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	<description>&#34;A force for good&#34;, David Astle (DA)</description>
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		<title>By: RB</title>
		<link>http://datrippers.com/2009/03/31/an-as-cryptic-from-jakarta/#comment-788</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 06:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>6A: You have made out a persuasive case in support of your clue. I feel a bit better about it now. (I&#039;ve always used contd or cont&#039;d as an abbreviation, but I see cont is acceptable).

14A: Ah yes, IBM. I didn&#039;t like that film at the time - I didn&#039;t understand it - I saw it again on SBS a few months ago - I thought that a few decades of accumulation of life&#039;s wisdom might help me to appreciate it more - but I was wrong!

25A: Yes it does! Bit that was the easy bit. The worst part is writing out the clues (but at least I only had to write out those clues I hadn&#039;t already solved in my head).

14D: You make a good point about back, retreat, front etc. Like you, I&#039;ll be paying special attention in future to these indicators to see how/whether they are applied to down clues. A quick survey (a couple of crosswords) suggests that words like up and on are used for down clues. I suppose if you think about Arabic being from right to left then it&#039;s inappropriate for a down clue, but if you think of it as being in the reverse order, then it&#039;s OK. I suppose we really need to know how an Arabic word would be written vertically. I suspect it would be top to bottom, in which case my objection would still stand...........I think...............my brain is starting to hurt!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>6A: You have made out a persuasive case in support of your clue. I feel a bit better about it now. (I&#8217;ve always used contd or cont&#8217;d as an abbreviation, but I see cont is acceptable).</p>
<p>14A: Ah yes, IBM. I didn&#8217;t like that film at the time &#8211; I didn&#8217;t understand it &#8211; I saw it again on SBS a few months ago &#8211; I thought that a few decades of accumulation of life&#8217;s wisdom might help me to appreciate it more &#8211; but I was wrong!</p>
<p>25A: Yes it does! Bit that was the easy bit. The worst part is writing out the clues (but at least I only had to write out those clues I hadn&#8217;t already solved in my head).</p>
<p>14D: You make a good point about back, retreat, front etc. Like you, I&#8217;ll be paying special attention in future to these indicators to see how/whether they are applied to down clues. A quick survey (a couple of crosswords) suggests that words like up and on are used for down clues. I suppose if you think about Arabic being from right to left then it&#8217;s inappropriate for a down clue, but if you think of it as being in the reverse order, then it&#8217;s OK. I suppose we really need to know how an Arabic word would be written vertically. I suspect it would be top to bottom, in which case my objection would still stand&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..I think&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;my brain is starting to hurt!</p>
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		<title>By: AS</title>
		<link>http://datrippers.com/2009/03/31/an-as-cryptic-from-jakarta/#comment-786</link>
		<dc:creator>AS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 03:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>11A: The Cruel Sea were making the rounds when I was in high school. They&#039;re forever etched into my musical memory.

6A: &lt;em&gt;cont&lt;/em&gt; is a standard abbreviation for &lt;em&gt;continued&lt;/em&gt;, so &lt;em&gt;discontinued&lt;/em&gt; I thought was a good way of removing those letters. 

I also deliberately used &lt;em&gt;contempt&lt;/em&gt; so as to confuse. Sure, it&#039;s a little ugly, but I figured that the natural tendency, when seeing the letters of &lt;em&gt;cont&lt;/em&gt; lined up all in a row like that, is to extract those first four letters from &lt;em&gt;contempt&lt;/em&gt; even though that is not the only option.

14A: I was inspired by the reasoning behind the computer name HAL in 2001, although no one is entirely sure if the story is entirely true.

25A: Does that mean you wrote out the crossword grid on paper as well?

14D: I never consider the direction of the clue in the grid to matter. If you do think it matters, doesn&#039;t that also make instructions like &lt;em&gt;back&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;retreat&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;front&lt;/em&gt; etc. problematic? Or are those kinds of instructions only ever used on across clues and I haven&#039;t noticed the whole time?

And with the &lt;em&gt;vin&lt;/em&gt;, I just wanted to be clever by using a cryptic instruction not before used. What should happen is that after years of practice the master begins to experiment. On this occasion, the neophyte jumped the gun, although I thought it was alright, and I like Basil Fawlty. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>11A: The Cruel Sea were making the rounds when I was in high school. They&#8217;re forever etched into my musical memory.</p>
<p>6A: <em>cont</em> is a standard abbreviation for <em>continued</em>, so <em>discontinued</em> I thought was a good way of removing those letters. </p>
<p>I also deliberately used <em>contempt</em> so as to confuse. Sure, it&#8217;s a little ugly, but I figured that the natural tendency, when seeing the letters of <em>cont</em> lined up all in a row like that, is to extract those first four letters from <em>contempt</em> even though that is not the only option.</p>
<p>14A: I was inspired by the reasoning behind the computer name HAL in 2001, although no one is entirely sure if the story is entirely true.</p>
<p>25A: Does that mean you wrote out the crossword grid on paper as well?</p>
<p>14D: I never consider the direction of the clue in the grid to matter. If you do think it matters, doesn&#8217;t that also make instructions like <em>back</em>, <em>retreat</em>, <em>front</em> etc. problematic? Or are those kinds of instructions only ever used on across clues and I haven&#8217;t noticed the whole time?</p>
<p>And with the <em>vin</em>, I just wanted to be clever by using a cryptic instruction not before used. What should happen is that after years of practice the master begins to experiment. On this occasion, the neophyte jumped the gun, although I thought it was alright, and I like Basil Fawlty.</p>
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		<title>By: RB</title>
		<link>http://datrippers.com/2009/03/31/an-as-cryptic-from-jakarta/#comment-785</link>
		<dc:creator>RB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 15:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>11A: I was hung up on the novel by Nicholas Monsarrat (not that I&#039;ve read it). I didn&#039;t know about the Aussie rock band - I should have googled it earlier.

6A: I don&#039;t like the use of discontinued to indicate the removal of &quot;cont&quot;. Surely that should be &quot;dis-cont-ed&quot; (pity it&#039;s not a real word), not &quot;discontinued&quot;. And it&#039;s especially ugly when the &quot;cont&quot; being removed is not the first 4 letters, but the first 3 letters and the last one.

14A: Pshaw! This is certainly a novel way of using &quot;retreat&quot;. I hope DA&#039;s not reading this!

25A: My mistake. I wrote down the clues manually (I don&#039;t have a printer) and omitted the word &quot;front&quot;. Silly me!

14D: I knew Arabic was right to left. Didn&#039;t know about Hebrew though. I thought it might be &quot;eel&quot;, &quot;ram&quot;, and &quot;vin&quot;. I&#039;d accept this clue better if it were an across clue. For it to work as a down clue, wouldn&#039;t Arabic and Hebrew have to read from bottom to top? And &quot;German win&quot; = &quot;vin&quot; sounds a bit Basil Fawltyish. How about French wine? Too easy, maybe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>11A: I was hung up on the novel by Nicholas Monsarrat (not that I&#8217;ve read it). I didn&#8217;t know about the Aussie rock band &#8211; I should have googled it earlier.</p>
<p>6A: I don&#8217;t like the use of discontinued to indicate the removal of &#8220;cont&#8221;. Surely that should be &#8220;dis-cont-ed&#8221; (pity it&#8217;s not a real word), not &#8220;discontinued&#8221;. And it&#8217;s especially ugly when the &#8220;cont&#8221; being removed is not the first 4 letters, but the first 3 letters and the last one.</p>
<p>14A: Pshaw! This is certainly a novel way of using &#8220;retreat&#8221;. I hope DA&#8217;s not reading this!</p>
<p>25A: My mistake. I wrote down the clues manually (I don&#8217;t have a printer) and omitted the word &#8220;front&#8221;. Silly me!</p>
<p>14D: I knew Arabic was right to left. Didn&#8217;t know about Hebrew though. I thought it might be &#8220;eel&#8221;, &#8220;ram&#8221;, and &#8220;vin&#8221;. I&#8217;d accept this clue better if it were an across clue. For it to work as a down clue, wouldn&#8217;t Arabic and Hebrew have to read from bottom to top? And &#8220;German win&#8221; = &#8220;vin&#8221; sounds a bit Basil Fawltyish. How about French wine? Too easy, maybe.</p>
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		<title>By: AS</title>
		<link>http://datrippers.com/2009/03/31/an-as-cryptic-from-jakarta/#comment-784</link>
		<dc:creator>AS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 03:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, 11A is THE CRUEL SEA, with the = the, nasty = cruel and red = sea (the red sea) and their famous song was the honeymoon is over.

6A: &lt;em&gt;discontinued contempt&lt;/em&gt; is &lt;em&gt;contempt&lt;/em&gt; without &lt;em&gt;cont&lt;/em&gt;, although that refers to the first three letters and the last letter of the word, which gives &lt;em&gt;temp&lt;/em&gt;.

14A: &lt;em&gt;Male odd retreat&lt;/em&gt; means take the odd letters from the word &lt;em&gt;male&lt;/em&gt; and make them go backwards in alphabetical order, which gives &lt;em&gt;lake&lt;/em&gt;.

25A: Yep, &lt;em&gt;seventh from the front&lt;/em&gt; = &lt;em&gt;g row&lt;/em&gt;.

14D: Written Arabic and Hebrew reads from right to left, so &lt;em&gt;sea snake = eel&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;butter = ram&lt;/em&gt; (a DA special), then from right to left that&#039;s &lt;em&gt;lee mar&lt;/em&gt;.

&lt;em&gt;German win&lt;/em&gt; is &lt;em&gt;win&lt;/em&gt; with a German accent, which is &lt;em&gt;vin&lt;/em&gt;.

I think you might be the only person to have given it a go. Thanks for giving it a crack, and don&#039;t worry, I&#039;m under no illusions about my abilities. 

I made another one quite a few months ago now. I think that one had a couple of funny clues, although it had quite a few more tortured ones as well. Anyway, if you want to have a crack at that one, it&#039;s at http://anagrammatically.com/cryptic/2008/11/02/a-delayed-report-and-a-substitute/

On the earlier crossword, there was a slight mistake on 28 across. On this crossword, though, I don&#039;t see a mistake: &lt;em&gt;ensconced&lt;/em&gt; is spelt &lt;em&gt;ensconced&lt;/em&gt;. Well, it is now -- thanks for the tip off!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, 11A is THE CRUEL SEA, with the = the, nasty = cruel and red = sea (the red sea) and their famous song was the honeymoon is over.</p>
<p>6A: <em>discontinued contempt</em> is <em>contempt</em> without <em>cont</em>, although that refers to the first three letters and the last letter of the word, which gives <em>temp</em>.</p>
<p>14A: <em>Male odd retreat</em> means take the odd letters from the word <em>male</em> and make them go backwards in alphabetical order, which gives <em>lake</em>.</p>
<p>25A: Yep, <em>seventh from the front</em> = <em>g row</em>.</p>
<p>14D: Written Arabic and Hebrew reads from right to left, so <em>sea snake = eel</em> and <em>butter = ram</em> (a DA special), then from right to left that&#8217;s <em>lee mar</em>.</p>
<p><em>German win</em> is <em>win</em> with a German accent, which is <em>vin</em>.</p>
<p>I think you might be the only person to have given it a go. Thanks for giving it a crack, and don&#8217;t worry, I&#8217;m under no illusions about my abilities. </p>
<p>I made another one quite a few months ago now. I think that one had a couple of funny clues, although it had quite a few more tortured ones as well. Anyway, if you want to have a crack at that one, it&#8217;s at <a href="http://anagrammatically.com/cryptic/2008/11/02/a-delayed-report-and-a-substitute/" rel="nofollow">http://anagrammatically.com/cryptic/2008/11/02/a-delayed-report-and-a-substitute/</a></p>
<p>On the earlier crossword, there was a slight mistake on 28 across. On this crossword, though, I don&#8217;t see a mistake: <em>ensconced</em> is spelt <em>ensconced</em>. Well, it is now &#8212; thanks for the tip off!</p>
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		<title>By: RB</title>
		<link>http://datrippers.com/2009/03/31/an-as-cryptic-from-jakarta/#comment-783</link>
		<dc:creator>RB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 03:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I the only one to have tried this? Not quite up to DA&#039;s standard so don&#039;t give up your day job, just yet, AS! Several clues were tortured or dodgy, but I did like 1D (125 - 2.718). And I suppose just to create a crossword of any sort is quite an accomplishment. Note re 7D clue - correct spelling is ensconced, I believe. 

Only one I couldn&#039;t get was 11A: it&#039;s not THE CRUEL SEA, is it? Why?

I couldn&#039;t fully explain 6A (discontinued contempt = TEMP?), 14A (male odd retreat = LAKE?), 25A (seventh = G ROW?), and 14D (Huh?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one to have tried this? Not quite up to DA&#8217;s standard so don&#8217;t give up your day job, just yet, AS! Several clues were tortured or dodgy, but I did like 1D (125 &#8211; 2.718). And I suppose just to create a crossword of any sort is quite an accomplishment. Note re 7D clue &#8211; correct spelling is ensconced, I believe. </p>
<p>Only one I couldn&#8217;t get was 11A: it&#8217;s not THE CRUEL SEA, is it? Why?</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t fully explain 6A (discontinued contempt = TEMP?), 14A (male odd retreat = LAKE?), 25A (seventh = G ROW?), and 14D (Huh?).</p>
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