38 thoughts on “DA on the 19th of June

  1. i’m now 4 in a row! but again, i’m left unable to explain 4 clues. i don’t get the cryptic parts of 28A, 29A and 4D (the tingle part), and i don’t get the literal element to 7D (unless it’s to do with ordering “the usual”)

  2. 29A: Shadowy drama = NOH, about ->HON. wORk centre = OR. A large (musical) number = ARIA.
    4D: to give someone a tingle is to PHONE them
    7D: (not so sure on this) a BAR is a type of property where one might order “the usual”
    28A: sorry, can’t help! perhaps it needed an exclamation mark?

  3. thanks, haiku
    29A: pardon my ignorance, but how is shadowy drama noh?
    4D: it occurred to me that tingle may be a colloquialism for phone i was unaware of, i also thought something with a PH of 1 might be quite “tingly”
    7D: property seemed a jarring way to refer to a bar, i guess chosen to make the whole clue read better
    28A: of course! man, i’m an idiot! great clue

    1A: its (TO in PEN) backwards, plus APER

  4. Very enjoyable crossword. Agree with haiku about the humour in 2D and 24D. Also liked 16A.
    Noh is a form of Japanese theatre.

  5. MF, re 1A, as a person of a certain age, I am unable to entertain the idea that ‘retired’ = ‘backward’!

  6. Until reading the explanations above, I too had trouble justifying 29A, 4D, 7D. And I have to say I don’t like 29A! Aria = large number? Pshaw, say I! Number is bad enough, but large? Elaborate, often; accompanied, yes (maybe by a large orchestra, but maybe by a small orchestra); but large, why? In size (of accompanying instrumentation) or in duration?

    Also, until now, I’d never heard of “tingle” for phone. Where I come from it’s “tinkle”.

    My favourites were 10A, 16A, 5D, 15D (I always like Spoonerisms).

    And lastly a comment about 17D. “Food” seems to be doing double duty in this clue. It’s almost an &lit clue.

  7. Not at all, MF, I’m a very forward-thinking sort of person :)
    Seriously, can anyone show me how ‘retired’ = ‘backwards’? The 1972 Chambers Dictionary has ‘retreat’ as one meaning, but says that is obsolete, so I would be loath to accept that. I reckon it’s DA having a bad day.

  8. For 1A, I arrived at it along the lines of “not e-paper” – which I figured wasn’t quite right, but all the letters fitted … thanks MF for the elucidation.

  9. I’m sure DA (and other setters?) has used ‘retired’ or ‘retiring’ in this way before. My copy of The Shorter Oxford Dictionary (with no ‘obsolete’ indication) mentions ‘retreat’ in a military sense, and ‘take one or more steps backward’ in fencing. Also ‘move back or away’, and ‘withdraw’.

  10. I got the last clue (4 down) during 3/4 time listening to the Pies-Swans game on the wireless last night. Still not 100% sure of he reasoning behind 15A, 16A, 27A, 29A, 7D and 26D.

  11. NC

    15A: It’s an old tradition – actors are not allowed to say “MacBeth”.

    16A: O is the “close to hero” + “HELI” is a “port” (short for heliport) inside PA for the “old man” = OPHELIA, which is the trailer from 16A, “Shakespearean” and the answer to 11A, “DAUGHTER”.

    27A: The middle letters of “covet lovable old” give VAL, a girl. Most probably an “old girl”, since the name is out of vogue; so that’s a nice dummy sell by DA.

    29A: H did a nice number on HONORARIA here.

    26D: LAY is both “amateur” and a “poem”.

  12. 5D: “Hardly a day job reporting what 1-downs do?”

    This clue, on its own, works two ways. As such, I got it wrong and entered ROAM. Perhaps there needs to be a comma after “job”.

    In the grid, though, you had to go with ROME, which made MARK MY WORDS work, which is ironic, since mine didn’t.

  13. Thanks for those, TT!

    …actors are not allowed to say “MacBeth”…you mean like some kind of superstition?

  14. As TT says, it’s considered bad luck to say “Macbeth” in the theatre, so the superstition has people referring to it as the Scottish play. I had an alternative take on 16A:
    (Shakespearean) (daughter) close to hero (Hamlet) = Ophelia, which is comprised of old man = OAP (old age pensioner) swallowing HELI (from Heliport, as above).

    But without a “jumbling” word to mix the OAP around, I suspect TT’s explanation is clearer and the correct one …

    And “Hardly a day job” = ROME is pretty close to gold, I think!

  15. I agree. “Hardly a day job” = ROME was brilliant. But I also agree with TT that, because it was impossible to tell whether ‘reporting’ referred to the preceding phrase or the following phrase, I didn’t know whether the answer was ROAM or ROME (until solving 10A). And even the insertion of a comma wouldn’t really have nailed it for me, because I now routinely ignore punctuation in a DA clue – he’s a master of misleading punctuation!

    PS Re 29A: I still think “large number” = “aria” is a stinker! (Although HS’s “fat lady” explanation above is a very nice try!)

  16. Not sure about reasoning for 25D, or exactly how 12A works for that matter. Can anyone end my confusion?

  17. 12A: Diamond pattern rarELY GRAded over cluster – one of DA’s sneaky hidden clues.

    25: do you mean 24D? The leader (first letter) of Party + remains = ASH, giving us the direct clue PASH – to fulfil a CRUSH, although in my experience most crushes end up unfulfilled!

  18. 16A: Is it possible the ‘O’ comes from ‘-‘ in the clue meaning zero, then PA swallowing HELI. It wouldn’t follow for the clue for 17D, but just a thought to the warped mind of DA.

  19. I prefer TT’s suggestion that o = “close to hero”.

    Reminds me of the debate on the meaning (and consequently correct pronunciation) of Joy Division’s album “Closer”. The interpretation of “closer” as a noun is lent credibility by the funereal atmospherics and Ian Curtis’ suicide.

  20. 16A: o = “close to hero” is my preferred explanation, too.

    29A: I’ve finally overcome my objection (voiced above a couple of days ago) to “large number” = aria. My main quibble was with “large”. For instance, compared to a Mahler symphony I’d say your average aria was somewhat on the small side! But I’ve finally found a reference to size in The Oxford Companion To Music, which says that aria commonly (from 18th century onward) implies “…….a lengthy and developed vocal piece…….”.

  21. Re 18A. The answer I got was “grips on”. Confirmation? I haven’t seen the solutions.

    Does this phrase sound strange to others, as well as me? Does “grips on” mean ‘grips”? Who says “she grips on the steering wheel” rather than “she grips the steering wheel’???
    It sounds rather strange to my ears…

  22. I agree – that has to be the answer – but I haven’t seen the solutions. And it does seem a very contrived phrase.

  23. I take “aria” in 29D to mean a “large” or “important” number (ie musical item).

    Liked 3D (“pamphlet”) using Chrissy Amphlett’s surname with “p” from “praise” added – but I wonder if DA knows he could have made up a slightly different clue for the same word using the singer Little Patty – her real name is Patricia Amphlett, so there was the “pamphlett” (heard=pamphlet) already :-))

    May I have an explanation for 22A please?

  24. 22A: Now and then -> take every second letter of “jenny glumly” -> E N G U L; then “ate”=FED
    to give us “swallowed”=ENGULFED

  25. Oops, meant not sure about reasoning for 23D (not 25D) – understand first and last letter, but not sure where ELT comes from.

    Thanks Haiku for 12A!

  26. IL, I took 23D to be a Cryptic Definition clue combining Delta Goodrem with delta = mouth (of a river)

  27. Here is my attempt to summarise the explanations for the 19 June DA…

    If a strange symbol appears, it is meant to be a left arrow

    1A: (N{OT}EP){APER}
    6A: RA{B[T]}ID
    9A: MOE{~mo)
    10A: {MARK}M{YWORD*}S
    11A: DAUGHTER*
    12A: ARGYLE [T]
    15A: MACBETH [CD]
    16A: O[T]P{HELI}A
    18A: {G}{RIPS ON*}
    19A: {VA}MO{OS}E
    20A: BI(~by){SECT}
    22A: ENGUL[T] {FED}
    25A: CALCULATING [CD]
    27A: VAL [T]
    28A: SAY AH [CD]
    29A: HONOR[T] {ARIA}
    1D: {NO}{MAD}
    2D: THE MUNCHIES*
    3D: P[T] AMPHLETS (~Amphlett’s)
    4D {PER SE} {PHONE}
    5D ROME (~roam)
    6D ROWER [DD]
    7D: BAR ON(-on)
    8D DESPERATE*
    13D YELLOW FEVER*
    14D CONVENTION [DD]
    15D MEGABUCKS (beggar mucks) [SP]
    17D HAM{BURG}ER
    21D CRUSH [DD]
    23D DELTA [CD]
    24D P[T] {ASH}
    26D LAY [DD]

    Here are the abbreviations from Hindu Crossword Corner again:
    * Underlined words – Links to websites
    * Additions – (+)
    * Deletions – (-)
    * Reverse 
    * Hidden/telescopic clues [T]
    * Homonyms – FLEE (~flea)
    * Embedded construction – S{CREW}Y
    * Charades – POT ASH (this is an example)
    * Double Definitions – [2] or [DD]
    * Cryptic Definitions – [CD]
    * Anagram – *
    and I have added Spoonerism [SP]

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