees, who could read them comfortably and be sure of what sound is being referred to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;ered&#8221; is definitely pronounced &#8220;id&#8221;, so I had no problem with that half of the homophone.</p>
<p>I just assumed my pronunciation, O-vid, was the lone correct one, but it seems that Ov-id is another pronunciation which might even be more common than my own.</p>
<p>Also, philologists generally don&#8217;t know much about pronunciation. What we need is a phonetician or a phonologist, or perhaps a more general-purpose linguist.</p>
<p>By the way, does anyone know how to read the phonetic alphabet? They abound in dictionaries, yet I&#8217;ve never met anyone, including people with linguistics degrees, who could read them comfortably and be sure of what sound is being referred to.</p>
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		<title>By: TT</title>
		<link>http://datrippers.com/2009/08/26/complete-bullshit-21st-of-august/#comment-1859</link>
		<dc:creator>TT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 01:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or maybe even a &quot;ph&#039;lolog&#039;st.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or maybe even a &#8220;ph&#8217;lolog&#8217;st.</p>
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		<title>By: JG</title>
		<link>http://datrippers.com/2009/08/26/complete-bullshit-21st-of-august/#comment-1855</link>
		<dc:creator>JG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 01:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Australian Oxford Dictionary says it&#039;s ov-id (o as in hot). I&#039;d suggest that in Australian speech generally the &#039;ered&#039; sound is often pronounced &#039;id&#039; - eg, &#039;fathered&#039;, &#039;jiggered&#039;; but we really need a philologist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Australian Oxford Dictionary says it&#8217;s ov-id (o as in hot). I&#8217;d suggest that in Australian speech generally the &#8216;ered&#8217; sound is often pronounced &#8216;id&#8217; &#8211; eg, &#8216;fathered&#8217;, &#8216;jiggered&#8217;; but we really need a philologist.</p>
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		<title>By: TT</title>
		<link>http://datrippers.com/2009/08/26/complete-bullshit-21st-of-august/#comment-1852</link>
		<dc:creator>TT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 00:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a look and listen yesterday.

Look: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Ovid&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ˈä-vəd&lt;/a&gt;. Say ahhhhh.

Listen: &lt;a href=&quot;http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?bixovi01.wav=Ovid&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;and listen&lt;/a&gt;. Say ahhhhh.

Look &amp; listen: &lt;a href=&quot;http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Ovid&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ov-id&lt;/a&gt;. Say id.

When I start speaking American, then I&#039;ll accept American pronunciations. Until then, I&#039;ll continue to employ the English pronunciation - &quot;O-vid&quot; - expressed by six years worth of Latin teachers. And every single British actor who ever said O-vid.

Titus Andronicus: &quot;Lucius, what book is that she tosseth so?&quot;
Lucius: &quot;Grandsire, &#039;tis Ohhhhh-vid&#039;s Metamorphoses&quot;

See.

I know, I know. Even Dr Johnson, while compiling his dictionary, discovered that it was pointless to try to hold back changes in language. But it&#039;s my protest, and I&#039;m sticking to it.

And anyway, to my ear none of those three above look/sound completely like ov-erred, as in hov-erred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a look and listen yesterday.</p>
<p>Look: <a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Ovid" rel="nofollow">ˈä-vəd</a>. Say ahhhhh.</p>
<p>Listen: <a href="http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?bixovi01.wav=Ovid" rel="nofollow">and listen</a>. Say ahhhhh.</p>
<p>Look &amp; listen: <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Ovid" rel="nofollow">Ov-id</a>. Say id.</p>
<p>When I start speaking American, then I&#8217;ll accept American pronunciations. Until then, I&#8217;ll continue to employ the English pronunciation &#8211; &#8220;O-vid&#8221; &#8211; expressed by six years worth of Latin teachers. And every single British actor who ever said O-vid.</p>
<p>Titus Andronicus: &#8220;Lucius, what book is that she tosseth so?&#8221;<br />
Lucius: &#8220;Grandsire, &#8217;tis Ohhhhh-vid&#8217;s Metamorphoses&#8221;</p>
<p>See.</p>
<p>I know, I know. Even Dr Johnson, while compiling his dictionary, discovered that it was pointless to try to hold back changes in language. But it&#8217;s my protest, and I&#8217;m sticking to it.</p>
<p>And anyway, to my ear none of those three above look/sound completely like ov-erred, as in hov-erred.</p>
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