DA on the 26th of June

It’s the last DA before I’m back in Melbourne and I have the crossword in front of me.

Talk, acclaim, rail, inform and enjoy.

32 thoughts on “DA on the 26th of June

  1. Wonderful this week, but did not think that 14A was 100% kosher, ‘inside’ rather than ‘between’ would have been better. And don’t fully understand 21D. ‘NOW’ in ‘HARD’ isn’t quite HOWARD… what have I missed?

  2. Was a surprise to see WIF as one of the Aussie fillums.

    21D: “Old PM now discovered in difficult circumstances!”

    “Difficult circumstances” = HARD.

    “Now discovered” = NOW without its cover = OW.

    OW “in” HARD = HOWARD.

  3. Love a themed crossy. Discovered as remove top maybe? The rest a touch less hard. My view on the lot—
    9 Head-on (chief=head, happening=on)
    10,26 Love serenade (anag.)
    11 The nugget (producer=hen, her source=egg backwards, evenly mixed into Tut)
    12,25 Wake in fright (do for the late=wake, half of infant=inf, Ok=right)
    14 Idiot box (anag of boot in roman numerals for 1 and 509)
    15 Malcolm (seafood=clam backwards, even letters of Coolum)
    17 Phar Lap (sounds like far and Lapp)
    20 The piano (anag.)
    22 Mad max ( produced almost= mad(e), ultimate =max for maximum)
    23 Wolf creek (gorge= wolf [think food], sounds like creak)
    24 Look both ways (peep can read in either direction and means look)

    1 Yokohama (John’s mate= Yoko, laugh= ha, old woman= ma)
    2, 22 Shoe makers (ha ha)
    3 Barton ( swap musical note at start of carton)
    4 Asterix ( bloomer= Aster, roman numerals for 9)
    5 Ghoulish (banished outsiders= the centre of previous words)
    6 Target grid ( anag. minus an)
    7 Don’t go (Mafioso= Don, anag. got)
    13 Escapology (eschewing minus hewing for cutting= esc, excuse=apology)
    16 Lean cuts (anag.)
    18 Anaconda (in reverse in clue)
    19 Moreish (sounds like Moorish)
    21 Howard (discovered= remove top of now[?] in hard)
    24 Lino (loves= o and nil, reversed)
    Gave the Times a miss for this and probably shouldn’t have. But sometimes DA has got ‘it’

  4. 14A: Agree that “between” is NQR.

    2D & 22D: One 10 letter word spread between two sets of spaces is dodgy. And the clue just two words, so I don’t think I missed a pointer to the split. What’s more, since when did “traders?” = MAKERS? Unless it’s something to do with trades-people making things.

  5. I agree with the reservations expressed by TT above.

    Not being a film buff (I’d never heard of most of them!) it wasn’t too difficult to figure out.

    I liked 12A (“do for the late”), 6D, 13D. But no real gold this week.

  6. Not too difficult this week although I gave myself a slap on the wrist for not getting 6D sooner than I did.

    Don’t understand the quibble about ‘between’ in 14A. I think it is fair play.

    Agree with RB – some good clues but no real gold.

    And Martin – why not do the Times as well?

  7. The first across clue TT and B got was 14A: IDIOT BOX. That sold me a huge dummy: we now thought the across clues were about television. Thus, even though the right answer to 22A was MAD MAX, I went with MAD MEN, because I thought “Produced almost” gave MAD(-E) and “almost ultimate” gave (-A)MEN.

    But I don’t think you are allowed to use “almost” twice like that. Trust DA isn’t getting any sneaky ideas.

    Anyway, I realised the mistake when I got 15A: MALCOLM. Hot on the heels B solved WAKE IN FRIGHT and WOLF CREEK, then the rest of the Aussie fillums solved themselves. A topic like that (once you know what it is) makes the crossword pretty easy.

  8. Regarding the Times crossword, I have a theory: crosswords have different rhythms.

    You have to be careful about which ones you do.

    DA on Friday can sometime throw you out of whack for the Times on Saturday.

  9. I think tuning in to the different rhythms of the various setters is part of the challenge.
    I’m sure going from the Times to the Guardian to DA is good for the brain. Well I like to believe that anyway.

  10. I refer to this site if I get stuck and am appreciative of the jump starts offered by most. But why does Martin have to give the whole solution so early. I love my Friday DA crosswords and if I come across a hard one don’t mind if it takes a day or two. Anyone else have any thoughts, or if you do feel the compunction to give the entire answers can they be hidden by a hyperlink.

  11. I think Martin might have done that because the crossword and answers haven’t been scanned in as part of the post as usual.

    There isn’t a set etiquette to this because such things develop over time, but I do think it might be time for me to try and steer things a certain way.

    I think on my part it would be a good idea to post a DA Confusions and DA Reports as of Friday each week. That way, people are free to talk about anything at all on the DA Reports and post all the answers if they so wish, and on DA Confusions, people can talk specifically of their confusions.

    So as of next week, I’ll give that a go and see what happens.

  12. I think your idea is definitely worth a try, AS.

    But my own feeling is that you stray beyond the front page at your own risk! Sometimes I think it might be nice to see what’s been said about the latest DA, but I resist the temptation until I’ve finished it (or it’s finished me!)

  13. During the May results TT posted small JPEGS of the final answers. Too small to read unless you activated it. Great Idea.

    This is still in the same thread of discussion and can be kept within the front page. If you feel you have to give explanations to every answer save them as a JPEG and add it just like those ones.

    This way, like RB says we dont have to stray from the first page and if we are diabolically stuck we can activate the JPEGs for larger viewing.

    Is this a compromise? If not just leave things as they are and I’ll look on a Sunday when I totally give up.

  14. I agree with AS and RB. I think Martin may have been a bit quick off the mark, I’d be a bit wary of posting answers until I’d seen DA’s, I’m sure he could come up with a puzzle with more than one ‘solution’.

  15. It’s a bit of a Catch 23. You want to look at the blog to see if there is any discussion, but you don’t want to see the discussion because it might tell you the answers you haven’t got. And those answers you haven’t got are most probably the ones that are going to be discussed.

    I reckon the little crossword hyper-linked to the big crossword was a good idea. It was AS’s idea, too, I just sent him the scanned copy.

  16. Sorry. It was hubris. I thought that as the answers were only hours away we had all given it our best shot so I shared my success. More care will be taken. I also got ‘Idiot Box’ as my first across answer but drew no conclusions about the theme. I can remember past mistakes in themed crossies. “There all jockeys and horses” only to discover that they’re plays by Shakespeare.

  17. Hooray! I got this DA out Sunday evening (last clue 19D). I am on a roll! I could explain all except 11A. but I had another look this morning, and it jumped out at me.

    I’d got 5 or 6 clues already (including a couple of acrosses) before I noticed the note about the across clues sharing a theme).

    Great DA!

  18. Thanks to Martin for the explanations. They are spot on (exactly the same as mine).

    I had prepared the list in Hindu Crossword Corner notation and would have posted them today, but that is unnecessary now that Martin has done the business.

    Waiting until the Monday before posting explanations is probably a reasonable compromise. On the other hand, I don’t peek (or PEEP!) at this blog until I have given up.

    Which reminds me. Working on 24, 8 across, I was thinking about the English words peep and peek. Is there any difference in meaning?

  19. Some nitpickings.

    In 6D, Great trading exchange lacks an adjacent word square (6,4) what function does “adjacent” play?

    in 21D, Old PM now discovered in difficult circumstances what function does “circumstances” play? Is the definition “old PM” or is this an &lit (as might be indicated by the !)?

  20. I just saw TT’s post about 21D. Difficult = hard I understand. I definitely don’t accept “difficult circumstances” = hard. Hardship maybe.

  21. I think ‘adjacent’ refers to the fact that the Target grid sits( almost)adjacent to the cryptic crossword in the newspaper. (At least it does in the Age)
    I would think that to Peek is to take a sneaky look at something which should be hidden -such as crossword solutions, and to Peep is to look through nearly closed eyes. Not dictionary definitions, but my understanding of the words.

  22. Ah. That explanation makes sense, JD. I had assumed ‘target grid’ somehow referred to the layout of the cryptic crossword itself.

  23. 6D: I’m still not sure about this. Does “target grid” refer to the crossword grid itself? (In which case “adjacent” refers to the fact that the crossword grid is adjacent to the clue). Or does “target grid” refer to the Target grid on the same page? (This latter explanation would render this crossword incapable of being printed in another context).

    Does the SMH carry the Target puzzle on the same page as the DA crossword? And are crossword grids referred to as “target grids”?

    21D: Despite the “!” I don’t see this as an &lit clue. My take on this is that circumstances = surroundings, situation, or environment. So OW is “surrounded by” or “situated in” HARD. I think there’s a bit of poetic licence there, too!

  24. RB, re 6D, in the SMH the Target grid is adjacent and the heading ‘Target’ is on the same line as ‘Cryptic crossword’, so it’s blindingly obvious once you get it.
    Regarding other crosswords (Guardian, The Times), fifteensquared.net is a blog that covers a lot of the England ones. Perhaps it could be added to the blogroll.

  25. RB

    I assumed (and still do) that the “target grid” is the other puzzle over on the right. After all, it’s called Target, it’s a grid, and it’s adjacent to the crossword. Your other version has claims, as the racing folk say, but it’s a bit of a stretch. For me, anyway.

    “Old PM now discovered in difficult circumstances!”

    “now uncovered” goes “in difficult” to give HOWARD. So I reckon “circus pants” is a sloppy qualifier for “difficult”, since “in difficult” by itself doesn’t make sense. The “!” is a get out.

    My suggestion: “Old PM now discovered infirm”

  26. I like RB’s suggestion that “circumstances” is the containment indicator, meaning surroundings/environment. That makes me happy now.

    TT’s suggested alternative clue: “Old PM now discovered infirm” is great! I like it even better than the original. Now if only there was a current news item about Howard’s failing health, a “!” could be added, and that would be such an awesome &lit!!
    I would call it Gold except we would need a DA/TT Gold category.

  27. Three in a row, and I got the Times as well (I think) – but did have ten hours on a plane to occupy! Agree that once you got the theme it was reasonably straightforward.

    What about “Iraq conflict within fooled old PM!”

  28. TT Says:
    June 27th, 2009 at 12:00 am
    2D & 22D: One 10 letter word spread between two sets of spaces is dodgy. And the clue just two words, so I don’t think I missed a pointer to the split.
    The Guardian used to do this frequently. The main restriction seems to be that the split off parts are words in themselves. So ‘shoe’ and ‘makers’ is OK as would be ‘super’ and ‘man’ but not ‘respect’ and ‘ful’ then again one of the rules is there ain’t no rules!

  29. “Old PM now discovered infirm” I get. And it’s an excellent clue.

    “Iraq conflict within fooled old PM!” I don’t get. Please explain, haiku. The best I can do is “row” (conflict) jumbled up with “had” (fooled). But Iraq?

  30. As well as the direct clue, it was my attempt at a bit of &lit, given Iraq’s lack of WMD … doesn’t quite work though, does it …

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